hebi sasuke vs kakazu arc kakashi

[WalksInShadows]

i can see Sasuke going down via Raiton clone feint, so i'm going with Kakashi @ high diff.

 

[Filosoofis]

Nope, not really...
It was Sasuke from the Kage summit arc who went ahead...

Kage summit arc sasuke was blind against kakashi and was still able to beat him in taijutsu atleast in the anime not sure about the manga version. I'm sure the sasuke even without cursemark we saw against team 7 could easily beat kakashi.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Kakashi...

Even though they seem close in abilities and skills... Kakashi easily holds edge in about every department except chakra.
Experience plays it's role here, Sasuke has substitutions, Kakashi has Kage Bunshins... It's funny to assume that Kakashi has to resort to Kamui when he can already push Sasuke to limits with his basics...

Kakashi is a master assassin and given a suitable terrain, he's very lethal...

The Sharingan is already hard for One Kakashi to use for an extended time, so I doubt he'll split up his chakra for multiple clones.

 

[ultraChalk]

Kakashi and anybody who says Sasuke is wrong.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Sasuke beats him. The only wild factor is Kamui, and I don't even think it's fast enough to catch Sasuke at that point.

It was fast enough to erase a shot susano arrow from a few meters away so fast enough imo. Especially if Sasuke gets shocked by a raiton bunshin or distracted.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Kakashi and anybody who says Sasuke is wrong.

explain.

It was fast enough to erase a shot susano arrow from a few meters away so fast enough imo. Especially if Sasuke gets shocked by a raiton bunshin or distracted.

Good thing you mentioned that, remember what happened to Kakashi from one usage of Kamui ?

 

[KidGamer65]

It was fast enough to erase a shot susano arrow from a few meters away so fast enough imo. Especially if Sasuke gets shocked by a raiton bunshin or distracted.

None of those abilities are Kakuzu Arc Kakashi.

-He only used Raiton clones in the Pain Arc.
-His Kamui only got that good post Pain Arc.

 

[Apêx1]

Sasuke would smash him with superior everything.

 

[Zexion~]

Their speed was rated relatively the same at that point, but his versatility give him the win, although couldn't raikiri absorb Sasuke's different chidori varients :lol

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

None of those abilities are Kakuzu Arc Kakashi.

-He only used Raiton clones in the Pain Arc.
-His Kamui only got that good post Pain Arc.

He can keep him occupied in other ways so any kamui should be good enough. He was also kamui'ing nails and missiles. Can't really judge how fast they were going though.

Good thing you mentioned that, remember what happened to Kakashi from one usage of Kamui ?

One kamui is all he needs :bdpf:

 

[KidGamer65]

He can keep him occupied in other ways so any kamui should be good enough. He was also kamui'ing nails and missiles. Can't really judge how fast they were going though.



One kamui is all he needs :bdpf:

Pain Arc. Not this arc. :lol And no, he can't keep him preoccupied enough to use Kamui on him without him noticing. As shown against Deidara, the target can feel the barrier on them. So when he feels it he dodges. Kakashi's Kamui is not fast enough to catch Sasuke at that point. His best feat at that point was Kamui'ing an explosion, and even that took a good amount of time.

 

[Apêx1]

Their speed was rated relatively the same at that point, but his versatility give him the win, although couldn't raikiri absorb Sasuke's different chidori varients :lol

Not when they are Senjutsu enhanced.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Pain Arc. Not this arc. :lol And no, he can't keep him preoccupied enough to use Kamui on him without him noticing. As shown against Deidara, the target can feel the barrier on them. So when he feels it he dodges. Kakashi's Kamui is not fast enough to catch Sasuke at that point. His best feat at that point was Kamui'ing an explosion, and even that took a good amount of time.

And how much kamui training/ training in general went on between these arcs?

 

[KidGamer65]

And how much kamui training/ training in general went on between these arcs?

Who knows? But you can't use feats from Kakashi after this arc for that specific reason. His best feat at that time would be the explosion. Nothing else.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Who knows? But you can't use feats from Kakashi after this arc for that specific reason. His best feat at that time would be the explosion. Nothing else.

Well if we don't know, we can't gauge how much he actually advanced and therefore how close he was to those feats or if he was already capable at the time. It's all speculation.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well if we don't know, we can't gauge how much he actually advanced and therefore how close he was to those feats or if he was already capable at the time. It's all speculation.

Thus you stick to the most recent feat, and that would be the explosion.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Thus you stick to the most recent feat, and that would be the explosion.

I'm talking about the possibility of the raiton clones too btw. Deidera was fleeing at full speed in the air and Kakashi still managed to run, jump and take his arm off with Deidera swerving around. Not even sure which explosion you are referring to tbh? If Kakashi can see it & perceive it. He can kamui it. The speed just affects the accuracy.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm talking about the possibility of the raiton clones too btw. Deidera was fleeing at full speed in the air and Kakashi still managed to run, jump and take his arm off with Deidera swerving around. Not even sure which explosion you are referring to tbh? If Kakashi can see it & perceive it. He can kamui it. The speed just affects the accuracy.

I know, and the same thing applies. Kakashi didn't show it in that arc so he doesn't get it. And yes, Deidara was only swerving around and Kakashi was still unable to get his head like he wanted to. Sasuke's Shunshin>>>Deidara swerving around in the air. Thus he dodges it. The bold is irrelevant for obvious reasons. Being able to Kamui it=/=Being fast or accurate enough to do so.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

I know, and the same thing applies. Kakashi didn't show it in that arc so he doesn't get it. And yes, Deidara was only swerving around and Kakashi was still unable to get his head like he wanted to. Sasuke's Shunshin>>>Deidara swerving around in the air. Thus he dodges it. The bold is irrelevant for obvious reasons. Being able to Kamui it=/=Being fast or accurate enough to do so.

You still didn't tell me what this crappy kamui explosion feat was so I can't really comment. Kamui would be faster if he immobolized Sasuke via raiton bunshin or w/e first was my point. It's far from impossible. As Deidera swerved, the kamui lock on didn't even change place on his body. If it works kinda like the spartan laser in Halo it should be even easier. Sasuke hasn't got intel or exp on MS and the way it targets with things such as amaterasu so there's definitely hope for Kakashi.

 

[KidGamer65]

You still didn't tell me what this crappy kamui explosion feat was so I can't really comment. Kamui would be faster if he immobolized Sasuke via raiton bunshin or w/e first was my point. It's far from impossible. As Deidera swerved, the kamui lock on didn't even change place on his body. If it works kinda like the spartan laser in Halo it should be even easier. Sasuke hasn't got intel or exp on MS and the way it targets with things such as amaterasu so there's definitely hope for Kakashi.

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Keep reading onward. This is right after he failed against Deidara, thus his Kamui is literally the same. Yes, Kamui would get Sasuke if he was bound by Raiton Clone's electricity, but considering that isn't a Kakuzu arc Kakashi feat, it's irrelevant. And OP gave him full intel. Even if he didn't, Deidara literally felt himself being pulled in and was still able to move. Sasuke simply Shunshin's out of the way.