Wow, why can't you guys discuss without throwing insults at each other ? :lol You do know that if a mod sees this, you all will get some tasty infractions ? :lol
Anyways back on topic, I take back my statement made before :-
You cannot create Chakra by conversion of Energy if you don't have any Chakra left. In this case, you will have to borrow chakra from other sources in order to recharge your chakra. Logically, you would never run out of chakra as the energy chakra conversion is continuous.
Also, the newly created chakra will be Kaguya's as it was her chakra which led to the creation of the new chakra. Kaguya is basically the origin of Chakra.
I think over time, this chakra energy genetically fused with humans and it become a vital ingredient for survival. So, in the beginning, Chakra was not essential for survival, but over time it became so. It explains how humans die when they run out of chakra.
The only insult I've thrown around is that he is a ret**d, which I've just censored in all the posts on page 3 (will check previous). I've debated with this guy in the past and he was just as stupid than, so much so that I've just gotten tired with this shit and called him a ret**d.
Yes, I agree with most of this, just remember, as I've said in the past, it is most probable that Mental and Physical Energies also come from Kaguya and are also chakra. I can't believe this has to be explained to this guy for the umpteenth time.
He is the one throwing insults while running away
I'm fine with my attitude with the guy that doesn't listen anything.
If you call chakra the energy created by conversion by the use of Kaguya's chakra , then I don't agree with your reasonning for the reason 2 posted earlier.Shall I repeat?
You say , "you have to borrow chakra from other sources" meaning that Kaguya isn't the only source of chakra , meaning that your conclusion counters your reasonning...
This is so much ambiguous in your head , that it's not clear in your post.
Please , take time to elaborate your post , so that it will be understandable.
Your theory has a meaning only if what almost every character call chakra , isn't chakra.
That's what I understood from azeleon's theory.
You can't understand it but you are owned , I am playing with your closed mind.
You exactly came where I wanted you to come , you humiliated yourself with your attitude of running away while throwing insults.
You're the only one who isn't listening. For the last time, no matter how much you dislike it, B and C = A, the Manga says so thus it is canon, I don't need to give you theories on energy conversion, or an answer to how converted chakra is still Kaguya's, because no matter how logic dictates it, the Manga calls that chakra hers, thus it is how it is. Not having to give an answer isn't running away. Learn how to debate.
You're the one running away, you ignored an entire post of Manga scans which state exactly what I've told you. As for insults, I've only called you by one, and its pretty sad that it seems to be hurting your feelings. Do I need to say sorry?
Very well, I'll try to refrain from calling you a ret**d....happy?
Here, I'll give this to you once more so it settles in.
Before Kaguya ate the fruit, there was no chakra at all, as it all lied within the Chakra Fruit. Kaguya after eating the fruit is the first person to have chakra (within that world as there are more Shinju's in the other dimensions) and Hagoromo was the first person born with chakra (Hamura is his younger twin, which means he is second).
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Kaguya's chakra is stated to disperse into Hagoromo and Hamura (their chakra is directly from her): ↓ The birth of Hagoromo and Hamura. Kaguya's chakra had become dispersed
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This is directly canon and is stated in both the Manga and Databook.
Still with me?
Next up, is that Hagoromo spreads chakra across the world....
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This same chakra is called Kaguya's chakra:
'Mankind, endowed with Kaguya's dispersed chakra.' And by logic, considering Hagoromo's chakra is Kaguya's, and he spreads it through the world, obviously that same chakra equates to Kaguya's.
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'Progenitor of all chakra.'
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All chakra 'here' is stated to be the Shinju's (Kaguya's).
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Kaguya says chakra is only hers. Then she states she'll blend chakra into one once again.
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Sentence structure and logic dictates that she's saying all chakra originally lied together in one, and that she's trying to achieve this once more. Of course you'll probably deny this without a single Manga scan or Databook entry backing you up as is your habit.
Smh, you're the only one with confused posts here, and nothing of yours is holding up against mine.
You're the only one who isn't listening. For the last time, no matter how much you dislike it, B and C = A, the Manga says so thus it is canon, I don't need to give you theories on energy conversion, or an answer to how converted chakra is still Kaguya's, because no matter how logic dictates it, the Manga calls that chakra hers, thus it is how it is. Not having to give an answer isn't running away. Learn how to debate.
You're the one running away, you ignored an entire post of Manga scans which state exactly what I've told you. As for insults, I've only called you by one, and its pretty sad that it seems to be hurting your feelings. Do I need to say sorry?
Very well, I'll try to refrain from calling you a ret**d....happy?
Here, I'll give this to you once more so it settles in.
I'm not shocked that you repeat yourself again , I predicted it in a previous post.
Sam and Azeleon understood my point and are trying to answer me.
You can't and aren't trying to understand , all your posts don't answer the question , so much energy used for nothing...
I'm not shocked that you repeat yourself again , I predicted it in a previous post.
Sam and Azeleon understood my point and are trying to answer me.
You can't and aren't trying to understand , all your posts don't answer the question , so much energy used for nothing...
The only part of the post I repeated was by quoting a previous post of mine. Learn the English language.
That's good for them, but I'm saying I do't have to sit here and make up possible theory's to answer your question, just read the bloody Manga and accept that what it says is the fact of the matter.
My posts have answered the question, which is 'how is the converted chakra Kaguya's' my answer is, because the Manga says so repeatedly.
I'll have you know I've barely used any energy in this debate. The only energy used is that of exasperation from you ignoring a multitude of Manga scans and Databook entries.
The only part of the post I repeated was by quoting a previous post of mine. Learn the English language.
That's good for them, but I'm saying I do't have to sit here and make up possible theory's to answer your question, just read the bloody Manga and accept that what it says is the fact of the matter.
My posts have answered the question, which is 'how is the converted chakra Kaguya's' my answer is, because the Manga says so repeatedly.
I'll have you know I've barely used any energy in this debate. The only energy used is that of exasperation from you ignoring a multitude of Manga scans and Databook entries.
Lol , you didn't understand the meaning of repeat?
The manga also says that the energy that is created via mixing energies is chakra.
So chakra isn't Kaguya's , it's a very very simple reasonning that destroyed all your posts , even the last one.
Are you denying the manga?Because I'm not denying it.
Lol , you didn't understand the meaning of repeat?
The manga also says that the energy that is created via mixing energies is chakra.
So chakra isn't Kaguya's , it's a very very simple reasonning that destroyed all your posts , even the last one.
Are you denying the manga?Because I'm not denying it.
Repeat would mean I said exactly the same thing over and over. If you look through the posts you can see the differences. 0_0 Your eyes need checking.
Which was back in Part 1, that was retconned and the current canon is that ALL chakra IS Kaguya's. The most recent Manga scans/chapters/volumes and Databook says so, thus it is so.
No I am not, if you read my previous post with the multitudes of Databook entries and Manga scans, you'd see they all say the SAME thing. That all chakra COMES from KAGUYA. You are the only one denying things here.
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'I, the ancestor of chakra......am defeated by these scattered chakras.'
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Manga states that when all chakra comes together in one, that another Chakra Fruit will bloom. This same fruit was what Kaguya ATE.
Only someone with low comprehension could deny this.
Repeat would mean I said exactly the same thing over and over. If you look through the posts you can see the differences. 0_0 Your eyes need checking.
Which was back in Part 1, that was retconned and the current canon is that ALL chakra IS Kaguya's. The most recent Manga scans/chapters/volumes and Databook says so, thus it is so.
No I am not, if you read my previous post with the multitudes of Databook entries and Manga scans, you'd see they all say the SAME thing. That all chakra COMES from KAGUYA. You are the only one denying things here. Now get your face out of your a** and read the Manga.
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'I, the ancestor of chakra......am defeated by these scattered chakras.'
Only someone with low comprehension could deny this.
I'm not denying your scans , I never denied the manga , I'm just saying that the fact that ninjas create chakra (manga fact , databook fact) counters all your scans that say that chakra is Kaguya's.
So , it's you who is denying the manga by not answering my question.
Will you understand?
I'm not denying your scans , I'm just saying that the fact that ninjas create chakra (manga fact , databook fact) counters all your scans that say that chakra is Kaguya's.
So , it's you who is denying the manga by not answering my question.
Will you understand?
Yet that same Manga and Databook state chakra comes from Databook. If you wish to counter me, than bring some scans, neh? I do understand where you are coming from, I never understood where the Kaguya as 'progenitor/originator' came from, it made more sense for it to be the Shinju, however, the Manga says so thus I ended up having to accept it as fact.
.....Still going on about that?
Possibly.
Please note that I just edited my earlier post as well, but anyway, I will show the edits and see how you respond.
Yet that same Manga and Databook state chakra comes from Databook. If you wish to counter me, than bring some scans, neh? I do understand where you are coming from, I never understood where the Kaguya as 'progenitor/originator' came from, it made more sense for it to be the Shinju, however, the Manga says so thus I ended up having to accept it as fact.
.....Still going on about that?
Possibly.
Please note that I just edited my earlier post as well, but anyway, I will show the edits and see how you respond.
Do I really need to bring scans where ninja say "I'm out of chakra" , or "I need to create more chakra" , or "wait , I'm building chakra"..?
What Hagoromo says isn't a fact , I don't deny his words , what he says is possible , but it's not a fact , something that happened.
The databooks says that Temari has the power to blow the universe , so...
Isn't he talking about the newly created chakra of the world , when he says "all chakra"?
He is the one throwing insults while running away
I'm fine with my attitude with the guy that doesn't listen anything.
If you call chakra the energy created by conversion by the use of Kaguya's chakra , then I don't agree with your reasonning for the reason 2 posted earlier.Shall I repeat?
You say , "you have to borrow chakra from other sources" meaning that Kaguya isn't the only source of chakra , meaning that your conclusion counters your reasonning...
Your post is so much ambiguous , that it looks like that it's not clear in your mind as well.
Please , take time to elaborate your post , so that it will be understandable.
Your theory has a meaning only if what almost every character call chakra , isn't chakra.
That's what I understood from azeleon's theory.
You can't understand it but you are owned , I am playing with your closed mind.
You exactly came where I wanted you to come , you humiliated yourself with your attitude of running away while throwing insults.
"By other sources of chakra", I mean Humans/Places which already have pre-existing chakra. The chakra in those sources also belong to Kaguya. It doesn't matter whether you take chakra from someone, create chakra from energy conversion or whatever, the chakra originally belonged to Kaguya which is not only supported by the Manga but also the Databook.
Also, the Statement "Temari can blow away the Universe" is just a caption to attract the reader's attention. Yes, it's not true but what's given in the main content is pretty much true and ambigious statements are not used.
Yes, I agree with most of this, just remember, as I've said in the past, it is most probable that Mental and Physical Energies also come from Kaguya and are also chakra. I can't believe this has to be explained to this guy for the umpteenth time.
Kaguya may have had Mental and Physical Energies, but they are not Chakra. The panels hint that the three energies are separate, but over time they fused into each other creating Yin and Yang Chakra (Perhaps it happened with Kaguya first). If Mental and Physical Energies were chakra then Kaguya won't be the Proginetor as Humans also had Chakra in the form of Mental and Physical energies.
Do I really need to bring scans where ninja say "I'm out of chakra" , or "I need to create more chakra" , or "wait , I'm building chakra"..?
What Hagoromo says isn't a fact , I don't deny his words , what he says is possible , but it's not a fact , something that happened.
The databooks says that Temari has the power to blow the universe , so...
Isn't he talking about the newly created chakra of the world , when he says "all chakra"?
Which isn't what I'm asking for, I'm asking for Manga scans that debunk the ones I posted. Manga states that the chakra within everyone is Kaguya's, even the one they create. Thus it is so, otherwise show a scan that states chakra doesn't come from her.
What Hagoromo says is a fact when Kaguya, Zetsu AND the Databook all agree with his words. The Chakra Fruit only forms when all of the worlds chakra comes together within the Shinju. Do NOT say the Manga or the Databook isn't fact, because it is, that is merely a caption to attract attention. The Databook is canon, and the information about the Fruit is not within some characters hype, this is directly canon material and correlates to the current canon Kishi has made. It was from the Databook we learned about Hamura going to the Moon, and it is from the Databook that we gain information about what is happening in the Manga.
Kaguya may have had Mental and Physical Energies, but they are not Chakra. The panels hint that the three energies are separate, but over time they fused into each other creating Yin and Yang Chakra (Perhaps it happened with Kaguya first). If Mental and Physical Energies were chakra then Kaguya won't be the Proginetor as Humans also had Chakra in the form of Mental and Physical energies.
Well, as I said before, Yin and Yang energies didn't originally reside within humans. Please note the Shinju tree absorption was stated to be trying to adsorb chakra and ONLY chakra, yet it absorbed Mental and Physical energies also. Does this not mean it is chakra and comes form Kaguya/Shinju? Make the obvious observation that Hagoromo spreading Ninshu implanted Yin and Yang within them.
"By other sources of chakra", I mean Humans/Places which already have pre-existing chakra. The chakra in those sources also belong to Kaguya. It doesn't matter whether you take chakra from someone, create chakra from energy conversion or whatever, the chakra originally belonged to Kaguya which is not only supported by the Manga but also the Databook.
Also, the Statement "Temari can blow away the Universe" is just a caption to attract the reader's attention. Yes, it's not true but what's given in the main content is pretty much true and ambigious statements are not used.
I'm sorry but I'm going to repeat myself.
How can this newly created chakra from energy conversion originally belong to Kaguya?
You countradict yourself in the same sentence...
Which isn't what I'm asking for, I'm asking for Manga scans that debunk the ones I posted. Manga states that the chakra within everyone is Kaguya's, even the one they create. Thus it is so, otherwise show a scan that states chakra doesn't come from her.
What Hagoromo says is a fact when Kaguya, Zetsu AND the Databook all agree with his words. The Chakra Fruit only forms when all of the worlds chakra comes together within the Shinju. Do NOT say the Manga or the Databook isn't fact, because it is, that is merely a caption to attract attention. The Databook is canon, and the information about the Fruit is not within some characters hype, this is directly canon material and corolates to the current canon Kishi has made. It was from the Databook we learned about Hamura going to the Moon, and it is from the Databook that we gain information about what is happening in the Manga.
You still don't understand the point that I made , .
You take words as facts , you are as naive as Madara , and your arguments are unacceptable even if you don't understand it.
You still don't understand the point that I made , .
You take words as facts , you are as naive as Madara , and your arguments are unacceptable even if you don't understand it.
I have taken words that have been stated by people who know what they're talking about along with Databook statements. This IS fact, if you wish to argue against me then PROVE that those statements are wrong along with the Databook entries. If you can't than your concession is accepted.
I have taken words that have been stated by people who know what they're talking about along with Databook statements. This IS fact, if you wish to argue against me then PROVE that those statements are wrong along with the Databook entries. If you can't than your concession is accepted.
No this isn't fact , no matter how strong you shout.
And I took manga facts to counter your hypothesis , you just are not able to understand it , I see that you can't understand what you have to do to continue the debate.
All, as I said before, Yin and Yang energies didn't originally reside within humans. Please note the Shinju tree absorption was stated to be trying to adsorb chakra and ONLY chakra, yet it absorbed Mental and Pyhsical energies also. Does this not mean it is chakra and comes form Kaguya/Shinju?
Yes they did have Yin and Yang. You can see the Yin-Yang symbol on their stomachs.
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Yin = Spiritual/Mental Energy
Yang = Physical Energy.
When Chakra reacted with Yin and Yang, it created two types of chakra : Yin Chakra and Yang Chakra.
The Third type is Shizen/Sage Mode Chakra when Shizen/Natural Energy reacts with Chakra.
The Shinju did absorb Chakra, specifically the Yin and Yang chakra within humans. As, the Chakra had become very closely associated with the Yin and Yang energies of humans, the Shinju absorbed it all and over time would have converted it into pure chakra.
Going by all the points, there are four types of Energies in NV.
1) Yin/Spiritual/Mental Energy - Mankind has this energy.
2) Yang/Physical Energy - Mankind has this energy.
3) Shizen/Natural Energy - Associated with the forces of Nature.
4) Chakra - Isolated in the God Tree's Fruit.
When Kaguya ate the Chakra Fruit, the Chakra mixed with the above three energies creating :-
1) Yin + Chakra = Yin Chakra.
2) Yang + Chakra = Yang Chakra.
3) Shizen + Chakra = Shizen/Sage Mode Chakra.
Remember, Chakra got enhanced/amplified when mixed with Yin and Yang.
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Of course, the mixing of different energies created a few anomalies in the makeup of Chakra. This is why Kaguya makes this statement :-
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"I will blend all Chakra into one, Once Again".
The word "Blend" is important. It means : "To combine or mix (different substances) so that the constituent parts are indistinguishable from one another".
Basically the energies that the Humans have are in component parts : Yin, Yang and Chakra. Kaguya intends to blend Yin and Yang with Chakra and through Energy Conversion ensure that only Chakra is left; No Yin, No Yang; Only Chakra.
I'm sorry but I'm going to repeat myself.
How can this newly created chakra from energy conversion originally belong to Kaguya?
You countradict yourself in the same sentence...
Let me use another example. It's getting pretty tiring explaining so :-
Let's take Chocolate Milk. It has three components :-
Chocolate - Chakra - This came from Hagoromo, who got it from Kaguya.
Milk - Yang.
Sugar - Yin.
You mix the three, you get Chocolate Milk, a new type of Energy. Now, in that Chocolate Milk, there is Chocolate right ? This Chocolate/Chakra came from Kaguya, so the new Energy created in part does indeed belong to Kaguya. So the new energy can be said to belong to Kaguya, as without her Chakra, the new energy could never have been created in the first place.
I must admit doing such a detailed explanation has put even my mind into a spin. If you don't understand even after this, I personally give up and let's agree to disagree.
"Chakra is created when two other forms of energy, known collectively as one's "stamina", are moulded together. Physical energy (身体エネルギー, shintai enerugī) is collected from each and every one of the body's cells and can be increased through training, stimulants, and exercise. Spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī, English TV: Mental Energy) is derived from the mind's consciousness and can be increased through studying, meditation, and experience."
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Actually Human couldnt replenished their chakra like what Kurama did, by collecting natural energy. Human only can recovered back their lost chakra by doing what @ the underline and bold. They recovering back their chakra by putting a works on their Yin and Yang elements and not from outside source(e.g: Natural energy etc).
When human said they "out of chakra", its meant their stamina to mold more chakra from Yin/Yang was low. Its because they never had a rest, food and drink etc in the battle.
Must be careful when using that statement. When they said "out of chakra", it doesnt mean their chakra is gone. If their chakra is gone, they will die. Its mean the chakra level became lower and their Yin/Yang doesnt have enough time to recovered back the lost chakra.
Yin and Yang also is where human chakra reservoir happen to place at. The inner coil inside human body was a Chakra reservoir location(not inside foreheadxd) and also where Yin/Yang elements located/lie.
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This chakra still part of Kaguya chakra because it exist to support living being life. This chakra was pass down from first generation of human in Hago era until now(from great great grand father/mother to great grandfather/mother, to Father/mother and so on and on).
Thats what known as Kaguys's dispersed chakra. The base of all chakra inside human was Kaguys's dispersed chakra. If this chakra gone human will die.
Let me use another example. It's getting pretty tiring explaining so :-
Let's take Chocolate Milk. It has three components :-
Chocolate - Chakra - This came from Hagoromo, who got it from Kaguya.
Milk - Yang.
Sugar - Yin.
You mix the three, you get Chocolate Milk, a new type of Energy. Now, in that Chocolate Milk, there is Chocolate right ? This Chocolate/Chara came from Kaguya, so the new Energy created in part does indeed belong to Kaguya. So the new energy can be said to belong to Kaguya, as without her Chakra, the new energy could never have been created in the first place.
I must admit doing such a detailed explanation has put even my mind into a spin. If you don't understand even after this, I personally give up and let's agree to disagree.
I understand from that that you have the same theory as Azeleon , chakra being a tool to mix energies to create some energy that almost every character wrongly call "chakra".
When I eat the chocolate milk (use the newly created energy) , I eat chocolate (I use Kaguya's chakra that vanishes out of my body) , given that I have an amount of chocolate (Kaguya's chakra) , there will be a day when I will lack chocolate.
So , I think I have a better exemple to explain that theory:
-hot chocolate milk is the energy that ninjas release to fight each other
-milk is the physical energy
-chocolate is the spiritual one
-and the gas cooker is Kaguya's chakra , and in this world , only shinobis have gas cookers , only shinobis can create chocolate milk with their gas cookers that all (the gas cookers) originally belonged to Kaguya the queen of the hot chocomilk.
Gas cookers are passed down from gen to gen.
She had the ability to make hot chocolate milk for the entire Narutoverse , she could easily control the humanity with her hot chocomilks.
She had billions of gas cookers and now she wants them all back to cook a huge milkshake.
No this isn't fact , no matter how strong you shout.
And I took manga facts to counter your hypothesis , you just are not able to understand it , I see that you can't understand what you have to do to continue the debate.
I haven't proposed anything, merely stated what the Manga did and gave evidence that it's fact, meanwhile, you haven't posted a single scan nor have you proven anything, it's laughable that you're still going on about this when you agreed with Sam about chakra.
Yes they did have Yin and Yang. You can see the Yin-Yang symbol on their stomachs.
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Yin = Spiritual/Mental Energy
Yang = Physical Energy.
When Chakra reacted with Yin and Yang, it created two types of chakra : Yin Chakra and Yang Chakra.
The Third type is Shizen/Sage Mode Chakra when Shizen/Natural Energy reacts with Chakra.
The Shinju did absorb Chakra, specifically the Yin and Yang chakra within humans. As, the Chakra had become very closely associated with the Yin and Yang energies of humans, the Shinju absorbed it all and over time would have converted it into pure chakra.
Going by all the points, there are four types of Energies in NV.
1) Yin/Spiritual/Mental Energy - Mankind has this energy.
2) Yang/Physical Energy - Mankind has this energy.
3) Shizen/Natural Energy - Associated with the forces of Nature.
4) Chakra - Isolated in the God Tree's Fruit.
When Kaguya ate the Chakra Fruit, the Chakra mixed with the above three energies creating :-
1) Yin + Chakra = Yin Chakra.
2) Yang + Chakra = Yang Chakra.
3) Shizen + Chakra = Shizen/Sage Mode Chakra.
Remember, Chakra got enhanced/amplified when mixed with Yin and Yang.
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Of course, the mixing of different energies created a few anomalies in the makeup of Chakra. This is why Kaguya makes this statement :-
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"I will blend all Chakra into one, Once Again".
The word "Blend" is important. It means : "To combine or mix (different substances) so that the constituent parts are indistinguishable from one another".
Basically the energies that the Humans have are in component parts : Yin, Yang and Chakra. Kaguya intends to blend Yin and Yang with Chakra and through Energy Conversion ensure that only Chakra is left; No Yin, No Yang; Only Chakra.
Let me use another example. It's getting pretty tiring explaining so :-
Let's take Chocolate Milk. It has three components :-
Chocolate - Chakra - This came from Hagoromo, who got it from Kaguya.
Milk - Yang.
Sugar - Yin.
You mix the three, you get Chocolate Milk, a new type of Energy. Now, in that Chocolate Milk, there is Chocolate right ? This Chocolate/Chakra came from Kaguya, so the new Energy created in part does indeed belong to Kaguya. So the new energy can be said to belong to Kaguya, as without her Chakra, the new energy could never have been created in the first place.
I must admit doing such a detailed explanation has put even my mind into a spin. If you don't understand even after this, I personally give up and let's agree to disagree.
Which was after they were given chakra. They literally possessed no power before Kaguya ate the fruit. Why would they have an innate power within if this was so? When the Juubi Shinju transformation was absorbing chakra here:
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It was said to only be trying to get its chakra back, yet it also absorbed Yin and Yang energies, and Madara called it the Shinju's chakra. Besides that I agree with pretty much everything you've said, I'm even willing to end this debate between us if you've gotten tired of it. Sorry if I seem picky about certain things. I'm actually willing to agree with you, but these few things I mentioned are stopping me.
By blend she means that she'll bring all the scattered chakra's back together, there's no proof that she's trying to get rid of Yin and Yang, especially since its her own power, not only that, but she says 'Once again.' That implies, if I used what you said, that once Yin and Yang and chakra were one and that it was her power.....doesn't this hint at it all coming from her in the first place?
Blend has many meanings.
1. Mix (a substance) with another substance so that they combine together.
2. Mix (different types of the same substance, such as tea, coffee, spirits, etc.) together so as to make a product of the desired quality.
3. Put or combine (abstract things) together.
4. Merge (a colour) with another so that one is not clearly distinguishable from the other.
5. Be an unobtrusive or harmonious part of a greater whole by being similar in appearance or behaviour.
Other: Noun
1. A mixture of different substances or other things.
2. A mixture of different types of the same substance.
I thought I'd throw in my two cents, I hope no one minds. The analogy I'd use to explain chakra isn't chocolate milk or hammers but the foundation myths that Kishi is borrowing from to build his own world. I hope that Kishi returns to his story to provide clarification himself but it's not too hard to see which stories Kishi is borrowing from and thereby see where he might take the story in future.
The analogy I'd draw is to Prometheus. Prometheus is the father of mankind in Greek Mythology. He didn't sire mankind in the traditional sense but instead created the space that mankind occupies in-between the gods and the beasts. Prometheus (a Titan - from a faction that fought the gods but a one time ally to Zeus the father of the gods… I digress) stole fire from Olympus and granted it to mankind. Once fire had been stolen from the gods it could not simply be returned. Once you've lit a flame it is easy to light another and putting the genie back inside the bottle is impossible even for the gods. Chakra in the Narutoverse is often referred to and shown as a flame. Fire belongs to the gods but once in the possession of mortal men it revolutionised their way of life.
The Flame is not just literal. The spark of life is an extension of it. Chakra, in my opinion is just following the same template as the old tales. Forbidden knowledge being stolen from the gods is a common foundation myth. In the Bible it's Eve who took an apple from the tree of life. Once she'd eaten the forbidden fruit (and gained knowledge of good and evil) she couldn't unknow what she had come to learn.
I wouldn't get too caught up in defining Chakra. Like the stories Kishi is borrowing from I don't think it is supposed to be taken literally. It'll only be important if Kishi chooses to show a new fruit.
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