I will,but not now because I am using my friends computer.And I will be lieving soon.(moving in to my new apartment,check my profile greeting)So how about in a week?(or are you scaredxd) By the way I dont talk big........only against youxd
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And Ingwer will fail too. .O.
Anyway, Bisha, it would be too hard to accept EVERYONE who asks you for training, I assume, as I have seen some sensei's profiles, which are just filled with messages from numerous people, asking for training, and you just can't keep up with every single request.
If you train in detail, like DS, then one jutsu takes a pretty long time. If one jutsu takes long, how long would a whole element take? In Byakugan, the whole Gentle Fist skill, as I teach it, takes up a few weeks if you post once or twice every day.
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BishamonSama is one cool mother****er U_U
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Sorry, but I disagree with on pretty much everything. What you shouldn't forget is that you just came back and that a lot of things changed. You're projecting the things how the were when you were a sensei on the present, with other words you're being anachronistic. Times change.
I especially don't agree on the part of training everyone who asks, seriously then you're driving the sensei's to madness and suicide. Not to long ago people spammed all the sensei's, mods and admins profiles for training, even me while I'm not a sensei. It became such a big problem that Rei herself installed a rule it was forbidden to spam their profiles with such requests.
Only the fact that Rei did that, you should imagine how big an issue this was.
The sensei's have all the right to decline students if they have to many.
I can agree if you say that it's ridiculous if sensei's are going to ask for a test to learn fire, that's just stupid. But you haven't given any examples and the way you're talking about it you can it interpretate it in many ways. For instance the sensei can ask for him to show his skills, not as a test but to see how good he is. That way he can determine how he can teach him. People that are new will need more guidance than people that already learned a few elements.
Also it can be seen as a trick to decline people. When someone spams your profile with 20 messages after each other, you don't get really motived to train them. Saying that they have to take a test is just another way to say no as most of the people who spam like that are the ones who are the worst at RP and don't listen too. You can hardly blame them for that.
It's possible there's a single person who actually really asks for such things, however if it's one or so and the majority is good then you're making an unjust globalisation.
Another point is that you're laying way to much emphasis on quantity and not much on quality. Sensei's should train as much people as they can, but they have to teach them well. If you're training to much, the quality of the teaching will drop and that will lead to a lot of problems in the arena. In that case you can better decline people.
I especially don't agree on the part of training everyone who asks, seriously then you're driving the sensei's to madness and suicide. Not to long ago people spammed all the sensei's, mods and admins profiles for training, even me while I'm not a sensei. It became such a big problem that Rei herself installed a rule it was forbidden to spam their profiles with such requests.
Only the fact that Rei did that, you should imagine how big an issue this was.
The sensei's have all the right to decline students if they have to many.
I can agree if you say that it's ridiculous if sensei's are going to ask for a test to learn fire, that's just stupid. But you haven't given any examples and the way you're talking about it you can it interpretate it in many ways. For instance the sensei can ask for him to show his skills, not as a test but to see how good he is. That way he can determine how he can teach him. People that are new will need more guidance than people that already learned a few elements.
Also it can be seen as a trick to decline people. When someone spams your profile with 20 messages after each other, you don't get really motived to train them. Saying that they have to take a test is just another way to say no as most of the people who spam like that are the ones who are the worst at RP and don't listen too. You can hardly blame them for that.
It's possible there's a single person who actually really asks for such things, however if it's one or so and the majority is good then you're making an unjust globalisation.
Another point is that you're laying way to much emphasis on quantity and not much on quality. Sensei's should train as much people as they can, but they have to teach them well. If you're training to much, the quality of the teaching will drop and that will lead to a lot of problems in the arena. In that case you can better decline people.
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Ahem... B-sama... with all due respect,
i remember back in the day i asked for training and you said no... you only had 3 students i believe and wanted to keep it that way...
what changed?
i remember back in the day i asked for training and you said no... you only had 3 students i believe and wanted to keep it that way...
what changed?
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That's nit testing, though. That's analyzing the student's potential. I'm saying that senseis have to stop making students go through tests to see if the students are worthy of being taught. Seeing how well a student battles and seeing if they're worthy of being taunt are two totally different things. I think you misunderstood me.
I can understand the mods being busy - they're an exception. And I'm glad you agree with my statement that it should be mandatory for senses to give basic training to students who ask for it.
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The only reason that you think you would be overloaded is because you haven't seen the other senseis pull their own weight. If all of the senseis were required to do this, there would be little stress on individual senseis. Also, being a sensei means that you have a certain responsibility to fulfill. Having that orange name means that you are willing to sacrifice time, whether it be time that you would normally spend on NB or other free time, to teaching rp students on NB.
I don't understand how you cant see a problem. You yourself said that you currently have ten students of your own. HOW IS THAT NOT A PROBLEM? Hasashi, you are one of the few senseis who appears dedicated to his position as a sensei. The other senseis need to be more like you. If this system of required training were put into place, i can guarantee that you would have fewer than 10 students on your hands asking for basic training. You would have to do less work.
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I'm really not asking juch of the senseis. This wouldn't make them take on more full time students, and it wouldn't ask much more of them. It's just asking them to give a little simple, basic training to the random students who ask for it. That could mea teaching that student only one jutsu on one day.
Having more senseis could help, but only if those senseis actually do work. There's no point in having senseis at all if their role isn't being fulfilled.
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The senseis wouldn't teach a whole element. Just one or two techniques at a time of a certain element. Sure, it can take several posts to teach just one jutsu, but it shouldn't take hours. When i was a sensei, I used to teach one jutsu a day to my students, and that took forever. But I was able to do that because at that time we had enough senseis to teach all of the students. Today, I feel we have to sacrifice a little bit of the "quality" teaching for time's sake, as much as it pains me to say.
It does make a little logic for the sensei's to at least train a few times a day and just like what Bishamon said one a day would still be fine. Even though it'll take a while to finish a training session but at least progress would be made. And I believe what Rei stated in her "NarutoBase Official Senseis" thread that Senseis, I quote "be active 6 times a week or more". And to be honest and I'm referring to some not all, that Senseis are probably misunderstanding the term "being active" and just think of "active" as just logging on and showing up rather than "being active" as a Sensei and performing his/her job. I think Rei should at least change it to "Train at least two students with a minimum of three-four techinques a week" or something like it.
But then again, my opinion would most likely be ignored anyway, I'm just a noob determined to get better.
But then again, my opinion would most likely be ignored anyway, I'm just a noob determined to get better.
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I am most certainly not speaking anachronistically. I'm speaking from the point of view of a person who's just returned, yes. I didn't want to say this, but to me, NB's rp appears to be in shambles. There aren't enough senseis, there are too many students lacking basic training, and the few senseis that exist are, aside from a few outstanding ones, not pulling their weight. NB's rp is a joke of what it once was, and to me, an experienced rp-er, this is a way to both inspire the senseis to do more work and to improve the status of the members lacking training without asking too much.
The only reason that students spam sensei profiles for training is because they NEED training. Their needs cant just be dismissed as spam, and their dismissal as such has resulted in the rp's current state. It appears to me that rather than give those students training or at least give some of those students training, the senseis essentially said "stfo", and forgot about them.
Being annoyed by a student is no reason to disregard them. In fact, being annoyed by a student should inspire motivation on the sensei's part. The sensei should be inspired to teach the student the values of patience and respect. The more errors in the student's behavior, the more room for improvement, and the more to teach.
If a sensei has to decline a student teaching because they already have too many people to teach, even if they would only teach the would-be student a single jutsu for a single day, that indicates a more severe problem. That means there are either too many students or not enough dedicated senseis. The solution to the first scenario would be to approve more senseis, likely through a slight change in sensei requirements. I'm operating through the second scenario, that not enough senseis are pulling their weight. That can be changed by requiring senseis to teach students basic techniques. If you are telling me that the first scenario is the case, then i will gladly start another suggestion thread about the sensei rules, but until then, i see my solution as the only option that's been printed so far.
There's obviously a problem. Frankly, you all seem to be trying harder to prove me wrong thayou are trying to actually solve the problem. If you disagree with my solution, come up with a better one. The fact that you all haven't actually come up with another better solution leads me to believe that either you don't believe there's a problem (which there is, which has been proven by your claims that dozens of students spam the profiles of senseis), or that you don't want to go through the work of actually solving the problem. Either way, my solution remains the only solution, and thus the best solution.
Perhaps, though, my idea is too harsh. In that case, i would be glad to tweak it. Perhaps we can find common ground and compromise. Let's stop saying that my idea is bad, and start making it better through suggestions, shall we? After all, this is our forum, so the ideas should come from us, not just from one person with his own individual opinions.
the reason i am training 10 students is b/c nero is busy with other things
and yes we are supposed to sacrifice SOME of our free time not ALL of it
if i were to accept every training request regardless of how i feel or how many students i already have
frankly i think it highly unfair that i be asked to do such a thing
I am more then willing to train 3-4 people a day but if i had to give training to every person that came asking i quit the sensei job
it's actually 3 times a week
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You're still not taking into account the fact that you wouldn't be the only sensei doing this. If ALL of the senseis did it, it wouldn't impact you nearly as much as you claim.
Don't all students deserve teaching? It's completely unfair for some students to receive teaching and for others to not. Receiving teaching is an inalienable right for all students. And right now, I believe that that right is being violated by the laziness of some - not all - of the senseis. Like I said before, if yiu disagree with my plan for any reason, i beg of you to contribute to the plan! Instead of just saying what you don't like, say what you don't like AND say how you think the plan could be made better!