Base Hashirama vs Akatsuki trio

[KidGamer65]

That's not the best trio

Include Deidara, Nagato and itachi (if you include Obito, replace Itachi).

They need huge distractions in order for Deidara to sneak in for the kill.

Outside of The organization, I still say Deidara, Garra and Muu/Onoki defeat base Hashirama

SN: Hashirama defeats Nagato w/ moderate diff?!? Nagato doesn't get his credit, Nagato pushes base Hashirama high difficulty.

Yes, he beats Nagato with moderate difficulty.

Lol tNagato starts the fight with Bansho Tenin and Obito follows up with Juubi sized Katon, it's not like they have to wait for Hashirama to pull out every construct in his arsenal. Also, Chou Shinra Tensei can turn this into BFR, a concentrated one shits on Hashirama's defences and sends him to the Arctic.

Then Hashirama just uses Mokuton to catch himself (or he makes a dome around himself) and uses it to block Obito's attack, so no, that off the bat strategy doesn't work. :lol

And no, CST is tanked by Hobi with ease. I really hope by concentrated you don't mean that fanfic stuff Zex is talking about.

 

[Apêx1]

Yes, he beats Nagato with moderate difficulty.



Then Hashirama just uses Mokuton to catch himself (or he makes a dome around himself) and uses it to block Obito's attack, so no, that off the bat strategy doesn't work. :lol

And no, CST is tanked by Hobi with ease. I really hope by concentrated you don't mean that fanfic stuff Zex is talking about.

The Mokuton is not going to halt him in the same way Kakashi's chain could not halt him, he'll keep moving because the pull is far too strong for him to resist it. If he forms a dome around himself then Obito would have no reason to use the Katon. Hashirama will have no vision and Itachi either lights the dome on fire with Amaterasu or Susano sword chops Hashirama in half.

It's not fan-fic, ST works in the same way CST works, with the ONLY difference being power exerted into the jutsu. Naruto outright STATES that. So if Nagato has used concentrated regular ST's then he can use concentrated CST, it's non-debatable. And no, Hobi is definitely not tanking that level of impact, the energy output of a single TBB in contact with the Hobi would be incomparably weaker to the CST's force exertion onto the Hobi.

 

[KidGamer65]

The Mokuton is not going to halt him in the same way Kakashi's chain could not halt him, he'll keep moving because the pull is far too strong for him to resist it. If he forms a dome around himself then Obito would have no reason to use the Katon. Hashirama will have no vision and Itachi either lights the dome on fire with Amaterasu or Susano sword chops Hashirama in half.

Except Kakashi's chain didn't hold him because:

1. He had to hold it with his arms. Mokuton can wrap around Hashirama's body or it can come straight from his body.
2. Mokuton tendrils>>>Kakashi's chain.

The dome strategy doesn't work for the simple fact that Itachi isn't cutting through what tanked Bijuu Dama with near zero damage. Lighting the dome on fire with Amaterasu literally does nothing since Hashirama is inside and safe from the fire. Then there's the fact that Hashirama can sense chakra, so yeah, none of this ever works.

:lol Drop this strategy. It'll obviously get you nowhere.

It's not fan-fic, ST works in the same way CST works, with the ONLY difference being power exerted into the jutsu. Naruto outright STATES that. So if Nagato has used concentrated regular ST's then he can use concentrated CST, it's non-debatable. And no, Hobi is definitely not tanking that level of impact, the energy output of a single TBB in contact with the Hobi would be incomparably weaker to the CST's force exertion onto the Hobi.

No, it's fanfiction. Period. Nagato controls the amount of force in the jutsu. More force=Bigger AoE. The only thing Nagato has ever been shown to control is the direction he sends the force in. Period. There is no "condense the force onto a single person". Not shown. Not hinted at. Not stated.

There is no "regular concentrated Shinra Tensei". Just an assumption from you. Shinra Tensei has only ever affected one person because that's the amount of force he decided to use for said targets.

Hobi tanks CST with little to moderate damage.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hobi tanks CST with little to moderate damage.

KG, Databook states that Hobi is Mokuton mixture w/ Fuinjutsu. It enables it to seal and suppress chakra it encounters. Which is explains why it tanked the blast force of a TBB.

Wood Release: Hōbi Technique (Mokuton: Hōbi no Jutsu|木遁: 榜排の術)

The flame of the beast is eaten by Hashirama's sealing technique. Taking advantage of the nature of Mokuton, the attack is weakened. At the same time, the user hides inside the wood demon whilst the fierce attack of the tailed beast is warded off.

What suggest it does the same to a force with no chakra in it? Which also failed to seal a chakra sword being used physically?

 

[Beans2]

@KidGamer: Why doesn't Obito just warp Nagato into kamui, phase through Hobi, then when Hashirama is in clear view he warps Nagato back who used FCST on him?

What if Itachi gets EMS with all its benefits minus PS? Nagato gets mobility, Obito gets Rinnegan with V2 Jins.

 

[Apêx1]

Except Kakashi's chain didn't hold him because:

1. He had to hold it with his arms. Mokuton can wrap around Hashirama's body or it can come straight from his body.
2. Mokuton tendrils>>>Kakashi's chain.

The dome strategy doesn't work for the simple fact that Itachi isn't cutting through what tanked Bijuu Dama with near zero damage. Lighting the dome on fire with Amaterasu literally does nothing since Hashirama is inside and safe from the fire. Then there's the fact that Hashirama can sense chakra, so yeah, none of this ever works.

:lol Drop this strategy. It'll obviously get you nowhere.

What the hell? All Mokuton is NOT the same. His Wood Dragon got destroyed by the impact of a TBB and Madara's Mokuton has been destroyed via Odama Rasengan's. All Mokuton can NOT tank a TBB smh. Amaterasu burns right through the Mokuton, and with ease at that. Sensing chakra won't mean anything here, people need to understand that sensing does not automatically make you capable of fighting with no vision. If Itachi decides to hit him with his Susano sword then Hashirama won't be doing anything with his 'sensory skills'.

No, it's fanfiction. Period. Nagato controls the amount of force in the jutsu. More force=Bigger AoE. The only thing Nagato has ever been shown to control is the direction he sends the force in. Period. There is no "condense the force onto a single person". Not shown. Not hinted at. Not stated.

There is no "regular concentrated Shinra Tensei". Just an assumption from you. Shinra Tensei has only ever affected one person because that's the amount of force he decided to use for said targets.

Hobi tanks CST with little to moderate damage.

Uh what? He has obviously done this in the past

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, or I wouldn't be saying he can do it on a larger scale. It's not a fan fiction, it's a FACT. Please look at the amount of trees which flew away, and then look later on in the location in which Bee is residing, the area was not devastated because it was concentrated onto a small area.

 

[KidGamer65]

What the hell? All Mokuton is NOT the same. His Wood Dragon got destroyed by the impact of a TBB and Madara's Mokuton has been destroyed via Odama Rasengan's. All Mokuton can NOT tank a TBB smh. Amaterasu burns right through the Mokuton, and with ease at that. Sensing chakra won't mean anything here, people need to understand that sensing does not automatically make you capable of fighting with no vision. If Itachi decides to hit him with his Susano sword then Hashirama won't be doing anything with his 'sensory skills'.

Why don't you use your brain, and realize that the only dome that Hashirama has that can tank a Bijuu Dama is obviously what I was referring to? :lol Jesus Christ.

Sensing means that he'll know what is approaching him and from what direction. Where did I say or imply he'd have to fight actively without vision? If he knows something is approaching him, he takes the appropriate steps to dodge. Like I said, drop this idiotic argument. The only way any of what you are saying begins to make sense is if Hashirama sits there in his dome while he can sense Itachi approaching his position, instead of taking measures to:

-Open his dome and evade.
-Simply create Mokuton to block from his dome.
-Simply overpower Itachi with pretty much any of his jutsu that have a name.

Your strategy is terrible and it shouldn't even have gone past the first post tbh. The notion that BT and Katon/Susanoo Sword kills Hashirama from the jump is nonsense in itself.

Uh what? He has obviously done this in the past

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, or I wouldn't be saying he can do it on a larger scale. It's not a fan fiction, it's a FACT. Please look at the amount of trees which flew away, and then look later on in the location in which Bee is residing, the area was not devastated because it was concentrated onto a small area.

Wrong again. What's even funnier is that your post proves my point. That's him using Shinra Tensei in a single direction, not him focusing Shinra Tensei onto a single person. (hence him wrecking the trees in the process of pushing B away) So if you and Zexion want to promote this "CST on on person" BS, I highly suggest you start looking for real Manga evidence, though I can't really expect you to do so since no real Manga evidence exists.

 

[KidGamer65]

@KidGamer: Why doesn't Obito just warp Nagato into kamui, phase through Hobi, then when Hashirama is in clear view he warps Nagato back who used FCST on him?

What if Itachi gets EMS with all its benefits minus PS? Nagato gets mobility, Obito gets Rinnegan with V2 Jins.

There is no point in doing any of this because Hashirama isn't going to sit there and camp in Hobi. Hobi is just to block himself from being caught by Bansho Tennin. Nothing more, nothing less. Unless Obito is fast enough to warp Nagato, and himself into the Kamui dimension, and then warp himself and Nagato behind Hashirama before Hashirama removes his dome, this strategy doesn't work.

Then they would win by a landslide since Base Hashirama might not even beat Obito alone let alone Obito+Nagato+EMS Itachi w/ Legged Susanoo. SM Hashirama steamrolls them though.

 

[KidGamer65]

KG, Databook states that Hobi is Mokuton mixture w/ Fuinjutsu. It enables it to seal and suppress chakra it encounters. Which is explains why it tanked the blast force of a TBB.




What suggest it does the same to a force with no chakra in it? Which also failed to seal a chakra sword being used physically?

Good point. Though:

1. The attack is weakened, though we don't know by how much.
2. Hobi never failed to "seal" a chakra sword as it never made contact with Madara's blade.

So I don't really know if it can protect Hashirama from CST. It all depends on how strong it becomes when focused into a single direction, and how weakened the BD got when it hit Hobi.

 

[Apêx1]

Why don't you use your brain, and realize that the only dome that Hashirama has that can tank a Bijuu Dama is obviously what I was referring to? :lol Jesus Christ.

When you want Vodka do you ask for a distillation of water and Ethanol? No, you say Vodka. It's much easier for you to refer to the 'dome' as Hobi instead of a 'dome', because it's pretty simple to mistake it for the half dome Yamato created, except in this case it'd be engulfing him completely. Anyways, since when can Hashirama create Mokuton constructs without making contact with the floor? Is there any proof you can refer to where someone had Mokuton come out of the ground while he wasn't touching Mokuton or the ground?

Sensing means that he'll know what is approaching him and from what direction. Where did I say or imply he'd have to fight actively without vision? If he knows something is approaching him, he takes the appropriate steps to dodge. Like I said, drop this idiotic argument. The only way any of what you are saying begins to make sense is if Hashirama sits there in his dome while he can sense Itachi approaching his position, instead of taking measures to:

-Open his dome and evade.
-Simply create Mokuton to block from his dome.
-Simply overpower Itachi with pretty much any of his jutsu that have a name.

Yes, if the Dome can be brought up without contact with the floor then I already know Hashirama wins.

Your strategy is terrible and it shouldn't even have gone past the first post tbh. The notion that BT and Katon/Susanoo Sword kills Hashirama from the jump is nonsense in itself.

I'll agree if you give me reason to believe Hashirama can use Mokuton from the ground without being on it.

Wrong again. What's even funnier is that your post proves my point. That's him using Shinra Tensei in a single direction, not him focusing Shinra Tensei onto a single person. (hence him wrecking the trees in the process of pushing B away) So if you and Zexion want to promote this "CST on on person" BS, I highly suggest you start looking for real Manga evidence, though I can't really expect you to do so since no real Manga evidence exists.

Wait what? I never suggested he can use it on a single person though? I'm simply saying he can concentrate it into one direction, ie it carries the combined force of what it would in a radial ST. Zex is saying he can have the CST appear on a single person's height/structure/locus only?

 

[KidGamer65]

When you want Vodka do you ask for a distillation of water and Ethanol? No, you say Vodka. It's much easier for you to refer to the 'dome' as Hobi instead of a 'dome', because it's pretty simple to mistake it for the half dome Yamato created, except in this case it'd be engulfing him completely. Anyways, since when can Hashirama create Mokuton constructs without making contact with the floor? Is there any proof you can refer to where someone had Mokuton come out of the ground while he wasn't touching Mokuton or the ground?

Lol Dn't try to make it seem like your misinterpretation of what I said is my fault. Hashirama has only shown one Mokuton dome. That along with me saying "tank Bijuu Dama" it should've been extremely and painfully obvious that I was referring to the dome Hashirama used in the Manga that canonically tanked Bijuu Dama, and not some other dome.

Mokuton is controlled via chakra just how Gaara's Sand is. Gaara doesn't need contact with the floor to control Sand on the floor. Besides, Mokuton can be formed from the body or the ground, so in the end it doesn't really matter if he can't use Mokuton while in the air.

Wait what? I never suggested he can use it on a single person though? I'm simply saying he can concentrate it into one direction, ie it carries the combined force of what it would in a radial ST. Zex is saying he can have the CST appear on a single person's height/structure/locus only?

:lol That's what I said in my post, that he can focus it in a single direction, so why'd you respond arguing against that? And yeah, Zex is basically saying that he can condense Shinra Tensei onto a single person.

 

[Apêx1]

Lol Dn't try to make it seem like your misinterpretation of what I said is my fault. Hashirama has only shown one Mokuton dome. That along with me saying "tank Bijuu Dama" it should've been extremely and painfully obvious that I was referring to the dome Hashirama used in the Manga that canonically tanked Bijuu Dama, and not some other dome.

Mokuton is controlled via chakra just how Gaara's Sand is. Gaara doesn't need contact with the floor to control Sand on the floor. Besides, Mokuton can be formed from the body or the ground, so in the end it doesn't really matter if he can't use Mokuton while in the air.

Why would I argue that not all Mokuton is the same as a counter-argument? You don't see me people saying Madara's purple attack wins, you actually refer to it as Susano and thus there's nothing left to misconstrue. Although I'll agree that you saying it tanked BD was supposed to make it pretty clear, I thought that implied all Mokuton were capable of doing so.

Pretty sure nothing compares to Mokuton since Hashirama actually has to imbue life into the plants. And lol.. So now Hashirama can create Hobi from the Mokuton that stems out of his body? I'm not really getting what you are saying when you say "it doesn't matter if he can use Mokuton in the air" because it obviously does.

:lol That's what I said in my post, that he can focus it in a single direction, so why'd you respond arguing against that? And yeah, Zex is basically saying that he can condense Shinra Tensei onto a single person.

I assumed when you said concentrate it on a single person that you meant in the direction/vicinity of one person. I didn't think Zex was actually claiming onto a single 180cm frame.

 

[KidGamer65]

Pretty sure nothing compares to Mokuton since Hashirama actually has to imbue life into the plants. And lol.. So now Hashirama can create Hobi from the Mokuton that stems out of his body? I'm not really getting what you are saying when you say "it doesn't matter if he can use Mokuton in the air" because it obviously does.

No, chakra acts as it's life force. He puts in chakra, and plants grow. Gaara puts in chakra, and gets to control sand. So it's the same exact thing.

I never said he creates Hobi from his body, I said that he sprouts Mokuton from his body and digs it into the ground to prevent himself from being reeled in by Bansho Tennin.

I assumed when you said concentrate it on a single person that you meant in the direction/vicinity of one person. I didn't think Zex was actually claiming onto a single 180cm frame.

Yeah, he meant a single 180cm frame. :lol