War arc Kakashi vs Kakuzu

[Apêx1]

AGAIN BLLOCKING AND DODGING IS NOT THE SAME. pick one. Dont say and dismiss both.

Oh wow, you truly are retarded. Kakashi BLOCKED with Suiton and then tried to DODGE with speed. How fuking stupid are you. And I NEVER said he tried to dodge Gian, I know he can, smh.

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DAtabook craps on all of the bold:
And i quote:
See if you can find a shread of speed hype pertaining to his other attacks. I'll wait.

And YES HE OUTSPED IT. He was behind kakazu(and by extension his masks) when gian was used against shikamaru(who are infront of kakazu) yet moved in front of both kakazu, the masks, and the actual attack to protect shikamaru.

And I am still waiting for proof of it being the fastest. You bringing me DB statements saying hyperboles does not mean jack lmfao. The prep alone allowed Shikamaru to pull out a scroll and Ino to shout a warning. The prep is slow and the bolt is featless, the end. And ok, Kakashi is faster then Gian. What does this mean for you though? Nothing as being faster then it has little significance in this fight.

i'm guessing those are imaginary figures. youre math is incorrect. kakashi had to move gian's distance and how ever far he was behind kakazu in a shorter frame than gian itself to stop it.

You can clearly see Kakashi is right there

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jumping up and behind to stop the Gian. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that he was behind Kakuzu smh.

Lol anything and everything conducts electricity if the electricity is strong enough. Theres no such thing as a perfect insulator and there'as no hints to kakazu's body being an insulator. And no lightening shadow clone doesn't use half of kakashi's chakra. It was a lightening clone, and earth wall, 3 raikiri's and a lightning hound that brought kakashi to 50% that was pre war arc.

Exactly. Now what exactly are this jutsu's voltage feats? His Raiton Bunshin electrocuted someone made from metal and even he survived just fine, not sure why I should believe his Raiton Beast has comparable chakra. Yet somehow he's going to electrocute and kill Kakuzu? Nice joke. @bold, please learn your favorite character in the manga, the Lightning Shadow Clone is a Shadow clone and takes 50% of his chakra as he himself stated in his fight with Deva. Refer to VIZ, he said spent over half my chakra [

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thats it's only use here. defense. He isn't beating kakashi in straight taijutsu(no thread) and there's nothing leading to him being able to use it in conjunction with threads.

Um what? He only Domu's his hand while the threads leave from any other body part. Stop appealing to ignorance just to stall an argument.

He outsped him during the wind combo.
I'm not gonna continue arguing with you if you can't tell the difference between dodge and block.

LOL. Hidan was on par the entire time, stop making up random fan fic speeds.
Alright, you're the dumbass for not knowing he did both smfh.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kakuzu starting with all 5 hearts has no reason to fight desperately like against Naruto. So no replicating Naruto scenario isn't going to work. I would give the benefit of a doubt that Raiton Bushin might catch 1 death. But that still requires the debaters how he will do it.

I don't see how a 1v1 caused him to fight desperate. Naruto simply analyzed how many clones(with his skill level) are necessary to distract him in order to land the kill. It worked. Twice. After breaking los standard clone gives kakashi his first kill( like it would have for naruto. Then a now wiser kakazu falls for it again(poping what he know is a clone only to get shocked and kakashi capitalizes on)

Which mind as well be shut, like canon.

it was never shutdown in cannon, bucause it was never employed in cannon. The only thing that is cannon is the fact that there's a delay in which we both agreed to.
do you know how many things can be done while kakazu's actual body lies there lifeless?
If the masks are still in:
Kakashi simply stabs him again the moment he comes back to life. Domu wont stop raikiri and he can use borderline 10 of em.

If the masks are out:
Kakazu's body isn't moving until at least 1 mask gets in,and its safe to say kakashi is far faster than the masks he can intercept them with lightning dog,water wall or with raikiri blade(which kills).
Booby trap kakazu's body so that when they do return they simply blow the fck up.[and don't say he can't if he could get kakazu's blood without noticing(while he's alive mind you) im sure he can strap a paper bomb to the inside of the hole he put in kakazu's chest while he's temporarily dead.
Summon his dogs to play keep away with kakazu's body( or rip it to shreds) while he destroys the remaining masks.
Use the body as a human shield if they attempt to attack while he's in the vicinity of the body, further harming kakazu himself. get kakazu's blood or get his blood on kakazu to open up the possibility of tracking fang in the future.


etc etc etc.

@Bold: Baseless. As much as I could assume Base Guy can keep 6 tails BM at bay/interference. Plus the fact that the V2 meet up with Saiken in the same spot, while Kakashi already meet up with Guy.

they both had to. Its either kakashi by himself vs the 3. Or kakashi and guy vs the 3 and a full bijuu. either way it looking up for him.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Oh wow, you truly are retarded. Kakashi BLOCKED with Suiton and then tried to DODGE with speed. How fuking stupid are you. And I NEVER said he tried to dodge Gian, I know he can, smh.

So he tried to dodge with speed from midair....


YOu heard it here folks. Kakashi can fly.

Yeah stop replying to me.

 

[Apêx1]

So he tried to dodge with speed from midair....


YOu heard it here folks. Kakashi can fly.

Yeah stop replying to me.

Kids, we call this type of person a retard.

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[BenjerminGaye]

Kids, we call this type of person a retard.

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DUMBASS THATS KAKAZU!!!!

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Kakashi's body remained in the air the entire time.

 

[EZQ]

So he tried to dodge with speed from midair....


YOu heard it here folks. Kakashi can fly.

Yeah stop replying to me.

Kakashi dodged Atsugai while mid-air

Don't ask me how.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kakashi dodged Atsugai while mid-air

Don't ask me how.

He can easily use hidan or his sythe as a launching point for leverage.

 

[Apêx1]

DUMBASS THATS KAKAZU!!!!

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Kakashi's body remained in the air the entire time.

Lmfao. I shall self proclaim retard in this situation.

Kakashi dodged Atsugai while mid-air

Don't ask me how.

You've been saying this for a while now, I looked into it and Hashirama also dodged TBB's while free-falling lmfao.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I don't see how a 1v1 caused him to fight desperate. Naruto simply analyzed how many clones(with his skill level) are necessary to distract him in order to land the kill. It worked. Twice. After breaking los standard clone gives kakashi his first kill( like it would have for naruto. Then a now wiser kakazu falls for it again(poping what he know is a clone only to get shocked and kakashi capitalizes on)

Because he was scared of FRS[

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], thats when he started getting worried. Kakuzu is not scared of Raikri so he can go off of with a clear conscience. More access to jutsus means more options of countering Clones.

it was never shutdown in cannon, bucause it was never employed in cannon. The only thing that is cannon is the fact that there's a delay in which we both agreed to.
do you know how many things can be done while kakazu's actual body lies there lifeless?
If the masks are still in:

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Kakashi simply stabs him again the moment he comes back to life. Domu wont stop raikiri and he can use borderline 10 of em.

Nope gets kicked in the gut for trying. Or whatever he did, canon[

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If the masks are out:
Kakazu's body isn't moving until at least 1 mask gets in,and its safe to say kakashi is far faster than the masks he can intercept them with lightning dog,water wall or with raikiri blade(which kills).

Except he didnt so via link above.. And if he did, his jutsu gets overpowered, clashed (blocks LoS) and gets Kakuzu underground. And thats assuming Kakuzu think having all 4 hearts out is the best decision.

Booby trap kakazu's body so that when they do return they simply blow the fck up.[and don't say he can't if he could get kakazu's blood without noticing(while he's alive mind you) im sure he can strap a paper bomb to the inside of the hole he put in kakazu's chest while he's temporarily dead.

Interesting counter. Kakuzu would need to blow off Kakashi's utility and armor to avoid that one.

Summon his dogs to play keep away with kakazu's body( or rip it to shreds) while he destroys the remaining masks.
Use the body as a human shield if they attempt to attack while he's in the vicinity of the body, further harming kakazu himself. get kakazu's blood or get his blood on kakazu to open up the possibility of tracking fang in the future.

Based on what that the dogs would beat and over power hearts?

they both had to. Its either kakashi by himself vs the 3. Or kakashi and guy vs the 3 and a full bijuu. either way it looking up for him.

Nope Seiken didnt move an inch from his position both Jins, Kakashi, and Guy stayed post their positions. Nothing implies this speed boost period.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kakuzu is just a terrible match-up for Kakashi. Kakuzu wins since Kakashi can't deal with his CQC or large scale Ninjutsu, and this time Kakuzu also gets his Doton heart.

Kakuzu himself is the doton he lost his suiton heart.​

 

[Zexion~]

Fuuton has instant activation and the much much larger range :lol, its obviously the fastest based on feasts due to the fact it grew THAT large in about a second or less, but Gian from less than 25 meters would obviously be harder to dodge than it used from the distance it was in the manga.

Also its a lot of time to activate raikiri which takes less than a second.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Because he was scared of FRS[

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And then we wasn't scared of it anymore...

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and still got clapped.

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that's choji's fault as seen in the scan prior to it, and kakshi was pulling threads out of his chest, which he wouldn't be doing if he just got done pulling his hand out of kakazu's chest.

Nope gets kicked in the gut for trying. Or whatever he did, canon[

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noo. kakashi just stabs him. I already explained why he got kicked, and you don't know what went down for him to get stuck in the threads. I wouldn't go assuming its a result of taijutsu.

Except he didnt so via link above..

explained above.

And if he did, his jutsu gets overpowered, clashed (blocks LoS) and gets Kakuzu underground. And thats assuming Kakuzu think having all 4 hearts out is the best decision.

i don't see them overpowerering raikiri kunai, and kakashi can just move with kakazu's body.

Interesting counter. Kakuzu would need to blow off Kakashi's utility and armor to avoid that one.

ok

Based on what that the dogs would beat and over power hearts?

i said play keep away, I.E. running away with kakazu's body the the blood is to hold kakazu in place to help land another raikiri.

Nope Seiken didnt move an inch from his position both Jins, Kakashi, and Guy stayed post their positions. Nothing implies this speed boost period.

no they didn't jins were next to saiken by the end. Were as they started off oppisite to each other.

Fuuton has instant activation and the much much larger range :lol, its obviously the fastest based on feasts due to the fact it grew THAT large in about a second or less, but Gian from less than 25 meters would obviously be harder to dodge than it used from the distance it was in the manga.

Also its a lot of time to activate raikiri which takes less than a second.

no zex. Stop with the wank. Nothing in data book or manga implies that, its anywhere near fast, where as gian as 2 accounts referring to its speed.

 

[Curse Mark]

Is Kakashi stronger than Base Naruto? That determines the outcome of the match .

please be joking KG

 

[Lord Tywin]

It is that time of the month again.....*sigh*

Why would it make him vulnerable to Lightning Wolf? lmfao. Are we forgetting the presence of his Futon mask, or do you think Kakuzu's masks can only fight one at a time? Tendrils pierce the shit out of Kakashi's eyes or brain and it's the end from there. And assume that Lightning Wolf works and the Doton heart dies, Kakashi still gets pierced by Gian from behind and dies lmfao. Rofl at your counter though. Kakashi's Earth Wall is not blocking a single attack from the attacks that Kakuzu uses. Gian can pierce right into the ground too, so after the first time Kakashi dodges some attack by going under ground, the next time he does that Gian is waiting for him. And if it doesn't, well Kakashi has to get out of the ground sometime too, or he'll end up depleting his chakra hiding. Tendrils either shit on Kakashi while he's under ground or the second he comes out.

Why would Kakuzu using tendrils to bind Kakashi make him vulnerable? Because:
1. Kakuzu has to be extremely close to Kakashi

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2. Kakashi shits on Kakuzu within this distance with lightning wolf. It could close the distance between Kakashi and Pain in an instant

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Kakuzu is toast in that distance
Wind mask is dodged, or tanked with low to zero damage, like in canon.

Tendrils couldn't do shit here

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But sure Tendrils can kill Kakashi. Any version of Kakuzu's tendrils except his butterfly mode is dodged at a mid to far range. Kakuzu's butterfly mode tendrils are cut through with raiden.

Earth wall is a perfect counter to Kakuzu's elemental techniques. Due to their large aoe, Kakuzu has no idea what is going on to the opponent in front of him. Like how he had no idea Kakashi had survived his wind mask combo with Hidan.

Kakuzu tries a large scale technique>Will lose sight of kakashi>Kakashi makes an earth wall>Immediately goes underground before the wall is destroyed. Read and don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say Earth wall would tank Kakuzu's techniques. I said Kakashi makes an earth wall AND will go underground.
Kakuzu would have no idea where Kakashi is at while underground, so any technique would be a waste of his chakra. Kakashi could pop up anywhere he wants. First time he could go for Kakuzu himself, and next time he goes for whatever he wants. Gian is humiliated like it was in canon. Kakashi outran it from god knows how many meters away. Gian ain't shit.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Ok. Either way when threads like this happens, im sure we go by rational stipulation via default. Reasonable distance, manga intel, no location advantage.

Sure. That's what I think as well, manga intel, neutral locale, etc.

Dont put words in my mouth. I said I am going by canon, so I am going what canon showed. Kakashi analyzed the situation and couldnt think of a situation where Kakuzu doesn't get revive. So please explained to me how now?

Or maybe, if we go back to the moment when the hearts came rushing back to Kakuzu's body, we saw Chouji take initiative and attempt to destroy them. How does Kakashi's lack of action indicate anything? If you honestly think that Raikiri Chain or Raikiri Wolf, techniques shown long after those chapters, wouldn't damage or dispatch these masks, the manga itself portrays otherwise [

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The element masks can still use jutsu. They chase him away from Kakuzu's body, then re enter it. Kakashi doesnt have a way to completely obliterate Kakuzu's body seeing how FRS didn't, so he can't take him down with one strike.

Is there any substantive evidence within the manga or the databooks that point to Kakuzu's masks being able to use jutsu by themselves? With Kakuzu incapacitated and rendered unable to weave seals and knead chakra? Without those jutsus, these masks can't do anything except run away or try to grab Kakashi with those threads.

 

[DrProof]

Is there any substantive evidence within the manga or the databooks that point to Kakuzu's masks being able to use jutsu by themselves? With Kakuzu incapacitated and rendered unable to weave seals and knead chakra? Without those jutsus, these masks can't do anything except run away or try to grab Kakashi with those threads.

The masks can. They're all connected to Kakuzu, similar to Pain is connected to Nagato. His chakra constantly circulates between the entities. Basically they can be seen as "extra Kakuzu". If movement can be performed while Kakuzu had "presumably" died, Jutsu can as well.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

And then we wasn't scared of it anymore...

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and still got clapped.

He wasn't scared because he thought of a way to prevent landing on him. But end with it underestimating Naruto. Either way doesn't change my point. More Mask means more viability of dealing with clones.

that's choji's fault as seen in the scan prior to it, and kakshi was pulling threads out of his chest, which he wouldn't be doing if he just got done pulling his hand out of kakazu's chest.

Choji's fault not relevant. Kakashi saw a heart reviving Kakuzu indicates he is self aware he can do nothing at that point. So this "delay" Kakashi has is not working.

noo. kakashi just stabs him. I already explained why he got kicked, and you don't know what went down for him to get stuck in the threads. I wouldn't go assuming its a result of taijutsu.

Kakashi stabs hims and needs to do it again. Canon shows Kakuzu has enough time counter Kakashi when getting revived. I was making fun of the kicking part. Its only pointing out that Kakuzu can react to Kakashi, even in that situation.

i don't see them overpowerering raikiri kunai, and kakashi can just move with kakazu's body.

1. Strategy falls when Kakuzu keeps 1 extra heart with him (the featless one) and only leaves out the other 3 (Raiton, Futon, and Katon)
2. A Kunai is useless if it cant aim accurately at the heart inside Jingou(s).
3. Futon overpowers it
4. Gian can end both Kakashi and Kakuzu(which is useless piercing Kakuzu's body anyway) if he holds and moves his body.

i said play keep away, I.E. running away with kakazu's body the the blood is to hold kakazu in place to help land another raikiri.

They can travel underground so its not helping.

no they didn't jins were next to saiken by the end. Were as they started off oppisite to each other.

Which you have no evidence that during their time away from Seiken, they attempt to overwhelm Kakashi in CQC. Not by feats, when he was struggling against 1 he engaged (chap 566). No reason to believe he can do better performance then KCM Naruto.

Or maybe, if we go back to the moment when the hearts came rushing back to Kakuzu's body, we saw Chouji take initiative and attempt to destroy them. How does Kakashi's lack of action indicate anything? If you honestly think that Raikiri Chain or Raikiri Wolf, techniques shown long after those chapters, wouldn't damage or dispatch these masks, the manga itself portrays otherwise [

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Raikiri Chain is useless when it doesnt cut a heart. Splitting Jingou parts is irrelevant and doesnt stop them. Plus Futon
Raikiri Wolf (DB stats) once lands uses electrocution. Kakashi still has to kill during electrocution time. Futon or going underground stops those though.

Proof brought up why they can use ninjutsu. Plus the fact that they have feats of being used with no hand seals.

 

[Zexion~]

And then we wasn't scared of it anymore...

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and still got clapped.




that's choji's fault as seen in the scan prior to it, and kakshi was pulling threads out of his chest, which he wouldn't be doing if he just got done pulling his hand out of kakazu's chest.



noo. kakashi just stabs him. I already explained why he got kicked, and you don't know what went down for him to get stuck in the threads. I wouldn't go assuming its a result of taijutsu.



explained above.
i don't see them overpowerering raikiri kunai, and kakashi can just move with kakazu's body.



ok



i said play keep away, I.E. running away with kakazu's body the the blood is to hold kakazu in place to help land another raikiri.



no they didn't jins were next to saiken by the end. Were as they started off oppisite to each other.



no zex. Stop with the wank. Nothing in data book or manga implies that, its anywhere near fast, where as gian as 2 accounts referring to its speed.

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"expelled suddenly, extremely difficult to anticipate"

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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"expelled suddenly, extremely difficult to anticipate"

"Difficult to anticipate" doesn't really compare to:

"Flying at high speed"
Or databook usual :
"In an instant"


@Bother Numpsay. I'll reply tomorrow.

 

[Zexion~]

Why do I care about the DB??


It is larger and reached its max AoE quicker than Raiton did seeing as Kakashi barely avoided it.