For the homophobes

WOULD YOU RATHER

  • Would you rather your 17 year old daughter tell you she's pregnant?

    Votes: 37 52.1%
  • Your 17 year old son tell you he's gay?

    Votes: 34 47.9%

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Also this sounds like a smug prideful Sob thread

Oh having a gay son is better then having a daughter who got pregnant why because preg daughter at that age means your a terrible parent and she made a bad choice and now is going to have a tough life congrats

But having a gay son means he has no issues he will have a happy life your a good parent and should be proud of yourself and not be like that parent with the trash daughter who is straight

.......... Yea that's what this thread is pretty much about
It's actually asking you to choose between something negative and something neutral. You're not a good or parent because you're child is gay, tf? If this was thread was asking if you'd rather a child who broke his leg or a child who ate a sandwich, it'd be the same: one is negative, one is neutral.
Why is it that anyone who isn't 100% pro homo is a homophobe? It's either, "agree with my lifestyle, or let me label you".

You are no better than the "homophobes" forcing your beliefs on someone. Just another group of zealots.
Because that's the definition of homophobia. If you are against someone or something on the basis that it's homosexual, then that's homophobic. Just because it's not as extreme as killing someone because they're gay or taking away their rights because they're gay, doesn't mean it's not homophobic.
 

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Since I'm a religious person, somewhat, both options are... a bit tough for me. But I guess on this modern day and age, I rather have my daughter telling me she's pregnant. In any case, I can still help her taking care of the baby. I'm very, very against the act of abortion without some concrete reason to do so, because you basically kill/deny a new unborn life trying to learn about the world and the beautiful of it.

Second option leaves me in rage at least, or a single slap on my son's cheek. I would try my best to get him back on religious track (I have my own justification to have him like that) but if he couldn't do it in the end then I guess I'll have to let him go. I would indeed be sad of course, to him and to myself, not because of the fact he would be shunned by the society in my place, but the fact we may not be able to meet in the afterlife as fast as we think. Well, the least I can do is confirming his partner to be entirely qualified as a part of my family. I wouldn't deny he's my son still, and I would always welcome him in my arms whenever, though I couldn't help but feel sad everytime.
 

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It's actually asking you to choose between something negative and something neutral. You're not a good or parent because you're child is gay, tf? If this was thread was asking if you'd rather a child who broke his leg or a child who ate a sandwich, it'd be the same: one is negative, one is neutral.


Because that's the definition of homophobia. If you are against someone or something on the basis that it's homosexual, then that's homophobic. Just because it's not as extreme as killing someone because they're gay or taking away their rights because they're gay, doesn't mean it's not homophobic.
There's a difference between an irrational fear or hatred and just disagreeing with the act.

It goes against biological design. Therefore my argument is rational. IE: not a homophobe.
 

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There's a difference between an irrational fear or hatred and just disagreeing with the act.

It goes against biological design. Therefore my argument is rational. IE: not a homophobe.
Homophobia is not the same as a phobia in something else, like a spider. The term phobia has several meanings, all of which are rooted in aversion. Being against homosexuality, in any form or degree, is aversion, and therefore homophobia
 

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It's actually asking you to choose between something negative and something neutral. You're not a good or parent because you're child is gay, tf? If this was thread was asking if you'd rather a child who broke his leg or a child who ate a sandwich, it'd be the same: one is negative, one is neutral.


Because that's the definition of homophobia. If you are against someone or something on the basis that it's homosexual, then that's homophobic. Just because it's not as extreme as killing someone because they're gay or taking away their rights because they're gay, doesn't mean it's not homophobic.
Maybe to you but to the thread maker preg daughter is bad choice gay son is good choice based on how they worded everything

I'm neutral towards the whole gay vs straight but lately the gay side has become very annoying.

And acts like they are superior and better morally than those who are against or just disagree with them

They make up bs about trauma non Violent so they sue for loads of money and somehow win

sorry but they are pretty much equal with the people that disagree with them

Also just because you disagree doesn't make you a homophobe now if you lash out with violence use derogatory words and vehemently hate them yea that's homophobe

But if you just say sorry I dont agree with your choice but a till treat them as a human being your not a homophobe just another person who doesn't share your pov because that's life there are going to be tons of others who dont agree with you
 

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As if anime preference and mating are even close.
They are both a preference, are they not?

I'd trust Steven Fry over you who said that scientists are still working on it and looking for a gay gene.
Who?

They will be looking for a 'gay' gene for a very long time, because there isn't one.

Or, to be more scientific with the response - there is no gene that is both common to homosexuals and exclusive of heterosexuals. Worse, the studies are difficult to do in the first place as there are no criteria by which to objectively distinguish someone as 'homosexual.'

Sounds crazy - but when you look at most of the more thorough studies, the study subjects are asked their sexual preference and there is a course of followup interviews/surveys where, after a few years, a number of homosexuals now identify as heterosexual or bisexual.

Translated - this means that there exists no way to 'prove' anyone is a homosexual.

Consider this - let's say there -is- a gay gene. But how can you find it if people who check "homosexual" on the survey are just confused heterosexuals who gave up on women? Now you have contamination of your data set ... and how do you control for that?

The best way to try and control for that is twin studies. If homosexuality is something governed by genetics, then we would expect identical twins to both be homosexual. Since this is only the case roughly 50% of the time, there are other factors that quite clearly influence this. Further, without digging into each of those studies to see what follow-ups found several years later, it's impossible to declare them definitive. If the study allowed for 18 year old people to respond to the survey, it is likely that the number of people who identify as homosexual decline.

There's your personality and then there's finding things arousing.
Finding things arousing and sexual preference are two completely different things.

Just as a dog is likely to get a hard-on when he becomes emotionally excited - men and women are both likely to become stimulated, particularly in their teenage years. Men become very sensitive, and just the presence of their clothing can trigger arousal. It is also common for young men to become aroused in the presence of other men - similar to how a dog contesting another dog will become aroused. It is also common for people entering puberty to engage in exploratory behavior with those whom they trust, regardless of their ***. Close friends are more likely to be chosen to explore sexuality - someone they feel more comfortable with.

None of those are to be confused for sexual preference.

I don't like a song so much that I cream myself.
There are songs, however, that trigger an immediate response from you. When you listen to some songs, your adrenal glands are stimulated and you are filled with energy. Others that you find more relaxing will trigger a relaxing of your blood vessels and a lowering of your blood pressure (as well as heart rate, breathing, etc).

You tend to associate songs with the environments where you first encountered them or the people who introduced you to them. While there are sounds and patterns we find inherently stimulating in one way or another, there is a much broader context that ties into our perception of music that then triggers the somatic response.

There is a reason certain music is called "mood music" and some people play it while engaging in sexual activity to 'enhance' things.

There's reasons for liking tits though etc. You're breastfed or you weren't etc.
Somewhat.

Under the Red Queen Hypothesis, the fact that women have these large, fatty masses on the front of their chests is completely unnecessary in terms of classical evolution. It is an increased strain upon the body with little benefit (women with larger breasts don't necessarily have a greater capacity to produce milk, or anything).



Therefor, under classical evolution, large breasts are unfavorable to the human population and would be selected by the environment for reduction.

Yet, here they are.

Why?

In fact, this is somewhat unique among all other mammals on the planet. It is not as if humans had large boobs to begin with and the smaller breasted among us are the harbingers of evolution.

The answer is fairly simple within the Red Queen. For whatever reason, men decided they liked women with larger breasts - enough of them to skew things in that direction. Perhaps it was cognitive - men thought that a woman with larger breasts was better suited to child birth - or perhaps it was just a 'that looks different and I like different.'

The same can be said of the hip-waist ratio in women. It's well beyond what is necessary for healthy childbirth, and actually contributes to the rate of hip fractures for women. In fact, in more egalitarian populations, there is a lower hip/waist ratio among women, as the rate of hip fractures begins to weigh more heavily upon a woman's ability to survive until reproduction.

What causes homosexuality then, eh? Don't tell me it's learned.
It is a broader class of developmental disorder affecting neurology.

You could say: "It is learned" - but within the context of how neural networks 'learn' in the vein of Pavlov's Dog. Pavlov noticed that a dog would salivate upon being fed, and hypothesized that dogs would be able to salivate simply upon hearing a call to dinner. Sure enough - if one rang a bell before feeding a dog, then the dog could be 'taught' - or 'conditioned' - to salivate simply upon hearing the bell.

There are higher-order processes involved in this, but they all follow similar patterns that feed into each other.

This is why those who identify as homosexuals typically have been sexually abused - an incidence vastly greater than 50%. Various forms of abuse interrupt the natural development cycle of our neurology and generate abnormal concepts of identity and association.

Which is why I believe the haste to "identify" and "celebrate" homosexuals is more damaging than it is helpful. Given the above regarding teenage exploratory behavior, which is well documented in psychology studies looking into human behavior from the 1800s on up, it would be particularly damaging to put it into the heads of children that people "are" homosexual as an irreversible and born identity - as any arousal or behavior including the same *** would be interpreted as a sort of sentencing to homosexuality among people who have not yet developed sexuality in the first place.

Simply put - these 'mothers' who try to 'celebrate' the 'homosexuality' of their 10 year old child are effectively committing a form of psychological abuse, as sexuality has not even remotely developed in individuals 10 years old. Sexuality is developed between puberty and young adulthood.

While there may be genetic factors that bias the neurology of individuals toward one disorder or another - genetics do not provide a very strong argument for homosexuality.

The same liberal groups that argued 'sexuality is fluid' also want to argue that 'homosexuality is a born trait.' You can't have it both ways. Either sexuality is fluid and a concept that develops within the minds of people - or it is a born-in concept that is set by genetics (which is something that is currently proven false by current research).

Take your pick.
 

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Yea this is something I wouldn't want to put into.
If this was my daughter, I would have thought i failed as a parent from where I come from.
Then if my son came out I wouldn't just accept it, I would want a reason why. Even though alot of people would go against me because it is VIEWED wrong from society to accept the fact my BOY like other boys. I had have many gay and bi friends growing up and still till this day I trust. And one who almost killed himself for trying to cope the depressed state when life changes are unavoidable. He said he misses his friends and he liked spending time with us. Therefore the shrink said he was gay. He still likes girls and still loves to smash them but I just noticed he just like to spend time with guys for fun. While the girls he around with just wanna live life and have fun but do so how the media tells her how they should behave and believe which creates a line between man and women that constantly forces problems that ain't even there. As can already tell I take this q seriously because it's a deeply statement and therefore must have a in depth awnser. But in short, yes I would have a problem with my boy coming out and I would give him MY beliefs but let him live who he really loves.
 

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Aim64c eating the shit out of these arguments :lol

OT:assuming my children would do that (since they definitely won't be either with good raising inb4 insecure comments) I'd choose the pregnant daughter, there's a good chance that whichever mongrel impregnated her still loves her which I'm ok with
 

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This thread implies that there's something wrong with being a homosexual male, but that there doesn't seem to be anything remotely wrong with being a homosexual female.
Likewise, it implies that for an underage girl to be pregnant it's bad, but that it isn't wrong to be an underage boy who impregnates someone... "smh"
 

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This was honestly painful. The fact that people on here actually believe their son being gay is worse than a high school aged daughter potentially ruining the majority of her options with such a young pregnancy. Listen, your son is your son no matter his sexual orientation. If you wanna kick him out of your home and you won't accept him just because he likes men (God forbid), then he's not the one abandoning God.
 

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This was honestly painful. The fact that people on here actually believe their son being gay is worse than a high school aged daughter potentially ruining the majority of her options with such a young pregnancy. Listen, your son is your son no matter his sexual orientation. If you wanna kick him out of your home and you won't accept him just because he likes men (God forbid), then he's not the one abandoning God.
The question is 'which would you rather.'

The simple fact of the matter is that from an evolutionary standpoint, my existence as an organism is carried on in my children. Seven. There are currently seven main mutations in mitochondrial DNA that we all stem from. We all come from seven women. There were other women through history, but their legacy (at least as mothers) is extinct.

A similar pattern appears with the Y chromosome for males. We all stem from roughly 12 men. Ultimately, this can be traced back even further to a single hypothetical ancestor - but the preceding strains no longer exist.

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As an organism, I can do something about an untimely pregnancy. As the hypothetical grandparent, I can help raise the child and allow my daughter to focus on other things. Her life is not ruined by pregnancy. It may not be the most ideal thing in the world, but it is workable.

On the other hand - offspring that is homosexual throughout life will never carry on the hereditary legacy. The line dies out, or now my other sons and daughters have to survive to continue the legacy, as well. Multiple offspring is a hedge against risk, and a homosexual one constitutes a defacto loss.

Billions of years of evolutionary pressure are at play. It should come as no surprise that people would rather have a daughter with an early pregnancy than a son who will effectively void his existence in the grand scheme.

That is only part of the picture, true, and not everyone who claims homosexuality as a teenager ends up being homosexual for life... and by no means should anyone be treated poorly because they are homosexual. But the fact of the matter is that it doesn't make any sense for anyone to prefer the scenario by which their offspring nullifies not just his own existence, but yours, your parents', grandparents, etc.

It is, in terms of hereditary lines and evolution, the equivalent of saying: "would you rather have a kid who shoots himself in the foot or in the head?"

We can debate all day about what caused him to shoot himself - the fact is that any rational human being focusing on the bigger picture would prefer the kid who shoots himself in the foot over the one who shoots himself in the head.
 

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lol Can't believe people think having a 17 year old pregnant daughter is better than having a gay son. A pregnant daughter pretty much shows how you fail as a parent, you can't control your kid being gay, and it's not even that big a deal. So your kid is attracted to the same ***? Who cares! This homophobic agenda needs to stop! It's bad enough they're out committing suicide, sheesh. Your daughter is being a little thot if she got pregnant at 17, and I wouldn't be having it, but I don't believe in abortion. I can handle my son being gay, ideally if I accept him, he'll still have a better chance at life then a pregnant thot.
 

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lol Can't believe people think having a 17 year old pregnant daughter is better than having a gay son.
On the assumption that a 17 year old knows what he is talking about when he says he is gay and that he will remain gay...

It is entirely preferable to have a pregnant teenage daughter as opposed to a gay son.

The teenage daughter is going to produce grandchildren. Granted, it's early, but something that can be managed by a parent. I can be there for an untimely child.

A pregnant daughter pretty much shows how you fail as a parent, you can't control your kid being gay, and it's not even that big a deal.
Homosexuality correlates strongly with childhood abuse. It's sort of a big deal, as it is a fairly reliable indicator of abuse.

So your kid is attracted to the same ***? Who cares!
Well, as a parent, you had a kid because you wanted something to succeed you in life. A homosexual child kind of flips the bird at that idea.

This homophobic agenda needs to stop! It's bad enough they're out committing suicide, sheesh.
And they will continue to commit suicide. Homosexuality is a self-destructive pattern of behavior that emerges most typically from abuse. Homosexuality has a high correlation with sexual promiscuity, drug abuse, psychological disorders, and other risk groups... all of which is very similar to victims of sexual and physical abuse, in general.

Celebrating the pattern of behavior they have developed as a reflection of their inner-worth will not help them in the slightest.

Your daughter is being a little thot if she got pregnant at 17, and I wouldn't be having it, but I don't believe in abortion. I can handle my son being gay, ideally if I accept him, he'll still have a better chance at life then a pregnant thot.
Now who is being a judgmental prick?

So a girl got pregnant and she is 'damaged goods?' No one would want her? No future exists? She can't ever overcome obstacles in life?

Why do you have to attack the hypothetical girl in the situation in an attempt to make the hypothetical homosexual look more virtuous?

Both are likely victims of poor upbringing and both should be treated with compassion. The fact of the matter is that homosexuality is not a birth trait that can be identified at 17 years old with any kind of accuracy (even by the individual who claims it at the time). The other fact of the matter is that people were asked to prefer one or the other. Since most people believe the claim that homosexuality is a born identity, they are being asked to select which they would prefer from two options.

So what if they answered that they would prefer the gay son? Is that an attack against women? The 'war on women?' A misogynistic culture overly preoccupied with the sexual activities of a woman?

You would attempt to unify my people to fleeting ambitions of virtuous conquest...

I have come to divide your world between reality and deception.

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Lmao. People would rather kill an unborn child or have their 17 y/o daughter have her life almost ruined by a baby than have their son be gay. This really is a post for homophobes xD Just surprised by the amount of people who are that awful.
 
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