[VS] Post Gamma Knife Doflamingo vs Ace
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Doflamingo high-diff.
Ace didn't show any Haki feats.
EDIT: woopsies, I thought this was pre-gama knife.
Ace didn't show any Haki feats.
EDIT: woopsies, I thought this was pre-gama knife.
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Ace miight have a chance at winning this. Depends on Doflamingo's mindset, is he gonna be cocky like he was against Luffy or is he gonna take Ace for what he is? 2nd division commander of the Whitebeard pirates, I'd say he'd take Ace more seriously than Law and Luffy, thus Ace's chances are slimmer.
I wish we get to see more of Ace. But he's definitely on Luffy's level, no lower. He has his chances just like Luffy did, but Id favour Doflamingo because Luffy couldn't even pull it off without extra help from coliseum fodder. Ace has more firepower than Luffy though minus G4 for sure and even with G4 its arguable, DC wise I'd still favour Ace, and it won't take take a toll on him like it does Luffy to keep a mode activated to stay relevant against Doflamingo. This one definitely goes decently far, with Doflamingo taking it at the end with superior Haki, and just the superior fighting prowess imo.
I wish we get to see more of Ace. But he's definitely on Luffy's level, no lower. He has his chances just like Luffy did, but Id favour Doflamingo because Luffy couldn't even pull it off without extra help from coliseum fodder. Ace has more firepower than Luffy though minus G4 for sure and even with G4 its arguable, DC wise I'd still favour Ace, and it won't take take a toll on him like it does Luffy to keep a mode activated to stay relevant against Doflamingo. This one definitely goes decently far, with Doflamingo taking it at the end with superior Haki, and just the superior fighting prowess imo.
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I see Luffy as stronger than Ace, so Doflamingo high diff. Even after taking Gamma Knife, he was able to blitz Luffy once and still throw attacks that could hurt him. I don't see Ace winning, especially since he mostly likely lacks Busoshoku.
Doflamingo still wins mid-high diff, G4 outclasses Ace in every way, no way Is he doing better than Luffy. Especially when Luffy was able to bruise an on guard Fuji with an elephant Gun, also took a slash from Fuji and a ferocious tiger from close range with no damage. Ace on the other hand nearly got his neck broken from a generic punch from Blackbeard. Their is nothing debatable about this match up, Luffy needed to use G4 twice to put DD down. Ace has good firepower but bruising an Admiral with a EG beats anything Aces has done, G4 is going to do even more.
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It makes perfect sense why Ferocious Tiger did not injure Luffy since it's blunt force, which Luffy's body is immune to. Give Ace credit. Teach is no weakling. He withstood attacks from Sengoku and Whitebeard with no significantly hindering damage. Ace, while starved and imprisoned for days in a cell with Seastone draining his strength and no real medical treatment from near-death injuries could deflect an attack from Aokiji and avoid him.
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Lmao so I guess Ace beats Luffy at mid diff or lower since Post GK Doflamingo is slightly stronger than Luffy.
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Post GF Doffy vs G4 Luffy=dead Luffy. Post GF Doffy was much weaker and had slower reaction time, and could still blitz Luffy.
Lordy Luffy was only in danger of dying when his haki ran out aka he was in base........Also this blitz thing is a fan fic, Luffy looks directly at him before Doffy attacks him. Doffy actually loses sight of Luffy.
I consider DD and Yami Teach to be around the same level and Ace pushed Yami Teach to high difficulty despite being a bad match-up(though Yami Teach is more reckless). Against Post-Gamma knife DD, it could go either way
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It doesn't matter. Luffy might have greater power, but he lacks the power to beat Doflamingo. Doflamingo's GK-damaged endurance places him above Luffy because while Luffy might hit harder than Doffy, Doffy can actually defeat Luffy 1 vs 1, and Luffy cannot do the same to him.
No it's not. Doffy was able to dodge Luffy's attack and circle around his entire body in an arc before Luffy's body could move out of the position it entered when he threw the punch, which is especially notable when you realize that in Gears that focus on speed like Gear 2 and Gear 4, his attacks are thrown, hit and snap back so fast it looks like his arm never stretched forward in the first place. Luffy didn't notice Doffy until Doffy stopped moving, and when Doffy delivered the kick, Luffy had an exclamation mark bubble next to him, indicating that he was caught off-guard and surprised by some aspect of the attack. It's not the power or damage, since he knew, and boasted, about the fact that the kick would just bounce off. The only other aspect is the speed of Doffy delivering the kick, meaning, he was blitzed.
He doesn't lack the power to put down Doffy, if Luffy had perma G4 he would put down Doffy it would simply take longer than it did in the manga. Doffy couldn't not significantly harm G4 Luffy at all, Luffy wins in a one on one if his G4 doesn't run out.
Luffy tracked him the whole way, Luffy not being able to tag Doffy in that case is simply for one reason, better mobility in the air. Doflamingo can basically fly he has the greatest mobility in the air we've seen, how did Luffy only spot him when stopped moving as I said Doffy mobility is much greater mid air. Gear 4 attacks don't work in the sense that his arm doesn't snap back immediately. Luffy probably was surprised by the speed of the attack but again there's not much he could do due to his mobility in air compared to Mingo's, Luffy did not get blitzed he could track everything Mingo was doing.
He never blitzed Luffy, he countered one attack and followed up with his own. Luffy threw a predictable punch at Doffy, that was meant to be blocked, the attack acted as a set up or diversion for the real one which redirected and hit Mingo.
Regardless I don't see how blocking one attack is suppose to mean a full health Mingo can block all of them. I could say this same thing to G2 Luffy who outmaneuvered most of Doflamingos attacks, dodged his awakening, only ever really got hit when he was distracted ex: Kyros, worried about Law etc. Only difference is that G4 was never even harmed and was only hit once by Doffy, his awakening never touched him, only time Mingo landed a hit was when G4 had to retract. Any other time Doffy got blitzed not the other way around, he failed to outright tag G4, or stop him dead in his tracks.
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And if Doflamingo had strings made of seastone, he'd merk Luffy. This game isn't viable in debates. Luffy doesn't have permanent G4, so he loses.
No he didn't. If Luffy had tracked him the whole way, Luffy would have been able to turn his head and actually follow his movement, rather than only turning to him after he had dodged. The speed of the attack caught Luffy by surprise, hence the blitz.
How can you say Luffy wasn't tracking him the whole way when you couldn't even see his face? He was looking right at Mingo before he was kicked indicating he knew where he was the whole time, he can follow with his eyes or his CoO, he didn't need to turn his head. The exclamation mark could mean many things, for all you know, Luffy could have thought the attack was going to hurt hence the mark.
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How does that indicate he knew where he was the whole time? It could just mean he was unable to track him, and only could when he stopped.
Luffy's COO is severely lacking. He couldn't even tell the dragon on Punk Hazard was about to smack him with its tail.
Why would Luffy think the attack was going to hurt when he knows it wouldn't work because of his body still being rubbery?
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Ace would lose maybe high diff. And yeah Mingo was completely helpless against G4 Luffy. Luffy only got in 4 hits and Mingo was already done, he bought himself 30 minutes with awakening keeping Luffy away from him with those strings. Infact he was already done after Culverin, the only reason he could stand back up was because of awakening which made him recover.