Naruto and sasuke stronger than madara? Poll

[RasenUchihaChaos]

We'll then I guess that means himawari is the strongest she one shotted naruto

And made bolt look like a little Beyotch

 

[Zawerni]

We'll then I guess that means himawari is the strongest she one shotted naruto

And made bolt look like a little Beyotch

Himawari one-shot Naruto, who negged Black Zetsu that negged Madara who negged the NV.

Conclusion, Himawari > Naruto, Black Zetsu, Madara, and NV.

 

[Ambivalence]

Movie are not reliable since they contradict the manga so much.

Movies (The Last and Boruto, I mean) are canon. Period. I don't remember any manga contradictions except Sasuke shutting off his Rinnegan and Naruto making a Shadow Clone as a kid (both of which were probably SP's mistakes), but the examples you provided below are anything but proving of that and at the end of the day, if it is written by Kishimoto it is indesputable.

Sasuke can´t be physicly equall to any SM use let alone RSM Naruto. Because of 2 reasons

1. He don´t have anything to buff his physical strength (SM,Kokuo steam ability,Gates )

2. In manga its clear his strength is perfectly normal like other charachters.In manga he never showed literally any strength feat.

And yet he did. RSM Naruto and Sasuke charged and arrived at the same time to Momoshiki, their hits were doing the exact same damage, visibly pounding him around the cliffs. Both Naruto and Sasuke weren't at their peak, so that wasn't even what their taijutsu was fully capable of. How exactly Sasuke is equal to RSM Naruto in strength output I'm not sure myself, but it happened, it's canon, and I can't ignore it, otherwise it'd literally be denying canon material for the sake of my own, fan-made beliefs... which is not what I want to do.

When he kicked Kille BEe ,Bee didn´t even feel it and he started to write down his rap.On the other side when 4 Raikage hit killer Bee ,Bee was send flying and bleeding.

Another example is when Mei said walls are sealed you can´t escape now .Sasuke had to use Susanoo hand in order to break that wall ,while Raikage smashed same wall with his bare hand.

This is completely irrelevant to anything since that was 3T Sasuke hitting Bee, and later MS Sasuke destroying that wall, while we're talking about Adult Rikudou Sasuke here. Two completely different versions strength-wise. It's like saying ''Oh, but Chidori can destroy a wall in Part 1, how does it make sense that it can vaporize a meteor now?'', and I think you can answer that question yourself.

Simply put, any feats of Naruto/Sasuke's before their Rikudou power up are totally irrelevant to their current selves, unless we're talking about logical downscaling of feats when debating about lesser versions of the two, which we are not - we're discussing current Naruto and Sasuke.

Movie =/= Manga

Here's another analogy: canon material = canon material. The manga is only superior to the Databook and novels, since both are written by his editors.

Are the two movies canon? Yes.

Do they show events that already happened in the manga in a different way, thus confusing us? No. They simply show the progression of Naruto and Sasuke beyond the manga, which basically means there is no way to contradict it, since it's dealing with entirely new rules, most notably the fact that N&S's growth over period of time cannot be measured accurately by any fan, which in turn means... that Kishimoto can set whatever the hell scale he wants, and we have no choice but to accept it as canon, which is exactly what happened. Yes, base Chidori can destroy meteors now. Yes, KCSM Naruto can tank a Moon-splitting attack. Yes, non-peak Naruto and Sasuke have god-like speed and strength and are equal in them. If it's there, it's canon.

Movies are like games full of BS.

Kishimoto has nothing to do with the games except occasionally drawing some art for fanfiction character jutsus, like Itachi's PS. Meanwhile, he wrote Boruto: The Movie and co-wrote The Last. Please don't compare the two.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Movies (The Last and Boruto, I mean) are canon. Period. I don't remember any manga contradictions except Sasuke shutting off his Rinnegan and Naruto making a Shadow Clone as a kid (both of which were probably SP's mistakes), but the examples you provided below are anything but proving of that and at the end of the day, if it is written by Kishimoto it is indesputable.



And yet he did. RSM Naruto and Sasuke charged and arrived at the same time to Momoshiki, their hits were doing the exact same damage, visibly pounding him around the cliffs. Both Naruto and Sasuke weren't at their peak, so that wasn't even what their taijutsu was fully capable of. How exactly Sasuke is equal to RSM Naruto in strength output I'm not sure myself, but it happened, it's canon, and I can't ignore it, otherwise it'd literally be denying canon material for the sake of my own, fan-made beliefs... which is not what I want to do.



This is completely irrelevant to anything since that was 3T Sasuke hitting Bee, and later MS Sasuke destroying that wall, while we're talking about Adult Rikudou Sasuke here. Two completely different versions strength-wise. It's like saying ''Oh, but Chidori can destroy a wall in Part 1, how does it make sense that it can vaporize a meteor now?'', and I think you can answer that question yourself.

Simply put, any feats of Naruto/Sasuke's before their Rikudou power up are totally irrelevant to their current selves, unless we're talking about logical downscaling of feats when debating about lesser versions of the two, which we are not - we're discussing current Naruto and Sasuke.



Here's another analogy: canon material = canon material. The manga is only superior to the Databook and novels, since both are written by his editors.

Are the two movies canon? Yes.

Do they show events that already happened in the manga in a different way, thus confusing us? No. They simply show the progression of Naruto and Sasuke beyond the manga, which basically means there is no way to contradict it, since it's dealing with entirely new rules, most notably the fact that N&S's growth over period of time cannot be measured accurately by any fan, which in turn means... that Kishimoto can set whatever the hell scale he wants, and we have no choice but to accept it as canon, which is exactly what happened. Yes, base Chidori can destroy meteors now. Yes, KCSM Naruto can tank a Moon-splitting attack. Yes, non-peak Naruto and Sasuke have god-like speed and strength and are equal in them. If it's there, it's canon.



Kishimoto has nothing to do with the games except occasionally drawing some art for fanfiction character jutsus, like Itachi's PS. Meanwhile, he wrote Boruto: The Movie and co-wrote The Last. Please don't compare the two.

First just to say that rikudo Sasuke and EMS have no difference is strength.

Sasuke recieved form Hagoromo :

A) Rinnegan which doesn˙t increase user physical strength (no feats or statements)

b) Seal which don´t increase his strength (no need for explanation)

c) His chakra and chakra don´t increase physical strenght (no need for explanation)

Also we indeed have feats of Rikudo Sasuke strength and thats when he fought Naruto in vote 2. His attacks carried strength of normal human and attack were comparable to Naruto´s and BTW Kishi turned off Naruto SM on purpose since with SM he would own him in taijutsu.


Now regarding movie . Movie is cannon but Kishi simply provided plot and Charachter design. Movie is not completely done by Kishi.

I am saying they simply forgot fact that Sasuke should´t have same strength as RSM naruto and thats completely understandable. That was negligence.Also you can´t expect them to turn attention to literally every small details like this.

I am just saying since it s clear this is negligence, you can´t use this as feat for Sasuke strength since its obvious his strength can´t be same as Naruto´s.

 

[Ambivalence]

I'm just going to ignore all the stuff about the movies because it's obvious we won't see eye-to-eye on this. I'll just disprove this..:

Movie is cannon but Kishi simply provided plot and Charachter design

Boruto: The Movie is done 100% by Kishi.

The Last was co-written by Kishi, meaning that it's mostly canon. Since we have no idea which parts of the movie were written by him and which were SP's input (which is just nitpicking anyways), we mostly assume all of it is canon. Then there's also the fact that he said it's canon himself, so... yeah.

First just to say that rikudo Sasuke and EMS have no difference is strength.

I hope you're joking with this.

c) His chakra and chakra don´t increase physical strenght (no need for explanation)

Might want to reread the manga, pal. Everything is based on chakra. Chakra affects stamina, speed, reactions and strength. Just going to drop

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, although it should've been obvious even before it. Then there's also the fact that Rikudou's chakra naturally contains Senjutsu, and adding the fact that half of Hagoromo's chakra is still a very large amount by itself means Sasuke got a significant boost in all of his stats.

Claiming that current Sasuke has the same strength as EMS Sasuke is ludicrous.

Also we indeed have feats of Rikudo Sasuke strength and thats when he fought Naruto in vote 2. His attacks carried strength of normal human and attack were comparable to Naruto´s and BTW Kishi turned off Naruto SM on purpose since with SM he would own him in taijutsu.

When did Sasuke use his strength in VoTE? You mean when both him and Naruto were exhausted as all hell, extremely low on chakra and pretty much fighting as basic shinobi? I hope you realize that's a bad example. Also, Kishi didn't ''turn off'' Naruto's SM, Naruto just wasn't given the chance to enter it since Sasuke was pressuring him.

you can´t use this as feat for Sasuke strength since its obvious his strength can´t be same as Naruto´s.

And yet it is. You can't go around that fact, and neither you nor anyone have an explanation to counter it. You're talking like I'm copy/pasting fan-fiction in my replies, when I'm only going by what canon material showed me. Just saying.

 

[Warlocks]

Himawari one-shot Naruto, who negged Black Zetsu that negged Madara who negged the NV.

Conclusion, Himawari > Naruto, Black Zetsu, Madara, and NV.

NOW WE NEED SOMEONE TO DIF Himawari TO BECOME STRONGEST:lol:

 

[KidGamer65]

:lol I love it when you people start crying about ''opinions'', even though manga facts and correct interpretations remove the need for opinions and only leave arguments and conclusions. But hey, I guess ''opinions'' is the consolidation word for the ones that can't do what I described, right? Please at least learn to differentiate opinion from conclusion.

And I don't need to calm down, since I was never angry to begin with. It'd take a lot more than that to anger me, I just have zero reason to behave nicely to people who know jack about the manga and write ridiculous one-liners with zero arguments, like ''Madara can high diff Naruto and Sasuke together''. Also, you started with the mocking tone first, so don't give me that crap.

Anyway, anything further will just turn into more bickering, so I'm stopping here. Believe what you want to believe, I'll stick to facts, thank you very much.

That's how you separate the illogical twits from the people who actually have something useful to contribute. :lol Someone always wants to cry about their opinion.

 

[Honord Sage]

Black Zetsu defeated Madara and Madara negged the NV. Conclusion, Black Zetsu is stronger than the NV

Black Zetsu work for His mother Kaguya Who is more powerful than Black Zetsu.

 

[bowflex]

That's how you separate the illogical twits from the people who actually have something useful to contribute. :lol Someone always wants to cry about their opinion.

MmmmmmhhMyGod, why u still going? Cry about opinion?, literally most the topics are opinion based, what do you contribute? You get mad and start bashing people in half your debates. Stay salty more people agree with me, take the L and move on.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Black Zetsu work for His mother Kaguya Who is more powerful than Black Zetsu.

Why you edit his post himawari is stronger then kaguya don't hide from manga facts

 

[Honord Sage]

Why you edit his post himawari is stronger then kaguya don’t hide from manga facts

Non Sequitor!

 

[kiiro]

Full power and experience and inmortal >> Partial Power, mortals

 

[KidGamer65]

MmmmmmhhMyGod, why u still going? Cry about opinion?, literally most the topics are opinion based, what do you contribute? You get mad and start bashing people in half your debates. Stay salty more people agree with me, take the L and move on.

Lol I thought you were going to put me on ignore dumbass kid?

 

[KingHashirama]

1. Kaguya
2. 3-eyed Madara
3. Hagoromo

Neither Naruto or Sasuke are beating the 3 in a fight.

Sasuke's Rikudou PS would by now be > Madara's. Sasuke's Rinnegan > Madara's. Considering the power up his Chidori went through in 2 years (from small-hill level to meteor-level), Sasuke should easily be able to replicate the same CT feat and ''imagine all his other attacks'' going through the same powerscale the Chidori went through. As shown in the movie, Sasuke is also apparently equal in speed and physical ability as 100% RSM Naruto who is > VoTE 2 Naruto who is > Kaguya Fight Naruto who is > Madara Fight Naruto, who Naruto's reactions is canonically stated to be on par or greater than, meaning that he's more or less in the same speed department as well.

This is sooo dumb. The Rinnegan that is powered by the Juubi itself and on top of that is powered by amount of Kaguya's chakra as well.. will always be stronger than a Rinnegan that is not powered by the Juubi itself.


@Bold...... uhhhh not even possible.

As far as the versions of Naruto that come close to the sheer power that Madara has...

The Naruto who faced Madara+ Kaguya > Any version of Naruto afterwards. No other version of Naruto, matches Madara's power.. infact even that Naruto can't match Madara's sheer power.

The Naruto who faced Madara and Kaguya, was also stronger than the Naruto who was at VOTE 2. Only difference is at VOTE 2, he had the chance to show more 1 vs 1 feats, as he wasn't getting dominated by someone superior to him.

 

[bowflex]

This is sooo dumb. The Rinnegan that is powered by the Juubi itself and on top of that is powered by amount of Kaguya's chakra as well.. will always be stronger than a Rinnegan who is not powered by the Juubi itself.


@Bold...... uhhhh not even possible.

As far as the versions of Naruto that come close to the sheer power that Madara has...

The Naruto who faced Madara+ Kaguya > Any version of Naruto afterwards. No other version of Naruto, matches Madara's power.. infact even that Naruto can't match Madara's sheer power.

The Naruto who faced Madara and Kaguya, was also stronger than the Naruto who was at VOTE 2. Only difference is at VOTE 2, he had the chance to show more 1 vs 1 feats, as he wasn't getting dominated by someone superior to him.

i agree with this

 

[TheSages456]

neither naruto or sasuke individually approach rinnesharingan madara in power. not feat wise considering that it took both of them to clear madaras meteor shower and not portrayal wise considering that rinnesharingan madara was stated to have replicated hagoromos true power.