MS Madara vs Kisame

[ToshiZO]

Cant see Madara losing this.

Kisame = top 3 most overrated character in this forum. Lol @ EMS Madara being debateable.

 

[Zexion~]

EMS Madara? Questionable?

:lol Oh boy.

Without Kyubi .-.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Without Kyubi .-.

He still molests Kisame lmao.

 

[Zexion~]

Smh

If you all say so :lol

 

[DrProof]

This would be a savage battle.

 

[KidGamer65]

Without Kyubi .-.

Yes, because that makes it better. :lol Not to mention I was talking about Madara alone.

#thewankisreal

 

[Beans2]

Depends on the size of MS Madara's V4. Though I can see it being smaller than EMS Madara's due to the chakra potency increasing with EMS, I still think it would be pretty huge. Repeated Susanoo slashes can enable him to break out of the water dome via Susanoo and cut GSB in half before it eats Susanoo. Madara wins high difficulty.

 

[Varrah]

Madara would win, he has the better repertoire. The effects of the Mangekyō Sharingan, particularly its capacity to strengthen the Sharingan's base abilities, insight and hypnosis, more so the insight, would increase Madara's reaction time which would in turn increase Madara's speed and ability to boost his speed with chakra: we've seen a regular Sharingan do this and play a crucial part during Kakashi's Raikiri endeavors, and three-tomoe'd Sharingan increase the reaction time or reflexive abilities of Sasuke way back during Sasuke's first bout with Naruto at the Valley of The End; we also Itachi utilizing this particular aspect of the Sharingan, specifically, the Mangekyō Sharingan, during his fight against Kabuto in conjunction with clones and clones feint that resulted in a situation where Itachi created a bunshin that charged Kabuto as he himself shunshin'ing behind the clone to attack Kabuto. ​

 

[Beans2]

Madara would win, he has the better repertoire. The effects of the Mangekyō Sharingan, particularly its capacity to strengthen the Sharingan's base abilities, insight and hypnosis, more so the insight, would increase Madara's reaction time which would in turn increase Madara's speed and ability to boost his speed with chakra: we've seen a regular Sharingan do this and play a crucial part during Kakashi's Raikiri endeavors, and three-tomoe'd Sharingan increase the reaction time or reflexive abilities of Sasuke way back during Sasuke's first bout with Naruto at the Valley of The End; we also Itachi utilizing this particular aspect of the Sharingan, specifically, the Mangekyō Sharingan, during his fight against Kabuto in conjunction with clones and clones feint that resulted in a situation where Itachi created a bunshin that charged Kabuto as he himself shunshin'ing behind the clone to attack Kabuto. ​

Just curious, how do reactions or speed help Madara win this battle?

 

[Apêx1]

Madara would win, he has the better repertoire. The effects of the Mangekyō Sharingan, particularly its capacity to strengthen the Sharingan's base abilities, insight and hypnosis, more so the insight, would increase Madara's reaction time which would in turn increase Madara's speed and ability to boost his speed with chakra: we've seen a regular Sharingan do this and play a crucial part during Kakashi's Raikiri endeavors, and three-tomoe'd Sharingan increase the reaction time or reflexive abilities of Sasuke way back during Sasuke's first bout with Naruto at the Valley of The End; we also Itachi utilizing this particular aspect of the Sharingan, specifically, the Mangekyō Sharingan, during his fight against Kabuto in conjunction with clones and clones feint that resulted in a situation where Itachi created a bunshin that charged Kabuto as he himself shunshin'ing behind the clone to attack Kabuto. ​

I thought this sentence would never end. Btw I disagree with reaction speed having much relevance in this fight, Kisame's huge AOE basically nullifies that.

 

[DrProof]

I thought this sentence would never end. Btw I disagree with reaction speed having much relevance in this fight, Kisame's huge AOE basically nullifies that.

When people believe reaction, and speed > Massive AOE techniques. Lmaoo.

 

[Zexion~]

I thought this sentence would never end. Btw I disagree with reaction speed having much relevance in this fight, Kisame's huge AOE basically nullifies that.

When people believe reaction, and speed > Massive AOE techniques. Lmaoo.

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[DrProof]

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Kakuzu uses Katon: Zukokku + Atsugai. The blast radius is too large.

Someone says Kakashi can dodge because he has superior reaction, and speed.

Your answer is:

 

[Zexion~]

Kakuzu uses Katon: Zukokku + Atsugai. The blast radius is too large.

Someone says Kakashi can dodge because he has superior reaction, and speed.

Your answer is:

Thats my point bro :lol

Everyone always claims that with Kakuzu's jutsu, despite them being faster and arguably larger than Kisame's damaging ones....

 

[DrProof]

Thats my point bro :lol

Everyone always claims that with Kakuzu's jutsu, despite them being faster and arguably larger than Kisame's damaging ones....

Why you ain't say that then foo. But yeah, it's pretty stupid logic to think you can point blank dodge something that amasses a huge radius in milliseconds. I mean unless you're a God Tier ninja (which MS Madara isn't) you aren't dodging shit like that.

 

[Zexion~]

Why you ain't say that then foo. But yeah, it's pretty stupid logic to think you can point blank dodge something that amasses a huge radius in milliseconds. I mean unless you're a God Tier ninja (which MS Madara isn't) you aren't dodging shit like that.

Honestly you can look at "point blank" in two different ways depeneding on the technique, with one as large as Kakuzu's fuuton, you can make the argument that there is less required distance to avoid the jutsu if you are close to its spawning point (move around it) wheras a jutsu like Gian that is extremely fast would be deadlier at closer range (notice how Kishi used it from 30 meters).

Anyways Kakashi still did it so that ****s up life :lol

 

[Varrah]

Just curious, how do reactions or speed help Madara win this battle?

I thought this sentence would never end. Btw I disagree with reaction speed having much relevance in this fight, Kisame's huge AOE basically nullifies that.

When people believe reaction, and speed > Massive AOE techniques. Lmaoo.

For the aforementioned reasons: any event resting upon reactions or speed in general, such as, the activation of jutsu, Madara wins due to the Mangekyō Sharingan capacity to strengthen the core abilities of the Sharingan. The Mangekyō Sharingan perceptive abilities enables it user to preemptively strike an opponent if the user has the ability or abilities to do so. [

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[Edit] — If anyone has walked away with the quoted belief, then they have severely misunderstood me.​

Kakuzu uses Katon: Zukokku + Atsugai. The blast radius is too large.

Someone says Kakashi can dodge because he has superior reaction, and speed.

Your answer is:

[continue edit] — I am not saying "Madara will dodge all of Kisame's large AOE because he has superior reaction and speed." I am saying that "Madara should be able to prepare or react accordingly to Kisame's attacks given Madara's own abilities, the capacities of the Mangekyō Sharingan, Madara's mastery of the Mangekyō Sharingan, and the effects the capacities of the Mangekyō Sharingan have on Madara's abilities, particularly his reflexive ability."​

 

[Lord Tywin]

Kakuzu uses Katon: Zukokku + Atsugai. The blast radius is too large.

Someone says Kakashi can dodge because he has superior reaction, and speed.

Your answer is:

Going underground shits on that , which comes down to Kakashi being able to react in time to perform his technique.

 

[DrProof]

Going underground shits on that , which comes down to Kakashi being able to react in time to perform his technique.

Of course your dumbass thinks we're directly talking about Kakuzu vs Kakashi. :|

 

[Lord Tywin]

Of course your dumbass thinks we're directly talking about Kakuzu vs Kakashi. :|

no pleb I just thought I needed to say something to hopeful Kakuzu "fans" U_U