Ay and Onoki vs KCM Naruto
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KCM Naruto mid diffs Both scenarios. In canon KCM Naruto already tanked 3 Ei's punches. [
Now while it is true Ei gains great speed when Lightened, he looses physical strength. And will need Ohnoki to perform the weighted rock technique to do any significant damage to KCM Naruto. But after becoming heavier, Ei gets slowed down so Naruto can just dodge again.
Realistically, Naruto can just take as he has better stamina than both these guys, since Lightened Ei will tickle him, & normal/heavy Ei won't touch him.
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.Now while it is true Ei gains great speed when Lightened, he looses physical strength. And will need Ohnoki to perform the weighted rock technique to do any significant damage to KCM Naruto. But after becoming heavier, Ei gets slowed down so Naruto can just dodge again.
Realistically, Naruto can just take as he has better stamina than both these guys, since Lightened Ei will tickle him, & normal/heavy Ei won't touch him.
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Which is why Onoki heavy weights him at the very last moment. Naruto is definitely not dodging let alone reacting to Ay's speed.
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Smh. Looks like somebody decided not to read the Manga.
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onoki still has to react himself to both of them getting there, & his reactions aren't the same as Ei's.
What's wrong here exactly? It's not like Lightened Ei is hurting him.
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Yet he reacted mentally, thus feats wise Onoki can react mentally to lightened v2 Ay's speed, not physically. That's Onoki's feat, not Ay's or Naruto's. v2 Ay was too slow for Madara, v2 lightened Ay couldn't even be seen by Madara's EMS [
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]. Naruto has no EMS, he's less perceptive then Madara and thus will also fail to react since Naruto was barely reacting to non-lightened v2 Ay. End of.
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duo wins
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L0l Naruto still wins.
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I agree on your points but Ay didn't attack Madara in V2. He was V1, even while lightened.
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He was in v2 don't even try it buddy.
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That was definitely v2's top speed.
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No it wasn't.
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That is V2 Ay.
That idea doesn't even make sense anyway. Ay attacks Madara in V2 with his initial attack, then drop down to
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to attack again then claim he needs more
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to break Madara's guard? Makes no sense at all and the distinct difference between V1 and V2 says it all.
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Ay is saying that he can't blitz Madara with v2, so he needs Onoki's lightweight jutsu to enhance his speed. If he could blitz in v2 then he wouldn't need Onoki's help to do it, yet he clearly said he doesn't have the speed to blitz him in that scan that you just posted. What's so hard to get here?
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You missed the point. You said V2 Ay was too slow for Madara and I'm showing you with the manga panels that the Ay who punched and chopped Madara was V1 Ay, not V2 so saying V2 Ay is too slow for Madara is false because that wasn't V2. Why he didn't use it is irrelevant, but the fact remains he was V1.
Ay says to himself "I've got to up the speed" similar to how Naruto said
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. Ay was going to increase his own speed (to V2) to gain more power, which further reinforces he was not top speed when he attacked.
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He said Madara could guard himself "from even my speed." That means even Ay's speed is not enough, and no he isn't referring to his 50% speed is that would be retarded. Ay>you when it comes to himself, he thinks his speed is not enough and used Onoki to get a further boost. That's all there is to it, he wasn't using v1.
Naruto was not using Shunshin vs v1 Ay, and then used Shunshin vs v2. What's so hard to grasp about that? Fact is, Ay thought his speed wasn't enough for Madara, and his speed includes v2. There was a reason he used Onoki for help, and the reason isn't for him to have an old man on his back and do some phàggy time laps. So no, that scan reinforces nothing because Ay could've used v2 to crush Madara's guard, but instead opted to have Onoki help because "even my speed isn't enough."
