Kimimaro vs Hidan

[PT1990]

Proof and KG rekt this thread. People tyring to argue that Asuma was good at cqc lol

Trying to argue? Its a manga fact, there is nothing to argue about.

 

[Sithis]

They didnt rekt crap. All they did was mention Kimmi's bones being able to block with bones in all directions without factoring

1. Kimmi protection have gaps.
2. Hidan's weapons design can go in between the gaps from the bones and gain blood

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Why are you desperatley clinging to this assumption of yours. He isnt getting past the bones, no scythe is gonna bypass a micrscopic gap in the bones ffs. Kimi just has to defend the contact points which we have seen him do countles times.

Lol @Bold:

- Faced Kisame in CQC via legendary swords men.
- Guy asked him to say with him to face Itachi and Kisame
- Kicked multiple chunins/jonions ass all at once (When Kakashi and Guy were doing that 1-2 at a time)
- Twelve Guardian Ninja base on his forte

Simple caution. Why risk injury when you know you are fighting a strong oponent? No way in hell would Asuma be able to beat Kisame thats pretty ****ing obvious. Also i truly hope you don't believe asuma > gai in cqc if you do then we're done here.

Pls dont make me list all of gais and kakashis taijutsu feats that absolutley dwarf your list.

Which is all backed up by Kishimoto stated being the best

Desperate so desperate. Kishimoto contradicts this exact statement in the manga.

While Base Guy was struggling against 30% Kisame in CQC (and needed to go gates), while 100% Kisame stop C@C against Asuma resulted in using ninjutsu to stop him. Foh.

Lol unless you are saying that Kisame went full out against Asuma then that statement is retarded. Any fool will knows that Gai is the best taijutsu fighter in konoha. Also supported by actual feats.

lol nobody rekt shit. They straight hauled ass out of the thread.

Nah they got bored stating the same thing over and over again.

All your weak points were countered.

Trying to argue? Its a manga fact, there is nothing to argue about.

Selective quoting much. The fact that feats contradict that DB statememtn already makes it useless.

 

[ToshiZO]

Except no one countered my points. In fact he posted after me and didn't even want to reply to me, I literally got avoided. Then Asuma was being clowned, 3 different people proved how Asuma is an expert in CQC, and the thread was basically put to bed.

Nice try though.

 

[Zexion~]

It never broke through his bone shield...?



to slice things... like an empty sleeve?


No

-There are clear places where he's bleeding from Gaara's sand coffin

-I'm not saying how strong it is, i'm merely saying the under-blade is sharp enough to slice

 

[Curse Mark]

-There are clear places where he's bleeding from Gaara's sand coffin

-I'm not saying how strong it is, i'm merely saying the under-blade is sharp enough to slice

There are clear places where his skin was removed and you can see the bone masks underneath. It never broke them.

 

[Sithis]

Except no one countered my points. In fact he posted after me and didn't even want to reply to me, I literally got avoided. Then Asuma was being clowned, 3 different people proved how Asuma is an expert in CQC, and the thread was basically put to bed.

Nice try though.

Very well, I'll counter your points in a bit. My bad on that one.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

.Why are you desperatley clinging to this assumption of yours. He isnt getting past the bones, no scythe is gonna bypass a micrscopic gap in the bones ffs. Kimi just has to defend the contact points which we have seen him do countles times.

Only one making assumptions is you claiming the gaps are small for the scythe to bypass.

Are the bones fat enough[

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] to block/clog the scythe from reaching skin? Nope not when each scythe's blade has the gap enough to fit a whole human arm[

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]. And linke 1 clearly shows the bones are not wider then Kimmi's arms. Anyone using their brains would know that a bigger space can loop over a smaller area space.

Simple caution. Why risk injury when you know you are fighting a strong oponent? No way in hell would Asuma be able to beat Kisame thats pretty ****ing obvious. Also i truly hope you don't believe asuma > gai in cqc if you do then we're done here.

If you think Asuma is a strong opponent then there no need for you and anyone else trying to downplay Hidan's CQC skills. Obviously Kisame is the superior character, doesnt change my point that Kisame no longer wanted to face Asuma in CQC match. Thats feats people try to downplay Asuma to make Hidan look weak in Close quarters.

@Bold not my fault all you have done was deny/downplay feats. Yet alone ignore Kismoto's statement. And Im sure Kishimoto was excluding Gates from Guy for him to make that Statement for Asuma. As he was considering base forms not and power up forms.

Pls dont make me list all of gais and kakashis taijutsu feats that absolutley dwarf your list.

There's nothing you can show me to what Asuma can't do either in CQC skills. So dont bother showing scans War Arc.

Desperate so desperate. Kishimoto contradicts this exact statement in the manga.

Or maybe your taking it out of context? Ever thought of that instead of trying to tell the author is wrong? Obviously Gated Guy is superior then Asuma. So that statement follows Asuma's feats, considering everyone's base form.

Lol unless you are saying that Kisame went full out against Asuma then that statement is retarded. Any fool will knows that Gai is the best taijutsu fighter in konoha. Also supported by actual feats.

Nope that statement shows Asuma advantage in a close arms battle, dont try to twist mine or Kishimoto's words.

 

[PT1990]

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Selective quoting much. The fact that feats contradict that DB statememtn already makes it useless.

I wasnt even talking about DB, I was talking about Asumas Taijutsu feats from manga.

 

[Zexion~]

There are clear places where his skin was removed and you can see the bone masks underneath. It never broke them.

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Blood wouldn't flow like that if it were being blocked by a bone shield.... Not to mention the part on his mouth doesn't seem like its covered. Maybe it spawned a little late in some spots but if the bones were there the skin would not have been affected like that as the bone supports it from the pressure.

 

[Curse Mark]

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Blood wouldn't flow like that if it were being blocked by a bone shield.... Not to mention the part on his mouth doesn't seem like its covered. Maybe it spawned a little late in some spots but if the bones were there the skin would not have been affected like that as the bone supports it from the pressure.

The bone is under the skin man. It's like if you took a bowling ball and dipped it in water and froze it. The thin outside layer could be broken but the hard inside layer is still in tact. The only place in that scan where there's a hole in his skin and you can't see a bone mask under it is his mouth(you're right about that).
But is Hidan going to spear him in the tongue?

 

[Zexion~]

The bone is under the skin man. It's like if you took a bowling ball and dipped it in water and froze it. The thin outside layer could be broken but the hard inside layer is still in tact. The only place in that scan where there's a hole in his skin and you can't see a bone mask under it is his mouth(you're right about that).
But is Hidan going to spear him in the tongue?

No but he could swing a scythe at his face and if the point hits that area blood will appear, and thats not the point im trying to make bro, you can't compare ice with skin first off, if you applied pressure to skin like gaara did it shouldn't have holes in it at all with the bone shield keeping it sturdy, hence why he didn't turn into mush but in some places the strength of the bone was clearly not as strong if the skin did not survive the impact.

 

[EZQ]

Just to give people here an example of what Im talking about. All these jounin got to Neji before he could strike Hinata who was literally right in front of him.

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People some times ignore the diference that exists on Jonnin Base skills and Gennin base skills.

Tho i do agree that kimimaro is > Hidan in CQC, but, Hidan is like drunken lee, he's unorthodox when he fights. If this is IC Kimmimaro can take a surprise and actually lose some blood.

Kimimaro's striking speed and reflexes > Hidan's, but at the same time, Hidan's sunshin >> Kimmimaro, who was a lot slower than Lee without weights, while Hidan should be closer to that speed.

In my opinion, Hidan can dodge any attempt of decapitation simply by dodging with his superior speed, but he's never going to draw some blood from Kimmimaro unless there's no knowledge and they're IC.

The matchup is more balanced than what you people are portraying. I'm leaning towards Kimimaro obviously.

EDIT: No knowledge damn. Then if they're IC Hidan definitely wins.

 

[Lord Tywin]

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Blood wouldn't flow like that if it were being blocked by a bone shield.... Not to mention the part on his mouth doesn't seem like its covered. Maybe it spawned a little late in some spots but if the bones were there the skin would not have been affected like that as the bone supports it from the pressure.

This scan shows Kimimaro making his bone later under his skin layers, so Hidan's weapon can draw blood.

 

[Zexion~]

This scan shows Kimimaro making his bone later under his skin layers, so Hidan's weapon can draw blood.

Yeah this is true :lol either way blood is viable to gain.

 

[EZQ]

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[Curse Mark]

No but he could swing a scythe at his face and if the point hits that area blood will appear, and thats not the point im trying to make bro, you can't compare ice with skin first off, if you applied pressure to skin like gaara did it shouldn't have holes in it at all with the bone shield keeping it sturdy, hence why he didn't turn into mush but in some places the strength of the bone was clearly not as strong if the skin did not survive the impact.

Dude... You can get blood from the skin, clearly. The durability of the skin has nothing to do with the durability of the bone masks, end of story. If the bone masks were broken through, his body would have been crushed like every other successful sand coffin ever.

 

[Sithis]

Only one making assumptions is you claiming the gaps are small for the scythe to bypass.

Are the bones fat enough[

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] to block/clog the scythe from reaching skin? Nope not when each scythe's blade has the gap enough to fit a whole human arm[

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]. And linke 1 clearly shows the bones are not wider then Kimmi's arms. Anyone using their brains would know that a bigger space can loop over a smaller area space.

Except Kimi can use any bone to protrude into a 4 foot spike (?), Proof already stated this. hence The scythe won't bypass those bones. And like I said, he only has to protrude them at the contact point.

The scan you showed does not really do much. He stopped the kick and thats that.

If you think Asuma is a strong opponent then there no need for you and anyone else trying to downplay Hidan's CQC skills. Obviously Kisame is the superior character, doesnt change my point that Kisame no longer wanted to face Asuma in CQC match. Thats feats people try to downplay Asuma to make Hidan look weak in Close quarters.

I'm not downplaying anything. I'm saying that by simple feats Gai and Lee are better cqc fighters than Asuma even in base. Considering that Kakashi and Gai are rivals and Gai was able to fight Kakashi with precog. Kakashi was able to fight Hidan who rekt Asuma. ABC logic here but it works.

Gai using gates to fight Kisame just proves that he did not want to risk fighting him in base. Asuma does not have gates so he had no choice...

@Bold not my fault all you have done was deny/downplay feats. Yet alone ignore Kismoto's statement. And Im sure Kishimoto was excluding Gates from Guy for him to make that Statement for Asuma. As he was considering base forms not and power up forms.

@red: thats and assumption that neither of us can proove. Only thing is that Gated guy > Asuma.

Besides Kishimoto saying that he is the best cqc fighter contradicts feats, since Kakashi is better with his sharingan.

There's nothing you can show me to what Asuma can't do either in CQC skills. So dont bother showing scans War Arc

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Hmm what? point is Gai's cqc feats > Asuma's

Or maybe your taking it out of context? Ever thought of that instead of trying to tell the author is wrong? Obviously Gated Guy is superior then Asuma. So that statement follows Asuma's feats, considering everyone's base form.

Addressed above

Nope that statement shows Asuma advantage in a close arms battle, dont try to twist mine or Kishimoto's words.

Your point here rests on a DB statement that is not even supported by feats. Only thing is that you assume that he is talking about base forms.

Unless you can prove that somehow Asuma is better than drunken Lee or 1000 Kyuubi powered Naruto clones, then by feats Kimi in cqc > Hidan

Hidan's scythe wont bypass the bones protruding since he can literally cover his entire body with them. Only way is if the scythe was tiny.

 

[Sithis]

Kimimaro literally has no chance here.

His main source of offense Hidan inflicts on himself for shits and giggles.

And his defense is rendered useless, Kimimaro drips blood...everything is bypassed.

Everything that makes Kimi relevant just gets shit on in this matchup.

The only thing in this mess of an argument is this assumption that his disease will kick in before Hidan is skewered

Was referring to him coughing up shit tons of blood...for some reason that made me think he bled earlier but I dont recall exactly where.

Anyways Hidan would draw blood regardless sooner or later. Kimimaro is not hurting Hidan with anything...neither is he fast enough or skilled enough to decapitate him...Hidan is arguably better at CQC.

Considering that he won't be coughing blood from the start and the fact that there is no way that scythe will bypass protruding bones, I don't see how Hidan will "draw blood regardless sooner or later"

Hidan gets a hold of Kimis blood before Kimimaro does something even remotely threatening to Hidans life.

Yet another useless assumption not backed by much.

Lol those are garbage feats. Pressuring Part 2 Kakashi is many times more impressive than that nonsense. Fodder Jonins were giving trouble to characters on that speed tier...heck Neji who stood out as being quite fast was slow af compared to any Jounin.

Kakashi had to watch out for Kakuzu and fodder chunnin.

Lol do you not know what power creep is??

What looked impressive back then is as impressive as a fodder Jounin tier taking a shit.

And you expect people to take you seriously? Proof's scan was pretty legit showing Neji's speed feats. Hidan has yet to do the same.

Those kiddies would get outright blitzed by any akatsuki member.

Another useless statement not backed by much.

Just to give people here an example of what Im talking about. All these jounin got to Neji before he could strike Hinata who was literally right in front of him.

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Neji was fighting Hinata, and Hinata only. He was not even bothering to fight the Jonin. I don't see the point of this scan. If he was fighting each jonin 1v1 and they could blitz him like that, then we could talk. Otherwise this scan doesn't downplay the one Proof posted earlier.

And whats this nonsense on Hidan not being able to pinpoint where he aims his scythe. The scythe was like an extenstion of his body, he had absolute control where he wanted that thing to go.

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everything thrown at him and counter attacks Asuma almost simultaneously.

I agree that Hidan can control the scythe, but he won't be able to damage Kimi. Check above

Also for those who think he didn't choose exactly where he wanted his scythe to hit, he threw the weapon which Asuma deflected and he was blinded due to that, he had the scythe come in from the

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because his visibility from that angle was low. Need I remind you he did this all while dodging

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? It was all orchestrated... he will pinpoint where he wants to land it and he will eventually draw blood.

Asuma feats =/= Kimi though...

Fighting drunken Lee and 1000 Naruto clones is much more impressive than this.

Oh but Kimimaro rapes Hidan in CQC right?......

Not rape but yeah he is better.

Heck he even has the option of taking a hit to draw blood in return, its not like he has any reason to be afraid of Kimimaros attacks. Hidan has some sort of instant regen where breaking bones and stab wounds do nothing to hinder his mobility in any shape or form.

This is the only chance I see Hidan getting blood. Although I doubt Kimi would just stand there. He could also block Hidan's attack with his bones.

But for Hidan to actually do damage he would have to draw his circle.

lol nobody rekt shit. They straight hauled ass out of the thread.

There you go. Responded to most of your points.

 

[Curse Mark]

If Hidan begins to draw ritual circle => Bone forest and it destroys the ground and/or forces him to step out.
Also, he not only was able to block Lee's kick he was able to catch it. Hidan doesn't have the strength feats to pull his scythe and kimimaro back, especially if he uses bones to anchor himself into the ground.

 

[ToshiZO]

The only thing in this mess of an argument is this assumption that his disease will kick in before Hidan is skewered



Considering that he won't be coughing blood from the start and the fact that there is no way that scythe will bypass protruding bones, I don't see how Hidan will "draw blood regardless sooner or later"

Why would the scythe not be able to draw blood from his skin?

Yet another useless assumption not backed by much.

Not backed by much? Lol do you know who Hidan is?

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Remind me again what Kimimaro does to even remotely threaten Hidan. The guy gets off on attacks Kimimaro uses.

Kakashi had to watch out for Kakuzu and fodder chunnin.

Remind me what that had anything to do with Hidan and Kakashi's cqc battle?

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, sure Kakashi is initially on the defensive.
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as they go around the tree
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Mind you this is

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, his preferred style of fighting.

And you expect people to take you seriously? Proof's scan was pretty legit showing Neji's speed feats. Hidan has yet to do the same.

Once again I'll tell you what I told him. Don't expect me to take you seriously in a vs section if you are not aware of what power creep is.

Another example of the difference in speed between those genin and a Jonin.

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Neji was fighting Hinata, and Hinata only. He was not even bothering to fight the Jonin. I don't see the point of this scan. If he was fighting each jonin 1v1 and they could blitz him like that, then we could talk. Otherwise this scan doesn't downplay the one Proof posted earlier.

Nope horrible excuse, he had full intention to hit her and regardless of who he was bothering to fight, they weren't even close to him. The fact remains that he had to strike an opponent right infont of him while the rest of them were spectating meters away from the crowd, not letting you dance around this point.

Something that seems impressive for those genin is nothing really all that impressive, for example

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Like I said you need to know what power creep is.

I agree that Hidan can control the scyther, but he won't be able to damage Kimi. Check above

Asuma feats =/= Kimi though...

Fighting drunken Lee and 1000 Naruto clones is much more impressive than this.

No....it really isn't.

This is the only chance I see Hidan getting blood. Although I doubt Kimi would just stand there. He could also block Hidan's attack with his bones.

But for Hidan to actually do damage he would have to draw his circle.

What do you mean Kimi would just stand there? Hidan would tank Kimi's hit hold him there and strike him. Not to mention,

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So all we have in this battle is Kimimaro who's attacks are ineffective against Hidan. And he's certainly not overwhelming enough to dismember Hidan which is the only way to immobilize him..... Vs Hidan who eventually draws Kimi's blood. And its over.

If Hidan begins to draw ritual circle => Bone forest and it destroys the ground and/or forces him to step out.
Also, he not only was able to block Lee's kick he was able to catch it. Hidan doesn't have the strength feats to pull his scythe and kimimaro back, especially if he uses bones to anchor himself into the ground.

How would Kimi even know what that ritual means? Lol its just a bunch of blood on the ground. Thats definitely not happening. And there is no reason for Hidan to step out since his attacks aren't doing anything to Hidan in the slightest.