Biggest DBZ nerf.

[Ripple Hole]

By far the biggest nerf is Saiyan's ability to come back stronger.
Vegeta lowers his defense and takes a puny blast from Krillan and
comes back within seconds after being healed from Pickle Boy then
he's flowing with much more power.

Take Picke Boy ---> put Pickle Boy in time chamber with Goku & Gohancock;
Let them blast each other & repeat a year worth of improving that already
had amazing outcomes in just seconds.

Wallamagix.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Yea in that case Goku after 2 weeks>Whis
Doing same thing 100x per day LOL

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Naruto can get stronger by training with shadow clones but he doesn't really train like that. That's almost as big of a nerf, I think.

 

[Cyber]

Dear God no. A saiyans zenkai boost can raise their power more than 30 times the original power level (Goku was at 90,000 then went to 3,000,000 which is 33.333x) so imagine that every say, 5-10 seconds for a whole year

 

[SSU]

Well if they continued to do that then what is the point of training? Remember what we learned early in the manga/anime, power levels are BS.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Pickle boy is new Senzu Bean

 

[BrillyMac]

Naruto can get stronger by training with shadow clones but he doesn't really train like that. That's almost as big of a nerf, I think.

This. Exactly I this. I always think the same thing

 

[FreakensteinAG]

I think you're confusing nerf with buff. Nerfing is the term used when a character gets weaker.

 

[Ripple Hole]

I think you're confusing nerf with buff. Nerfing is the term used when a character gets weaker.

I'm confusing the term with restriction, not buff.

 

[AndreJNZ]

Yeah. I realized this was forgotten or ignored.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Considering that Goku went from kicking Ginyu Force's ass to kicking 2% Final Form Frieza's ass, that makes sense. However, Gohan was about as strong as Dodoria and barely gotten stronger. His rage was able to get 2nd Form Frieza though. I can see why Power Levels are inconsistent. Otherwise, they wouldn't need the Time Chamber to beat the Androids. Maybe on Cell though.

 

[Tyris]

Gohan... everyone who knows should know enough that they need to know enough of dbz to know this is already known.

 

[Nick01]

Do they still get the boost even after achieving ssj?

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

If they factored in Zenkai, then Vegeta would've been massively stronger at the point of the cell saga. 18's Beating would've made him Android Level. Training would've given him a few Zenkai, making him Semi Perfect Cell level, without the whole Super Vegeta, which would've brought him up to Perfect Cell level of not more after being beaten by cell.

I always thought the whole "Full Power Super Saiyan" thing was dumb, because, in theory, they didn't get any stronger, they just got sustainable, so Goku should've been below Super Vegeta and Trunks at that point. It was just a way to be lazy.

 

[jondaimederp]

yeah. I realized this was forgotten or ignored.

a fellow south african

 

[Karna]

They only become stronger when they are pushed to their limits- both physically and emotionally, remember Goku said that power comes from necessity not will and that's even how kid Gohan first an ss(kid) and then later ss2(against cell) thus becoming stronger. I mean whenever those saiyans demonstrate power up it's always because of their feels- vegeta against Beerus(BoG), gohan against Raditz, Fieiza, etc.

My point: That's how this coming back stronger seems to work- via feels, imo.

 

[Dark Sonic]

If they factored in Zenkai, then Vegeta would've been massively stronger at the point of the cell saga. 18's Beating would've made him Android Level. Training would've given him a few Zenkai, making him Semi Perfect Cell level, without the whole Super Vegeta, which would've brought him up to Perfect Cell level of not more after being beaten by cell.

I always thought the whole "Full Power Super Saiyan" thing was dumb, because, in theory, they didn't get any stronger, they just got sustainable, so Goku should've been below Super Vegeta and Trunks at that point. It was just a way to be lazy.

Vegeta didn't train properly. He most likely didn't spar with Trunks either. Goku actually balanced his training and makes sure not to risk hurting himself in order to get the right amount of training.

 

[AndreJNZ]

a fellow south african

Ahuh.....