hebi sasuke vs kakazu arc kakashi

[Pukkake Pokayo]

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Keep reading onward. This is right after he failed against Deidara, thus his Kamui is literally the same. Yes, Kamui would get Sasuke if he was bound by Raiton Clone's electricity, but considering that isn't a Kakuzu arc Kakashi feat, it's irrelevant. And OP gave him full intel. Even if he didn't, Deidara literally felt himself being pulled in and was still able to move. Sasuke simply Shunshin's out of the way.

Using kamui on an explosion is nothing to turn your nose up at. There are much slower things. He didn't fail to kamui anything faster, did he? So we can't really know his limit. That was a few kamui's too by the sound of it from the whole thing. I understand what you're saying but it's just a shadow clone infused with Kakashi's natural chakra affinity, after all. Deidera felt himself being pulled it in yet still lost an arm. Sasuke would have to shunshin out of view and then Kakashi can just begin aiming again when he re-appears. Either way. Kakashi is the best tactician in the manga with traps etc. And his raikiri>regular chidori. Doubt he'd come out well vs a Curse mark chidori clash.

 

[KidGamer65]

Using kamui on an explosion is nothing to turn your nose up at. There are much slower things. He didn't fail to kamui anything faster, did he? So we can't really know his limit. That was a few kamui's too by the sound of it from the whole thing. I understand what you're saying but it's just a shadow clone infused with Kakashi's natural chakra affinity, after all. Deidera felt himself being pulled it in yet still lost an arm. Sasuke would have to shunshin out of view and then Kakashi can just begin aiming again when he re-appears. Either way. Kakashi is the best tactician in the manga with traps etc. And his raikiri>regular chidori. Doubt he'd come out well vs a Curse mark chidori clash.

Limit? If you are referring to how many times he can use it, it's more than twice, but it makes him tired, and he can't catch someone as fast as Sasuke with it, so it's irrelevant.

So? It being what it is isn't reason for you to give it to a version of Kakashi that hadn't shown said technique until a few arcs later. Deidara felt himself being pulled in and was only swerving around in mid air. Sasuke's Shunshin is faster so using that as a basis for comparison doesn't help your argument one bit. Kakashi spamming Kamui is probably the worst thing he could do since using it twice is enough to

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Using it again isn't going to stop Sasuke from dodging it again.

And yes, Raikiri>Regular Chidori by an unknown amount. Black Chidori>>Regular Chidori as one has Senjutsu in it and the other doesn't.

 

[BLAZE]

grasping straws at finest :lol first wank kamui oneshots when Diedara easily pulled himself out of it then try to spoon feed pain arc feats to kakuzu arc kakashi and then spew bull$#!ts like Kakuzu arc kakashi can actually spam Kamui :lol

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Limit? If you are referring to how many times he can use it, it's more than twice, but it makes him tired, and he can't catch someone as fast as Sasuke with it, so it's irrelevant.

So? It being what it is isn't reason for you to give it to a version of Kakashi that hadn't shown said technique until a few arcs later. Deidara felt himself being pulled in and was only swerving around in mid air. Sasuke's Shunshin is faster so using that as a basis for comparison doesn't help your argument one bit. Kakashi spamming Kamui is probably the worst thing he could do since using it twice is enough to

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Using it again isn't going to stop Sasuke from dodging it again.

And yes, Raikiri>Regular Chidori by an unknown amount. Black Chidori>>Regular Chidori as one has Senjutsu in it and the other doesn't.

Nawh. By limit I meant the speed at which kamui can lock on/close the vortex etc in different situations. If I catch a ball going 5 miles per hour. Who's to say I can't catch one going 7. That kinda way. I'm not talking about spamming kamui at all :/

grasping straws at finest :lol first wank kamui oneshots when Diedara easily pulled himself out of it then try to spoon feed pain arc feats to kakuzu arc kakashi and then spew bull$#!ts like Kakuzu arc kakashi can actually spam Kamui :lol

Take it easy, my maan. Just having a discussion, sheesh. Not trying to push anything. Imo Kakashi has exp, tactics, traps etc. To give him a chance.

 

[ultraChalk]

explain.





Good thing you mentioned that, remember what happened to Kakashi from one usage of Kamui ?

Kamui. At that point in time he's capable of using it 2-3 times before exhaustion and you need FTG/Juubi jin tier speed to resist the gravitational pull.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nawh. By limit I meant the speed at which kamui can lock on/close the vortex etc in different situations. If I catch a ball going 5 miles per hour. Who's to say I can't catch one going 7. That kinda way. I'm not talking about spamming kamui at all :/

What reason is there to believe you can catch one going 7? If you struggle badly catching one going 5, you aren't going to catch one going 7. If Kakashi struggled with Deidara's swerving speed, he's not catching Sasuke's Shunshin speed, which is far faster.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

What reason is there to believe you can catch one going 7? If you struggle badly catching one going 5, you aren't going to catch one going 7. If Kakashi struggled with Deidara's swerving speed, he's not catching Sasuke's Shunshin speed, which is far faster.

Well did I show any signs that 5 was my limit? No. In fact. I finished playing catch and the next day I caught one going 10 m/ph! The 10 being the Pain arc feats. See what I'm saying. Anyone we seen MS Sasuke go up against MS Kakashi for a bit. It's just an earlier stage. The conditions were a little different but Sasuke was on the run/defence throughout and it came down to a Chidori clash almost before Naruto jumped in. Kakashi looked like he could've fired out another kamui and he told Naruto & Sakura to leave as he was going to kill Sasuke so he was confident. You could say Sasuke was the same but he was crazy at the time and ended up being saved after.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well did I show any signs that 5 was my limit? No. In fact. I finished playing catch and the next day I caught one going 10 m/ph! The 10 being the Pain arc feats. See what I'm saying. Anyone we seen MS Sasuke go up against MS Kakashi for a bit. It's just an earlier stage. The conditions were a little different but Sasuke was on the run/defence throughout and it came down to a Chidori clash almost before Naruto jumped in. Kakashi looked like he could've fired out another kamui and he told Naruto & Sakura to leave as he was going to kill Sasuke so he was confident. You could say Sasuke was the same but he was crazy at the time and ended up being saved after.

Except you are using feats from a completely different time period, one in the future. For all we know you could've upped your physical ability in between that time. Saying "next day" for your example doesn't work since the time in between the Immortals Arc and the Pain Arc obviously isn't a single day, or even a single week.

Uh, no. Sasuke and Kakashi never fought in CQC in the Manga. All we see is that Sasuke is using Susanoo and Kakashi had to use Kamui twice to counter. After he went to go save Sakura, he was staggering due to using MS too much. Meaning he isn't using Kamui more than twice without having side effects in this match. Even if he did, that was a near blind Sasuke. :lol

 

[BLAZE]

Anyone we seen MS Sasuke go up against MS Kakashi for a bit. It's just an earlier stage. The conditions were a little different but Sasuke was on the run/defence throughout and it came down to a Chidori clash

lol kakashi punched a half blind sasuke who defended and landed few steps back lml

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

lol kakashi punched a half blind sasuke who defended and landed few steps back lml

Kakashi was also after using his MS, Sasuke was blind at first but obviously recovered well enough to fight and aim fir Sakura's throat etc. Kakashi had him back peddling up and down a wall in the anime anyway lmao

Except you are using feats from a completely different time period, one in the future. For all we know you could've upped your physical ability in between that time. Saying "next day" for your example doesn't work since the time in between the Immortals Arc and the Pain Arc obviously isn't a single day, or even a single week.

Uh, no. Sasuke and Kakashi never fought in CQC in the Manga. All we see is that Sasuke is using Susanoo and Kakashi had to use Kamui twice to counter. After he went to go save Sakura, he was staggering due to using MS too much. Meaning he isn't using Kamui more than twice without having side effects in this match. Even if he did, that was a near blind Sasuke. :lol

Upped my physical ability in a day? Pfft. MS isn't even something you really train. The "next day" was hyperbole to emphasise that it may as well have been that time as we didn't see Kakashi training, therefire he doesn't get training feats.

I literally just watched the fight lol that's not accurate. Not for the anime anyway. I'll repeat. I don't give a shit about the amount if times kamui can be used and that's NOT what I'm referring to with "the limit". Sasuke was going blind after he tried showing off susano but he obviouslly recovered for the most part like any other MS user. Especially if he's running up walls and blocking punches. I acknowledged this btw when I said "different conditions".

 

[KidGamer65]

Upped my physical ability in a day? Pfft. MS isn't even something you really train. The "next day" was hyperbole to emphasise that it may as well have been that time as we didn't see Kakashi training, therefire he doesn't get training feats.

I literally just watched the fight lol that's not accurate. Not for the anime anyway. I'll repeat. I don't give a shit about the amount if times kamui can be used and that's NOT what I'm referring to with "the limit". Sasuke was going blind after he tried showing off susano but he obviouslly recovered for the most part like any other MS user. Especially if he's running up walls and blocking punches. I acknowledged this btw when I said "different conditions".

Therefore he sticks with the level of Kamui shown before the Immortals Arc. So why are you even arguing?


Anime is completely irrelevant when discussing CANON. The rest isn't relevant to this scenario. Blind MS Sasuke vs. Healthy Kakashi shouldn't have been mentioned in the first place.

 

[BLAZE]

Kakashi was also after using his MS,

Did i say he didn't

Sasuke was blind at first but obviously recovered well enough to fight and aim fir Sakura's throat etc.

@bold lololololol

Kakashi had him back peddling up and down a wall in the anime anyway lmao

Lmao filler :lol

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[Pukkake Pokayo]

Did i say he didn't@bold lolololololLmao filler :lol

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No Hashi cells/Rikudo chakra/sibling eyes = fatigue when using MS. Sasuke is no special snowflake that it only applies to him. Sneak attack didn't even fail? Lol he hit him didn't he?

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Therefore he sticks with the level of Kamui shown before the Immortals Arc. So why are you even arguing?


Anime is completely irrelevant when discussing CANON. The rest isn't relevant to this scenario. Blind MS Sasuke vs. Healthy Kakashi shouldn't have been mentioned in the first place.

Your logic is that if you don't see it, it doesn't exist. Mightn't necessarily be the case. Raiton bunshin could've been one of the 1k jutsu hyped but it wasn't elaborated on so yeah...there's no proof for or against it. He wasn't blind. He was essentially short-sighted/blurred vision for a few secs after. In the anime anyway. Didn't read the manga.

 

[BLAZE]

No Hashi cells/Rikudo chakra/sibling eyes = fatigue when using MS. Sasuke is no special snowflake that it only applies to him. Sneak attack didn't even fail? Lol he hit him didn't he?

Sasuke fought 5 Kages and Danzo and samurai's and kakashi unlike Kakashi fighting only Sasuke genius :lol

 

[Eng nawashi]

The kamui used on diedra isnt warping sasuke as kakashi wasnt good at determining the barrier location and size and diedra was struggling with it ,but then kakashi got used to it and was able to stop the explosion that was catching Gai and his team from expanding/detonating out the barrier ,this kamui can probably hold sasuke ,otherwise sasuke wins since kakashi base arsenal and feats isnt enough to beat him down .

 

[super yang]

hebi sasuke beats any kakashi that hasn't a susano'o

 

[KidGamer65]

Your logic is that if you don't see it, it doesn't exist. Mightn't necessarily be the case. Raiton bunshin could've been one of the 1k jutsu hyped but it wasn't elaborated on so yeah...there's no proof for or against it. He wasn't blind. He was essentially short-sighted/blurred vision for a few secs after. In the anime anyway. Didn't read the manga.

No, if I don't see it, and there's no reason for it to exist, it doesn't exist. :lol.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Sasuke fought 5 Kages and Danzo and samurai's and kakashi unlike Kakashi fighting only Sasuke genius :lol

Then white zetsu & Karin hopped on him to heal him & Obito even brought him to Kamui Land for a nice lil nap :Sparks:

No, if I don't see it, and there's no reason for it to exist, it doesn't exist. :lol.

lol could use that argument to say raiton bunshin wasn't needed/conditions weren't right for it and that's why it wasn't shown.

 

[BLAZE]

Then white zetsu & Karin hopped on him to heal him & Obito even brought him to Kamui Land for a nice lil nap :Sparks:

and he was still exhausted and nvr fully recovered from any battle so please read the manga rather than nitpicking and making fanfics :lol