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oh look its aim64c's alt spewing bullshit now
just another normal day in narutobase "general (dumb) discussion"
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just another normal day in narutobase "general (dumb) discussion"
Oh look it's an agent.
BTW I'm not alternative I'm basic.
I agree with Aim64C about Farrakhan's march although, as the thread progressed, I don't agree with how helpless Aim64C makes it sound. I think we can still reach people.
It's the same reason I originally got in the thread. The OP has given up like it's too late and give us land or else. Aim64C is right about this guy - he's calling for way for than "justice"
Well maybe you dont understand the horrors of slavery because you dont know them. Let me explain.
Slavery played a huge role in the creation of capitalism. Slavery was a necessity for capitalism because capitalism requires free labor. To understand the tragedies of slavery, you have to understand the economics of it. Many capitalists financed the slave trade. How many slave ships needed to be purchased? How many tools used to control slaves needed to be purchased? How much food and resources were needed to keep the slaves and ship crew alive? Who supplied all of these materials? The same people, who funded Europe before the slave trade, also funded Europe after the slave trade. Most of these people who funded the slave trade were merchants. If it was not for slavery, we might not even have capitalism today. In fact, America is a capitalist country and the foundation of America’s wealth is in fact slavery. Slavery not only financed capitalism, but it also built the land we stand on. Slavery was the biggest business to ever exist in the world. Slavery not only played a huge role for capitalism in America but it also played a huge role for capitalism in England. Slavery helped finance the industrial revolution. Shipbuilders, plantation owners, and merchants connected with the slave trade accumulated vast fortunes that established banks and heavy industry in Europe and expanded the reach of capitalism worldwide. World capitalism was spread out of England; from England, came the world of capitalism. This also is proven because England at a certain point had control over almost the entire world hence the phrase “the sun will never set on the England Empire”. England imposed its practices wherever it went. The slave trade established the centrality in the European economic development.
In conclusion, over the span of 11 months, I have learned that quality is better than quantity. Most people are desensitized when learning about the slave trade because the feelings, experiences, and qualities of each individual life have been taken out of the teaching process. How can you write a history book about the worst thing to ever happen in history, and not include quality? Quality allows you to feel the pain of each individual life which allows you to better learn how things went about and how horrible the slave trade actually was.
The slave trade was the biggest business in the history of the world. The slave trade built governments, businesses, countries, extremely rich white families, and incredibly powerful economic systems. All of this built on each individual back of 12.4 million human beings. Imagine being taken from your family by some stranger that you’ve never seen before, to be cleaned by them, to be forced fed, to be in a ship with its cargo (you and every other slave) so compacted your like sardines in a can, imagine rats crawling on you while you are laying down unable to move, imagine having to sit in your own feces for days upon end, imagine contracting multiple diseases while on the ship, imagine seeing a black woman raped and having no ability to stop it, imagine you are taken to a doctor while being stripped naked in front of everyone to have your body examined and touched on, imagine being put in something like a halfway house where you are taught how to be a slave, you are seasoned (made to look appealing to buy by being cleaned by someone else naked in front of everyone), best into submission, and forced to run around naked towards your food, imagine when you get to the shores of America, you are stripped naked in front of a large group of people to be sold having no idea what’s going on because you don’t speak their language, imagine being force separated from your family to go work for some white man you just saw, imagine that you are working every day, doing some type of farm work that does not benefit you for almost 24 hours, and if you stop even once, you are whipped, imagine witnessing a slave revolt and as a result, you are forced to watch them be tortured beyond imagination so that fear would enter into your hear and you may never revolt, imagine having cast iron masks put on you for embarrassment, imagine being tied to the ground and being beat by a stick until all your bones are broken as a form of torture, imagine escaping and once you do the dogs find you and when you are brought back some white man cuts off your foot, hand, genitals, ear, or tongue. This all happened in the slave trade and more. Learn the processes by which people had to go through just to be brought to America.
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You Christians who attack us Muslims or tell us to convert, really need to be more introspective.
It's funny how of all the religions you think Islam is satanic. Sure, you can argue, it's militant. But at least we believe Jesus to be a holy messenger of God, and take offence to the mocking of Jesus. Misguided? Maybe, just as much as we believe you are the misguided. Evil? No.
A lot of you hardly understand Islam at all (Aim has the least clue).
It's funny how of all the religions you think Islam is satanic. Sure, you can argue, it's militant. But at least we believe Jesus to be a holy messenger of God, and take offence to the mocking of Jesus. Misguided? Maybe, just as much as we believe you are the misguided. Evil? No.
A lot of you hardly understand Islam at all (Aim has the least clue).
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No, I mean as in everyone in that group after he left is basically irrelevant.
Lol, it seems that you put a lot of thought into your plan.
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A lot of people like to say Islam was spread by the sword but it was actually Christianity. What do they think the crusades were? They forced people to accept Christianity and if they didn't they would be murdered. The same Rome that murdered Jesus is the home of the pope. Islam didn't reach the billion people it has through bloodshed. I see no reason why anyone would waste their time arguing with aim. He purposely makes long wall texts to tire people out.
Well then you don't know black history if you think the nation lost its relevance after Malcolm x died. Because clearly it has some relevance if The Minister can call for Justice Or Else and al types of famous people show up, African heads of state show their Country, middle eastern heads of state, Caribbean heads of state, and in the op Germany showed it also having 250,000 March for itNo, I mean as in everyone in that group after he left is basically irrelevant.
Lol, it seems that you put a lot of thought into your plan.
No, I mean as in everyone in that group after he left is basically irrelevant.
Lol, it seems that you put a lot of thought into your plan.
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Here's the link to where 250,000 Germans marched because of Justice Or ElseEdit: this is waaaay better than your extremely biased news articles wouldn't you say aim?
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Okay cool, my probation officer says I'm not allowed to argue with the mentally disabled anymore anyway.
Even in the link you posted, it doesn't say anywhere that they marched or were inspired by Justice or Else or even had the same motivations.
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They were inspired by Justice or else. It's not in the article but i thought it was interesting to note The Ministers real words for aim because he likes biased disrespectful news articles
Edit: "Whether or not you agree with every detail of Farrakhan’s personal philosophy, the practice of unifying in public for a protest could be considered the central focus, and in that sense it was a victory.
In 2015, we’re seeing a reinvigorated generation of black activists. This goes side-by-side a newly flourishing culture of activism in general.
This event could be considered a day of unity for the new generation of black activists and for activists as a whole, as every activist benefits from proliferation of the culture of activism.
Anti-Islamic “activists” claimed they would counter-protest, but not much happened on that front. They had a more pronounced presence in Texas and Arizona. The anti-Islam protest was oddly titled the “Global Rally for Humanity” (against Islam)."
This came from the news article. Does this sound racist to you?
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*Cough* Someone has not read any of the non European History or anything regarding the Ottoman Empire.
Not to mention ... I think Qur'an itself records the armed conflict between the Polytheistic Meccans (and their allies) and Muhammad.
@Bold: Except for the fact that 'Muslims' or 'Islam' is not a race.
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No I was saying did what Farrakhan say sound racist not be part about Islam. And polytheistic Meccans went to war with Muhammad because he was busting up what they believed in. I've studied the prophets wars and the Muslims were persecuted extremely. They went to war with their persecuted and won the overall battle. Islam wasn't spread through bloodshed. It was spread through example and peace
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Unifying in public to address problems is a good thing, but the that this movement plans, its philosophy, and its goals are not. I believe there are problems in the black community and country we can work towards fixing but I don't think this movement is the one we need.
We could change how the police force in America operates by taking a European model. The cops in Europe don't carry guns and if they want to use one they have to radio in with a valid reason. Now one could argue that "What if they just make up some bullshit" then we can get them to wear dashcams and if its found that an officer killed a innocent, unarmed person, then they would have to serve a sentence for murder.That would drastically reduce the amount of innocent people killed by police, because believe or not, theres also white people killed by the police too. How would "separating" or "else" fix the flawed police force system?
The black on black killings we've agreed both exist simply won't disappear because you aim to "separate" or rebel. They occur because of the underlying problem in the black community which is a cycle of getting involved in crime because they feel they have no other choice in life, that can be broken if we get the black youth more interested in education which can be achieved through fixing the education of system in America and giving innercity schools the same stuff and materials and teachers that care about the students that a suburban school would have. From personal experience, I can tell you the attitude towards education is WAY different in a innercity school.
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We can both agree that in 2015 it shouldn't even be a debate all schools should have equal opportunities and I don't think the movement will plan to fix the problem or go about the right steps. We as a country need to make our voices heard and tell our leaders that we don't think that's how we should be funding our schools, because after all, how can we fix education if the schools are poorly funded. I think we should be bringing that topic to light as a movement instead of trying to fight a vague enemy. I'm sure we can afford to cut some military spending to finance our the countries future. Lets face it, unequal funding disparities compromise our future as a nation.
I'm not seeing how the philosophy of "This country should belong to a collection of races and not a country of individuals" and "We need justice or else" aims to fix those problems.
Edit:How did you gather that the protesters in Germany were inspired by Justice or Else?
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You know what, I have to relook at where I saw that because I know I did. I'll have an answer for you tomorrow.
Justice Or Else is the only answer. We have been begging the country to do is right for a looonnnnnnnh time. It's not going to happen. We have tried court. But you cannot receive justice in the injustice system. And the 10,000 fearless will go into the streets to talk and teach our people. We will go in between the guns and fix our community's. That is one of the main reasons that The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan called for 10,000 fearless black men. And we will separate eventually. Just like the Asians have Chinatowns nd the Koreans have Korea town and the Irish have Irish town, we will have our own area. There's no use in asking for justice if you are not issuing a threat.
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I'd rather us not issue a threat. No, Justice Or Else isn't the only answer. A collection of U.S citizens, united and gathered to fix the problems present in America, not worrying about their Facebook and Twitter drama and what crazy shit the Kardashains will do next and whos the flyest star or rapper at the moment, united by the idea that through sheer numbers we can change things for the better, not one race or background or ethnicity, who plan to carry on with their lives after they succeeded.
.You need to fix the injustice system first before you try going to fight in it. We don't need 10,000 to do that. We need a country to fix those problems. You fail to realize those enclaves of towns are still under U.S jurisdiction and don't have any special governing body, and on top of that, they're not self-segregating or separating. How will 10,000 fix our communities? Teach blacks what? Shying away and staying separate won't fix our problems. We're American citizens and we should be raising attention to other American citizens that these are plights that their fellow countrymen are struggling through.
That same model worked for women and suffragists
That same model worked for our grandparents and activists of their time
I'm sure the same model of alerting other Americans to these problems and voicing enough concern will work too
This separating thing will only fall apart.
If the 1% and your enemies wish to divide us, don't you think you'd be playing right into their hands by separating? Wouldn't be dishonest to our ancestors who wanted nothing more than to be first class citizens in this country, who wished to sit along side all races of the country and break bread?
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My man, we have been in America for 460 years and nothing has changed other than slavery going away. And it didn't go away it's just in another form. Read a book called slavery by another name
And since you obviously have all the answers why don't you come and fix the black community and get us Justice.
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1. We both know thats untrue. I don't see too many black men getting lynched in the street and I'm not seeing any "whites only" drinking fountains or establishments.
2. I don't have all the answers and I haven't claimed to have all the answers but if I can get enough people on board who are willing to point out that does are issues we have in America today, people like you who realize theres a problem, are willing to tell others theres a problem, then I'll try my damn hardest. Until then, I am but a single man and my voice is drowned out in a sea of many. We can start a movement right now if you're down.
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You're showing your ignorance. I clearly said slavery by another name and shooting an unarmed black man in the street is modern day lynching. Stay woke.
I have no need to start a movement. That's what the Justice Or Else movement is for. This economic boycott is gonna hit the government hard. Just wait and see. Black Friday and Christmas will be wondering what happened to all the money. The economy and government are alresdy financially in trouble
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Then what is it when a cop shoots a person of another race?
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This isn't a black or white problem. This is a American problem. Thats a person killed by the cops for everyday of the year and then some. This article was written in May of this year. I think the number is somewhere over 500 now
I'm not reading a entire book to respond to shit you say to me. Perhaps you can paraphrase or qoute the book.
You think trying to hit the American economy, a selfish action, would fix any of the problems I just mentioned vs getting the American public involved with the "We the people" logic, is a good idea? Most companies probably won't realize maybe a few thousand but disgruntled people didn't buy their shit, but come on dude. You're being delusional.
I'm not seeing the point where the economy being more ****ed up and the problems being fixed will meet. You see how if the government and the American public has to deal with a shit economy they won't have time nor money to meet your crazy ass demands?
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