[Discussion] What if it was Shiryu instead of Burgees

[KingHashirama]

Reminder: We still do not know Sabo's true fighting style, meaning the way he was trained by Dragon or whoever taught him. He heavily used the fruit in most of the fights after he ate it. And he was a newbie to fruit, trying to get used to it. ..

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Oh I know where your going and your just showing me how ignorant you really are. Burgess is not Shiryu, Shiryu was equal to the man who one shot Blackbeard along with his whole crew. Not to mention that was Yami Blackbeard, the same man who beat Ace two years ago, I dont know what you believe but pre skip Ace and pre skip Sabo most likely were close to each other in power.

You know where I'm going with this right? If pre skip Shiryu was as strong as Magellan then that would mean pre skip Shiryu was ahead of pre skip Sabo so current Shiryu should be still ahead of Sabo. And using your logic that's based on past battles and feats.

So I guess Pre-ts Luffy is stronger than the Pre-ts BB Pirates since he gave Megellan a tougher fight than the BB Pirates did. They lost because they got arrogant and underestimated Magellan.

 

[OG sama]

So I guess Pre-ts Luffy is stronger than the Pre-ts BB Pirates since he gave Megellan a tougher fight than the BB Pirates did. They lost because they got arrogant and underestimated Magellan.

I already know this, and in my post before this I had already alluded to this. I know Magellan wouldn't have been able to do that otherwise.

The whole point of my argument is to prove that Shiryu is way ahead of Burgess, since some people think just because Burgess was fodder to Sabo that Shiryu would be as well. Now I don't know how pre skip Magellan fares against pre skip Ace or Sabo and I know that's a useless argument. But I'm trying to make people understand is that its baseless and down right ridiculous to think Shiryu is going to be much weaker if at all to Sabo.

Blackbeards strongest subordinate , Dragons strongest subordinate, there's no way there not close in power.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Didn't Luffy gave an ass whooping to Magellan once he got those candle gloves?

 

[Akuma]

Bold: Shiryu may not be able to do exactly that, but whos to say he couldn't just blitz and slash Blackbeard and his whole crew like he did those ID guards. The BB pirates were underestimating Magellan, Shiryu would have capitalized on that as well.

1st red: Ace never nearly killed Blackbeard. How does Blackbeard getting hurt by Aces attacks mean that Ace almost killed him? Either could have won based off what? Blackbeard had the advantage the whole fight.

2nd red: Two years later yeah when Ace is dead and Sabo had time to keep improving. Two years ago who was to say Sabo Haki was good enough then? Aces fruit gives him advantages Sabo does not have.

1st Blue: But its YOUR logic. You say Sabo should be above Shiryu by past battles and feats, but if you believed differently then why in the hell are you saying Sabo would mid diff him? Because after all, someone stronger two years ago doesn't have to be stronger still. Right?

The hell is this BS? It has plenty of merit because whether or not Magellan beat Shiryu they were said to be equal in power. Have you never heard someone say X beats Y 5 amount of times out of 10? Ace=Marco was the worst example you could have used.

I won't lie, I didn't even read. But clearly you're pouring your heart into making some type of sense...or something. So i'm going to give you the win of the discussion.

Shiryu is probably the strongest person in the BB crew not counting Bb himself. Buuuut

Sabo > Shiryu, high diff if anything.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Shiryu vs Sabo instead.

I think Shiryu would win. Hes already on par with magellan 2 yrs ago. Im thinking hes admiral lvl right now.

Hes obviously way stronger than burgess. Ace neg diffed burgess.

Weeehahah

Zehahahah

Shiryu wasn't on par with Magellan pre skip idk why people keep saying this. Magellan put Shiryu down when he went crazy.

 

[OG sama]

I won't lie, I didn't even read. But clearly you're pouring your heart into making some type of sense...or something. So i'm going to give you the win of the discussion.

Shiryu is probably the strongest person in the BB crew not counting Bb himself. Buuuut

Sabo > Shiryu, high diff if anything.

Well if that's your opinion I can't stop you. But it could easily be the other way around or an extreme diff fight that could go either way, I wasn't trying to piss you off or anything.

I'm just trying to say some of you guys need to be realistic when versus threads are made, we shouldn't decide whos stronger just because we like this certain character more. Not saying you did but I have seen it happen all the time here.

 

[KingHashirama]

I already know this, and in my post before this I had already alluded to this. I know Magellan wouldn't have been able to do that otherwise.

The whole point of my argument is to prove that Shiryu is way ahead of Burgess, since some people think just because Burgess was fodder to Sabo that Shiryu would be as well. Now I don't know how pre skip Magellan fares against pre skip Ace or Sabo and I know that's a useless argument. But I'm trying to make people understand is that its baseless and down right ridiculous to think Shiryu is going to be much weaker if at all to Sabo.

Blackbeards strongest subordinate , Dragons strongest subordinate, there's no way there not close in power.

@Bold, I highly doubt some kid is his strongest subordinate, considering there are many "leaders" over the world in his army.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Shiryu is on par with Magellan??? what kinda joke is that?? Magellan defeated him plain and simple.....also my man sabo just got mera-mera no mi....he could have defeated burgess without MMnM with mid-diff but with MMnM i see him high diff Shiryu.....since sabo's haki game is pretty strong.....My man sabo can defeat anyone of BB expect BB himself....PS i don't believe shiryu is admiral level but if oda somehow does confirm he is than i say he defeats my man sabo extreme diff....

 

[Bogard]

Shiryu is on par with Magellan??? what kinda joke is that??

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Magellan defeated him plain and simple.....

We don't know how it went out. All we know is that he somehow ended up in prison. For all we know, they(Magellan and reinforcements) all ganged up on him. For all we know, they took him from behind. For all we know they attacked him in his sleep. For all we know they attacked an unknown weakness or sealed his movements. For all we know, the location where they fought was more advantageous to Magellan, etc etc Not to mention we don't even have any idea concerning their state after they accomplished that. For all we know Magellan was half dead. There can have countless scenarios where equals opponents can finish their fight sooner just like Dorry and Broggy who were equals in everything, but one of them lost the moment he destabilized his balance due to external help

Let's not forget it's the same person that stated they are on par(Ivankov) that also stated that he ended up in prison. So i doubt that having the knowledge of Shiryu ending up in prison, he'd still continue to say they were on par if it really wasn't the case

 

[KingHashirama]

Shiryu is on par with Magellan??? what kinda joke is that?? Magellan defeated him plain and simple.....also my man sabo just got mera-mera no mi....he could have defeated burgess without MMnM with mid-diff but with MMnM i see him high diff Shiryu.....since sabo's haki game is pretty strong.....My man sabo can defeat anyone of BB expect BB himself....PS i don't believe shiryu is admiral level but if oda somehow does confirm he is than i say he defeats my man sabo extreme diff....

He would've defeated Burgess faster, if he wasn't relying on the mera-mera.

 

[ToshiZO]

Shiryu was around Magellan's level but what we do know is Magellan no doubt was stronger than Shiryu. Shiryu was so scared of Magellan that he was literally doing everything in his power to not run into Magellan again, once he was released. Including messing with the surveillance system IIRC.

 

[Bogard]

It's always better to avoid unnecessary fights when you can. It doesn't necessarily suggest he thought he'd lose if it came down to it. Besides, Magellan is more hax. It's possible that it's what he was weary about. It's actually impressive that he was considered to be on par with Magellan and his poisonous hax with a simple sword

 

[chopstickchakra]

Shiryu was around Magellan's level but what we do know is Magellan no doubt was stronger than Shiryu. Shiryu was so scared of Magellan that he was literally doing everything in his power to not run into Magellan again, once he was released. Including messing with the surveillance system IIRC.

I agree with you on this one, everything the manga showed points to Shiryu wanting no piece of Magellan.

 

[chopstickchakra]

It's always better to avoid unnecessary fights when you can. It doesn't necessarily suggest he thought he'd lose if it came down to it. Besides, Magellan is more hax. It's possible that it's what he was weary about. It's actually impressive that he was considered to be on par with Magellan and his poisonous hax with a simple sword

It doesn't say on par, it says comparable comparable and on par aren't the same thing. On par means = to comparable means close to each other there is a difference. That page says he was more dangerous because he was there more, Magellan had a set amount of hours he had to work.

 

[Bogard]

It doesn't say on par, it says comparable comparable and on par aren't the same thing. On par means = to comparable means close to each other there is a difference. That page says he was more dangerous because he was there more, Magellan had a set amount of hours he had to work.

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And even in that translation when you look at Bon Clay's reaction("As strong as Magellan"), it's pretty clear the hype was for them to be as strong as each other in terms of strength

 

[chopstickchakra]

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And even in that translation when you look at Bon Clay's reaction("As strong as Magellan"), it's pretty clear the hype was for them to be as strong as each other in terms of strength

touche, I was going off the page from the other guys post. It'd be interesting to get to see then, either a fight later or when he was arrested.

 

[ToshiZO]

What we do know is that Magellan felt Shiryu was strong enough to deal with BB's entire crew. This is why I say Shiryu was > Yami Teach.

As for Magellan....he lost to Magellan and he also wanted no piece of him when he came out heck he thought joining BB was his only way out of the prison so its clear to me Magellan was stronger than Shiryu...but they were probably really close.