War arc Kakashi vs Kakuzu

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Which isn't possible without you explaining how he'll be bypassing the AOE attacks first along with fending off Kakuzu from the other side.. Last time Kakashi tried to block/evade a large scale jutsu he got fuked by Kakuzu himself
He already out spead kakazu's fastest attack gian. Dont write Block/evade as if they are the same thing. They aren't. kakashi said he cant block it he never said anything about being able to out speed it.

This will be the case for everything that happens. Also, here's something for you Kakashi got blitzed by Tendrils even though he had his Sharingan up, and even claims it was too fast.. Let's stop with this bullshit about Kakashi having done well vs Kakuzu, Kakuzu stomped them all and every time they were on the verge of death somebody saved them. War Arc Kakashi doesn't offer much else, and this time he's alone without all the people helping him. So assume Kakashi closes the distance.. 1. Kakuzu's tendrils blitz. 2. Kakuzu has Domu to one shot Kakashi while Kakashi can't do anything about it. He can go for the heart but he'll still take the hit and possibly the tendrils. 3. Some mask shits on him. This is a mid diff fight and there's literally no argument anyone can put up to give Kakashi the victory here, and this is coming from someone who argues pretty often for Kakashi's side even when chances are slim.


1)Lightling shadow clone deals with threads OR threads get cut by raikiri with ease
2) domu? to 1 shot when its defense?lol stop.
3)Masks aren't shit when he's outspeeding both masks and hidan at the same damn time.
 

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Its like you guys don't realize how much kakashi was forced to sandbang in that fight.
Wasting 2 raikiri's on gian,
not ONCE using any form of clone despite clones being his M.O. since forever.
He himself holding off on kamui

i can go on. The master tactician of 1000 ninjutsu's only uses 2 ninjutsu in the ENTIRE fight. What?
 

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Logically Kakuzu's threads should conduct electricity which makes it even worse for Kakuzu as once Kakashi releases lighning chakra and Kakuzu is in touch with him he gets electroshocked. It makes mid diff win for Kakashi after a second thought.
Yet Kakashi didn't elect to do so when put grasped by them twice before.....Since when does wire conduct electricity anyways? Its an insulator.
 

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Yet Kakashi didn't elect to do so when put grasped by them twice before.....Since when does wire conduct electricity anyways? Its an insulator.
Kakuzu's threads are not ordinary threads :|
They could fix Hidan's head and Deidara's arms so effective that they could move them again. Moving happens through electicity waves that flows in nerve system, but we can see that said threads can operate the same way as they make lost body parts move again. So logically they conduct electricity.
 

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don't make me turn you into a liar. Both hidan and kakazu noted shikamaru(and his justu(which is silent by the way)) and dodged accordingly. While kakashi's raikiri(sounds like chirping birds and loud as fck) was completely hidden from him. LIKE HE ALREADY ADMITTED.
above and he already did.
Dont bother with empty threats. Irrelevant, since this isnt a fight starting with Kakashi hiding and back stabbing.

What proof do you have that joining hearts increases speed? Since when did kakashi say he couldn't out speed it? Last is checked he said he couldn't quell it.
Except I never implied that. Manga shows Kakuzu grabbing Kakashi from avoiding Hearts, therefore same thing happens here.



not only is kakashi a master strategist, neither the kick nor him getting caught in the cords was a result of direct confrontation. The kick was a result of him focusing on a different opponent, and the cords was a result of him being in the air.
Kakashi being a strategist is my point. You can't simply say he beats Domu, like in canon, without suggesting how he gets through Kakuzu first. So ifs for you to argue what strategy would Kakashi use to succeed




Except he didn't have intel. They only had intel on hidan. Sooo....

Re read 335, starting on page 5.


no its quite fact. Keeping up with multiple v2 jins(that have joint vision, and matched bee in base) for an extended period of time means his speed increased. It's unreasonable to think his speed stayed the same for 200+ chapters.
Nope that doesnt mean anything, being able to keep up with V2 jins should be something in his speed level (since Oro and Kakashi carry the same speed level in DB). So nothing suggest Kakashi couldnt keep up against KN4 Naruto like Orochimaru could
 

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pretty use he'd get shocked too, along with ino and chouji the second time around. but hey
What? Why would he be shocked the first time if he's channeling lightning through the threads was Sasuke shocked when he did the same to Deidara?

Kakuzu's threads are not ordinary threads :|
They could fix Hidan's head and Deidara's arms so effective that they could move them again. Moving happens through electicity waves that flows in nerve system, but we can see that said threads can operate the same way as they make lost body parts move again. So logically they conduct electricity.
That ....means nothing, they are clearly wiry in nature and have shown no reason to conduct electricity when it came into contact with it in the manga. Kakashi isn't a Hyuuga so he can't simulate what Neji did to Kidomaru even though I know everyone likes to use that as a reference.
 

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Dont bother with empty threats. Irrelevant, since this isnt a fight starting with Kakashi hiding and back stabbing.
Irrelevant. One los is lost kakazu is unaware of his presence. Simple as that.



Except I never implied that. Manga shows Kakuzu grabbing Kakashi from avoiding Hearts, therefore same thing happens here.
except u did. If hes able to outspeed them and their attacks while separated why would he get caught when they are together? He has no reason top block it this time. team 10 isn't here.





Kakashi being a strategist is my point. You can't simply say he beats Domu, like in canon, without suggesting how he gets through Kakuzu first. So ifs for you to argue what strategy would Kakashi use to succeed
You're not understanding. Im saying domu isn't a viable defense. Its effectively useless here. Strat or no strat.







Re read 335, starting on page 5.
He says nothing about the delay tho. Show me a scan of him drawing that conclusion(which would be inconclusive at that point since he only killed him once). Exactly. No intel. Where as it's safe to draw that conclusion after kakazu's second death.




Nope that doesnt mean anything, being able to keep up with V2 jins should be something in his speed level (since Oro and Kakashi carry the same speed level in DB). So nothing suggest Kakashi couldnt keep up against KN4 Naruto like Orochimaru could
kepping up with 1 v2 jin isn't the same as keeping up with 4. Especially when they have precognition and joint vision. So no its not equal.

What? Why would he be shocked the first time if he's channeling lightning through the threads was Sasuke shocked when he did the same to Deidara?
Because its inside his body and not wrapped around his legs. :|

As seen with sasuke vs deidara(sasuke chidori'd himself)
Sasuke and suigetsu vs bee( suigetsu shocked as well.
 
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Irrelevant. One los is lost kakazu is unaware of his presence. Simple as that.



except u did. If hes able to outspeed them and their attacks while separated why would he get caught when they are together? He has no reason top block it this time. team 10 isn't here.





You're not understanding. Im saying domu isn't a viable defense. Its effectively useless here. Strat or no strat.







He says nothing about the delay tho. Show me a scan of him drawing that conclusion(which would be inconclusive at that point since he only killed him once). Exactly. No intel. Where as it's safe to draw that conclusion after kakazu's second death.




kepping up with 1 v2 jin isn't the same as keeping up with 4. Especially when they have precognition and joint vision. So no its not equal.



Because its inside his body and not wrapped around his legs. :|

As seen with sasuke vs deidara(sasuke chidori'd himself)
Sasuke and suigetsu vs bee( suigetsu shocked as well.
It grabbed his arms and legs first, slammed him to the ground then Kakuzu tried pulling out the heart with threads, he had plenty of time smh.
 

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He already out spead kakazu's fastest attack gian. Dont write Block/evade as if they are the same thing. They aren't. kakashi said he cant block it he never said anything about being able to out speed it.
I suggest you learn to read before you reply to me. I said block/evade and clearly linked the Katon+Futon combo. Gian being the fastest does not mean it's the hardest to dodge. You can side-step it, you can't side step large scale AOE. And also, I'd like a scan of something saying Gian is the fastest, I don't recall that. @bold he intercepted Gian, he didn't outspeed it. If Gian moves 15 meters but Kakashi moves 2m in a slightly smaller time frame that does not mean Kakashi>Gian, that's not how logic works.

1)Lightling shadow clone deals with threads OR threads get cut by raikiri with ease
2) domu? to 1 shot when its defense?lol stop.
3)Masks aren't shit when he's outspeeding both masks and hidan at the same damn time.
1. Not sure what it will do when nothing even implies or indicates that a tendril will conduct said amount of Raiton. Also, that's half of his chakra gone for nothing. Nice. And lol at Raikiri cutting threads AFTER he's caught. Is that why he did that when Kakuzu was about to steal his heart? Had Shikamaru not been there Kakashi would've been dead. Notice how Kakuzu isn't a dumbass and prohibits Kakashi's arms movement

2. This guy.. One punch from Domu makes this sized explosion and also destroyed a massive iron gate which also has a seal protecting it . Lol @ it only being a defence smh.

3. I'd love some scans of him outspeeding Hidan, if you read the manga properly you'd realise he actually had to use a kunai to block Hidan's attacks because he couldn't outright dodge any of them. And I didn't see any outspeeding of the masks, the only thing I saw is him trying to dodge the Katon+Futon and then getting shat on by Kakuzu (but of course somebdoy helped him survive since he almost lost a heart there, and then the next time the Futon+Katon combo was about to kill him Naruto+Yamato saved him). Very interesting comprehension of what happened in the fight you have there fam.
 

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Irrelevant. One los is lost kakazu is unaware of his presence. Simple as that.
Except he never lost track of Kakashi once he laid eyes on him

except u did. If hes able to outspeed them and their attacks while separated why would he get caught when they are together? He has no reason top block it this time. team 10 isn't here.
Except I didn't. The very fact that I am lost on what you are saying about my implications shows. Let me rephrase my claims again.

"Being able to avoid Hearts doesnt mean he is safe when Kakuzu joins the fray".

You're not understanding. Im saying domu isn't a viable defense. Its effectively useless here. Strat or no strat.

Ok.




He says nothing about the delay tho. Show me a scan of him drawing that conclusion(which would be inconclusive at that point since he only killed him once). Exactly. No intel. Where as it's safe to draw that conclusion after kakazu's second death.

Saying it is not relevant. And killing Kakuzu the second time confirms all the intel he needs on Kakuzu (which he shares with Yamato)

kepping up with 1 v2 jin isn't the same as keeping up with 4. Especially when they have precognition and joint vision. So no its not equal.
He wasnt keeping up with 4. Kakashi had split the share with Guy and Naruto.
 

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I said block/evade and clearly linked the Katon+Futon combo.
AGAIN BLLOCKING AND DODGING IS NOT THE SAME. pick one. Dont say and dismiss both.
Gian being the fastest does not mean it's the hardest to dodge. You can side-step it, you can't side step large scale AOE.
And also, I'd like a scan of something saying Gian is the fastest, I don't recall that. @bold he intercepted Gian, he didn't outspeed it.
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DAtabook craps on all of the bold:
And i quote:
"Slay multiple enemies in an instant
Exceedingly difficult to dodge
Bolts flying at high speed."
See if you can find a shread of speed hype pertaining to his other attacks. I'll wait.

And YES HE OUTSPED IT. He was behind kakazu(and by extension his masks) when gian was used against shikamaru(who are infront of kakazu) yet moved in front of both kakazu, the masks, and the actual attack to protect shikamaru.



If Gian moves 15 meters but Kakashi moves 2m in a slightly smaller time frame that does not mean Kakashi>Gian, that's not how logic works.
i'm guessing those are imaginary figures. youre math is incorrect. kakashi had to move gian's distance and how ever far he was behind kakazu in a shorter frame than gian itself to stop it.



1. Not sure what it will do when nothing even implies or indicates that a tendril will conduct said amount of Raiton. Also, that's half of his chakra gone for nothing. Nice. And lol at Raikiri cutting threads AFTER he's caught. Is that why he did that when Kakuzu was about to steal his heart? Had Shikamaru not been there Kakashi would've been dead. Notice how Kakuzu isn't a dumbass and prohibits Kakashi's arms movement
Lol anything and everything conducts electricity if the electricity is strong enough. Theres no such thing as a perfect insulator and there'as no hints to kakazu's body being an insulator. And no lightening shadow clone doesn't use half of kakashi's chakra. It was a lightening clone, and earth wall, 3 raikiri's and a lightning hound that brought kakashi to 50% that was pre war arc.

2. This guy.. One punch from Domu makes this sized explosion and also destroyed a massive iron gate which also has a seal protecting it . Lol @ it only being a defence smh.
thats it's only use here. defense. He isn't beating kakashi in straight taijutsu(no thread) and there's nothing leading to him being able to use it in conjunction with threads.

3. I'd love some scans of him outspeeding Hidan, if you read the manga properly you'd realise he actually had to use a kunai to block Hidan's attacks because he couldn't outright dodge any of them.
He outsped him during the wind combo.
And I didn't see any outspeeding of the masks, the only thing I saw is him trying to dodge the Katon+Futon and then getting shat on by Kakuzu (but of course somebdoy helped him survive since he almost lost a heart there, and then the next time the Futon+Katon combo was about to kill him Naruto+Yamato saved him). Very interesting comprehension of what happened in the fight you have there fam.
I'm not gonna continue arguing with you if you can't tell the difference between dodge and block.
 

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Except he never lost track of Kakashi once he laid eyes on him
that's cuz kakashi never attempted to break LOS. He never even attempted to use clones. He spent an ample amount of chakra covering team 10. (and we know thats as simple as hiding like mole once kakazu uses pressure damage or searing migraine. Kakazu cant track him.



Except I didn't. The very fact that I am lost on what you are saying about my implications shows. Let me rephrase my claims again.

"Being able to avoid Hearts doesn't mean he is safe when Kakuzu joins the fray".
ok. My mistake.










Saying it is not relevant. And killing Kakuzu the second time confirms all the intel he needs on Kakuzu (which he shares with Yamato)
how is it not relevant? kakazu being on the floor and not moving despite being surrounded by opponents is pretty relevant. Idk why he didn't tell yamato. Doesn't matter. there is an obvious delay between hearts and saying kakashi can't exploit it is foolish.



He wasnt keeping up with 4. Kakashi had split the share with Guy and Naruto.
reread it. when naruto was stuck in sun goku's mouth kakashi was fighting 4 v2 jins and guy was fighting a bijuu. With both only getting pressured to pull out the trump cards after they all transformed into bijuu.
 

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that's cuz kakashi never attempted to break LOS. He never even attempted to use clones. He spent an ample amount of chakra covering team 10. (and we know thats as simple as hiding like mole once kakazu uses pressure damage or searing migraine. Kakazu cant track him.
Never? More like he was too pressured to the point that he couldn't. But yes, base on using clones he can develop strategy on taking out 1 heart from Kakuzu.


Doesn't matter. there is an obvious delay between hearts and saying kakashi can't exploit it is foolish.
Deleted some sentence, since your confusing the heck out of me again. Never said he can't exploit, I said he was already aware of it.

reread it. when naruto was stuck in sun goku's mouth kakashi was fighting 4 v2 jins and guy was fighting a bijuu. With both only getting pressured to pull out the trump cards after they all transformed into bijuu.
I reread it. Dealing with Chakra arms(even tho only 3/4 attacked)=/= Keeping up with 4 V2 Jins.
 

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Never? More like he was too pressured to the point that he couldn't. But yes, base on using clones he can develop strategy on taking out 1 heart from Kakuzu.
OR..another possibility... if he hid himself he'd would've thrown choji and ino to the figurative wolves. And no i see that being atleast two hearts. The first heart dying from standard feint and the second heart from lightening clone feint(which buys more time for the kill).It can even be 3 seeing how kakazu fell for the same feint twice from naruto but ill give him the benefit of the doubt.



Deleted some sentence, since your confusing the heck out of me again. Never said he can't exploit, I said he was already aware of it.
so it along with the above are two windows of opportunity



I reread it. Dealing with Chakra arms(even tho only 3/4 attacked)=/= Keeping up with 4 V2 Jins.
they used chakra arms from below on panel but i doubt that was it.. From 468 to 470 kakashy was fighting v2 matatabi, isobu, and chomei by himself. that cant be compered to what oro did.
 

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OR..another possibility... if he hid himself he'd would've thrown choji and ino to the figurative wolves. And no i see that being atleast two hearts. The first heart dying from standard feint and the second heart from lightening clone feint(which buys more time for the kill).It can even be 3 seeing how kakazu fell for the same feint twice from naruto but ill give him the benefit of the doubt.
Kakuzu starting with all 5 hearts has no reason to fight desperately like against Naruto. So no replicating Naruto scenario isn't going to work. I would give the benefit of a doubt that Raiton Bushin might catch 1 death. But that still requires the debaters how he will do it.

so it along with the above are two windows of opportunity
Which mind as well be shut, like canon.

they used chakra arms from below on panel but i doubt that was it.. From 468 to 470 kakashy was fighting v2 matatabi, isobu, and chomei by himself. that cant be compered to what oro did.
@Bold: Baseless. As much as I could assume Base Guy can keep 6 tails BM at bay/interference. Plus the fact that the V2 meet up with Saiken in the same spot, while Kakashi already meet up with Guy.
 
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