Kakuzu vs Sandaime Raikage

[Brother Numpsay]

1- Naruto is not faster than V2 Ay.

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[KingHashirama]

Raikage got up like instantly after that attack before Edo regeneration kicked in. FOH

looll.."instantly"..more fan-fic.

Oh my, he got up from scars like nothing, as an Edo tensei.. clearly that explains the "his body with raiton armor > Frs".

 

[EZQ]

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Hey yesterday i side stepped a football ball. I'm faster than it



Shit logic is shit logic,

Naruto is fast enough to dodge raikage's fastest punch. He isn't fast enough to escape from v1 Ay, meaning he isn't faster than v2 Ay

 

[Zexion~]

The fact that Naruto stated that only after he saw him react to his FRS not actually show any "speed" persay.

 

[Lord Tywin]

looll.."instantly"..more fan-fic.

Raikage is hit

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Literally stands up right after the attack is finished

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Raikage fighting with little cracks on his body, with no evidence of hindrance in his movements

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You don't see any edo regeneration being in effect. You don't see any flakes coming towards raikage's body to repair his body. The same thing happens with raikage's alive body. FRS literally does jack to Raikage.

 

[KidGamer65]

:lol First Madara can punch holes in Bijuu, now Naruto isn't faster than Ay? Naruto can't escape from V1 Ay, yet he escaped from V2 Ay?

He isn't fast enough to escape from v1 Ay

R.I.P Logic.

And your example is pure ass since Naruto didn't sidestep Ay, he Shunshin'd all the way around Ay's fist and 5 meters behind him before a max speed Ay could touch him and did so AS AY PUNCHED THE CLIFF. Not after. If Naruto can run all the way around Ay and stop 5 meters away from him before he can hit him and smash that cliff then Naruto is obviously faster than Ay.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Hey yesterday i side stepped a football ball. I'm faster than it



Shit logic is shit logic,

Naruto is fast enough to dodge raikage's fastest punch. He isn't fast enough to escape from v1 Ay, meaning he isn't faster than v2 Ay

And people were talking shit when I said I don't want this guy as a judge.

 

[EZQ]

:lol First Madara can punch holes in Bijuu, now Naruto isn't faster than Ay? Naruto can't escape from V1 Ay, yet he escaped from V2 Ay?



R.I.P Logic.

And your example is pure ass since Naruto didn't sidestep Ay, he Shunshin'd all the way around Ay's fist and 5 meters behind him before a max speed Ay could touch him and did so AS AY PUNCHED THE CLIFF. Not after. If Naruto can run all the way around Ay and stop 5 meters away from him before he can hit him and smash that cliff then Naruto is obviously faster than Ay.

Lmao, more shit logic.

He side stepped v2 Ay who went on a straight attack against him. He couldn't escape when Ay was chasing. Totally different. It's like dodging a faster missile but not being able to escape a slower but homing missile.

"And your example is pure ass since Naruto didn't sidestep Ay, he Shunshin'd all the way around Ay's fist and 5 meters behind him before a max speed Ay could touch him and did so AS AY PUNCHED THE CLIFF. Not after. If Naruto can run all the way around Ay and stop 5 meters away from him before he can hit him and smash that cliff then Naruto is obviously faster than Ay."

No, he could get out of Ay's range before the hit hit him. Whatever happened next is irrelevant. If Naruto got out of Ay's short range in time, then it's enough. After that he went 5 mts behind them, but again is irrelevant

When Ay showed to be chasing naruto (meaning it's not a straight attack you can get away easely from) Naruto was cornered

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Ay charged at him and Naruto got out of his range at last moment (meaning all he had to do was to move from point A (initial) from B (Ay's back).

That distance got larger because Ay kept going forward against the rock

 

[EZQ]

And people were talking shit when I said I don't want this guy as a judge.

Smh

Could i see your argument please?

 

[Lord Tywin]

smh what argument? It literally slaps you in the face if you look at it.

 

[EZQ]

smh what argument? It literally slaps you in the face if you look at it.

The argument you have to say mine is not legit.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao, more shit logic.

He side stepped v2 Ay who went on a straight attack against him. He couldn't escape when Ay was chasing. Totally different. It's like dodging a faster missile but not being able to escape a slower but homing missile.

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The amount of stupidity in your posts is mind numbing. No offense.

1. Ay's Shunshin are always straight on attacks. Period. The only difference between V2 Ay's final attack, and V1 Ay chasing after Naruto is the speed. If Naruto didn't step his speed up then obviously he wouldn't be able to avoid V2 Ay, which was the whole point of the confrontation. Why don't you try doing this thing I like to call...."Reading the Manga"?

-Naruto tries to get past Ay.
-Ay follows him in V1 and knocks him back.

-Naruto tries to get past Ay again.
-Ay charges him again, but in V2 this time.
-Naruto uses Shunshin and outspeeds him.

Stop trying to compare this to a homing missile when Ay moved in a straight line both times. :lol

2. Stop talking about this side stepped BS garbage that you pulled out of your arse when I and the Manga have already explained what happened. Do I have to show you what sidestepping is? In fact, I think I will.

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=Sidestepping.

Running around Ay's punch and appearing 5 meters away from him before he can even hit the cliff isn't sidestepping.

side·step
ˈsīdˌstep/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: sidestepping
avoid (someone or something) by stepping sideways.

Dictionary states "Avoid by stepping sideways".

Didn't know that Naruto using Shunshin to circle around Ay, thus traveling a distance a good ways above 5 meters, to evade his punch was him stepping to the side.

No, he could get out of Ay's range before the hit hit him. Whatever happened next is irrelevant. If Naruto got out of Ay's short range in time, then it's enough. After that he went 5 mts behind them, but again is irrelevant

Wrong and you sound dumb. If Naruto can travel that much distance before Ay can travel from where Naruto was to the cliff, then Naruto is faster than him. Can we start using Common sense plz?

The funniest part of this post is either you saying Naruto sidestepped Ay, or that Ay "chasing" Naruto in V1 means that he wasn't moving in a straight line when Manga shows that he was. Or maybe it's you implying that you can't chase something in a straight movement. :lol :lol :lol My sides.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ay charged at him and Naruto got out of his range at last moment (meaning all he had to do was to move from point A (initial) from B (Ay's back).

That distance got larger because Ay kept going forward against the rock

-Ay charges.
-Naruto, at the last moment, Shunshin's around Ay and ends up 5 meters away from him. Meaning he traveled far more than 5 meters since he'd have to go around, and then still end up 5 meters away from Ay in the end.
-Naruto did this all before Ay could hit him, and as Ay was hitting the cliff. If they were the same speed then Naruto wouldn't have traveled that far as Ay was hitting the cliff.

No, that distance got larger because Naruto evaded Ay. Ay only obliterated part of the cliff, he didn't burrow deep into it or any nonsense like that.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Naruto starts running

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A moment later Ay starts running

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Both Naruto and Ay are moving, meaning neither are standing still. Ay attacks Naruto with his top speed, then Naruto dodges it. What it means? Naruto's foot speed surpassed Ay's, letting him dodged Ay.

 

[EZQ]

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The amount of stupidity in your posts is mind numbing. No offense.

1. Ay's Shunshin are always straight on attacks. Period. The only difference between V2 Ay's final attack, and V1 Ay chasing after Naruto is the speed. If Naruto didn't step his speed up then obviously he wouldn't be able to avoid V2 Ay, which was the whole point of the confrontation. Why don't you try doing this thing I like to call...."Reading the Manga"?

What's with the bold? Did it hurt tu pull that out of your ass?
I just posted a scan of him chasing Naruto with sunshin. He can change direction with his v1 speed as he could keep changing directions according to where Naruto was going. Hasn't shown to do that in v2.

-Naruto tries to get past Ay.
-Ay follows him in V1 and knocks him back.

Thus it wasn't a straight attack, because Ay had no way to know where Naruto would be next, meaning he followed him. If he did that with a straight sunshin he'd had to calculate naruto's final position once he reaches him.

-Naruto tries to get past Ay again.
-Ay charges him again, but in V2 this time.
-Naruto uses Shunshin and outspeeds him.

Naruto moves to Ay's back, and Ay keeps going straight until he punches the wall. Naruto covered a shorter distance than Ay, and he ended up being 5 mts away because Ay made that distance larger.

If Naruto had outspeeded Ay, he'd had to cover the same distance on the same amount of time, which he didn't, since he only got out of Ay's range

Stop trying to compare this to a homing missile when Ay moved in a straight line both times. :lol

2. Stop talking about this side stepped BS garbage that you pulled out of your arse when I and the Manga have already explained what happened. Do I have to show you what sidestepping is? In fact, I think I will.

I used the term sidestep as to make clear Naruto covered a short distance to get out of the range of the punch.

Running around Ay's punch and appearing 5 meters away from him before he can even hit the cliff isn't sidestepping.

Running around? How can you run around a people sized object? If you make two steps a side then you're already out of range, lol.

-He ended up being 5 mts away because the distance increased when Ay kept going all the way to the rock
-Covering 2-3 mts at a speed enough to get out of a small range =/= being faster than Ay in v2

Dictionary states "Avoid by stepping sideways".

You know why i used that word

Didn't know that Naruto using Shunshin to circle around Ay, thus traveling a distance a good ways above 5 meters, to evade his punch was him stepping to the side.

Circle around Ay? Sure boy. He moved a side (obviously, since he can't phase trough him) and then advanced a little more. The distance he had to cover to get out of Ay's range was small. Period.

Wrong and you sound dumb. If Naruto can travel that much distance before Ay can travel from where Naruto was to the cliff, then Naruto is faster than him. Can we start using Common sense plz?

And you keep with the "that much distance" bullshit, lmao. Naruto moving a few steps a side would put him safe, then the distance increases because Ay is further from where he was when Naruto dodges

The funniest part of this post is either you saying Naruto sidestepped Ay, or that Ay "chasing" Naruto in V1 means that he wasn't moving in a straight line when Manga shows that he was. Or maybe it's you implying that you can't chase something in a straight movement. :lol :lol :lol My sides.

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Oh, what's that? A chase on a non-straight line? Whoops.

Ay in v1 is able to change the course of his sunshin, hence that's why he could reach Naruto. Once he went full speed, the only thing Naruto needed to do was to get out of his range, since Ay wouldn't be able to change the direction

 

[EZQ]

Naruto starts running

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A moment later Ay starts running

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Both Naruto and Ay are moving, meaning neither are standing still. Ay attacks Naruto with his top speed, then Naruto dodges it. What it means? Naruto's foot speed surpassed Ay's, letting him dodged Ay.

Smh. So if i can dodge a football, am i faster than it? It's the same shit i just adressed.

 

[EZQ]

-Ay charges.
-Naruto, at the last moment, Shunshin's around Ay and ends up 5 meters away from him. Meaning he traveled far more than 5 meters since he'd have to go around, and then still end up 5 meters away from Ay in the end.
-Naruto did this all before Ay could hit him, and as Ay was hitting the cliff. If they were the same speed then Naruto wouldn't have traveled that far as Ay was hitting the cliff.

No, that distance got larger because Naruto evaded Ay. Ay only obliterated part of the cliff, he didn't burrow deep into it or any nonsense like that.

Didn't say that. Naruto was a few mts away from the rock when he dodged it. That's the mts difference we see later (plus the few mts Naruto made on his own)

And i'm still laughing at the "naruto sunshin'd around ay" bs. Lmao. If he made one step to the right then he's already out of range. So this only helps your argument in 1 step added onto naruto's sunshin.

 

[Lord Tywin]

:lol Naruto being compared to yellow flash is really all that is need to be said here

 

[DrProof]

Dodai reacted to him, he never outsped him. He's just as fast as V1 Ay, who's speed is canonically stated to be impressive.

And no, he can't win.

No, Dodai did outspeed the Raikage.

Footspeed

However, he also managed to completely out-speed both the Raikage, and Naruto in combative/foot-speed . "He made it look like I was surrounded by the rubber ball and then he pulled me away and

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Dodai not only has severe reaction speed, but foot speed as well. The sequence in which he did the above quote is as shown:

• Sandaime Raikage less than seconds from impact.
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• Dodai reacts, surrounding Naruto in the rubber ball.
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• Dodai quickly pulls Naruto out, and hides behind a rock.
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• Sandaime Raikage punches an empty rubber ball.
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Reacting, and movement speed are two different things. Reacting = Dodai recognizing the situation + acting on it with his jutsu. Movement = Getting out of harms way before the opponent can register etc etc.

Dodai not only quickly pulled Naruto out of the Rubber Ball, but concealed himself behind the nearest rock without the Raikage taking notice. That bro is movement speed.

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Regarding the Kakuzu vs Raikage. I disagree, the only thing the Raikage has shown is nukite. This defeats Domu yes, but Domu isn't the only technique in Kakuzu's arsenal. Not sure if this is OC or IC however, Kakuzu himself could act as a decoy, allowing the Raikage to impale him acting as a distraction (we've seen the Raikage be fooled before eg; Dodai) the wind mask could/would strike momentarily breaking down his lightning armor, which then would leave him open for a Raiton: Gian, or Katon: Zukokku.

Either way, Elemental barrages imo would wear, and tear down the Sandaime Raikage, giving Kakuzu the win.

Another thing however, is that the Raikage has no way of actually hitting Kakuzu's heart(s). Entering CQC with Kakuzu is stupendous his body is made of 99.99% Tendrils (0.1% being the heart(s)). This means the Raikage if using nukite would simply impale tendrils, basically impaling nothing. However, if the Raikage chose to strike in a slicing motion the tendrils would be severed, but as we've seen many times Kakuzu can reproduce neigh infinite amounts (depending on his chakra input of course).

Basically it''d come down to who has the most stamina. They're both around the same level imo again.

Offtopic: Icelerate don't dislike my post bruh. Don't ride the wave, and base your ideals on others ideologies.

 

[EZQ]

:lol Naruto being compared to yellow flash is really all that is need to be said here

Oh, not posting an argument.

Cool