Ay and Onoki vs KCM Naruto

[Lord Tywin]

How do they hurt Naruto?

One hand jinton

 

[Haizaki]

One hand jinton

Like how though? Only a lightened V2 should be capable of blitzing KCM which means Onoki has to be there all the time. One hand Jinton shouldn't be possible ?

 

[LuckyMan]

He said Madara could guard himself "from even my speed." That means even Ay's speed is not enough, and no he isn't referring to his 50% speed is that would be retarded. Ay>you when it comes to himself, he thinks his speed is not enough and used Onoki to get a further boost. That's all there is to it, he wasn't using v1.



Naruto was not using Shunshin vs v1 Ay, and then used Shunshin vs v2. What's so hard to grasp about that? Fact is, Ay thought his speed wasn't enough for Madara, and his speed includes v2. There was a reason he used Onoki for help, and the reason isn't for him to have an old man on his back and do some phàggy time laps. So no, that scan reinforces nothing because Ay could've used v2 to crush Madara's guard, but instead opted to have Onoki help because "even my speed isn't enough."

His speed, as in V1 wasn't enough. You're saying hes not referring to his full speed despite the manga clearly showing Ay was V1, which you conveniently ignored, then Ay says he's got to up his speed which means he can do better. V1 wasn't enough because that's what Ay used before saying it.

>Says Naruto wasn't using shunshin against V1 Ay.
>Manga shows chakra gathering in Naruto feet when he took off for shunshin.
>Legit.

Ay never asked Onoki for help. Onoki came up with the plan to begin with so stop insinuating he did. Ay needed more power to crush his guard which is what Onoki was for. He did increase Ay's speed, but his speed was already enough to hit Madara as feats showed, without Onoki help in V1, he just couldn't break his guard because he needed more speed to increase the power behind his attack, not more speed to hit Madara because the manga showed 2 pages earlier he can hit Madara with his speed.....

And once again Ays reasons for not using V2 is irrelevant to us. The fact remains he was in V1 and the manga clearly shows that, which is what I said to begin with so unless you can prove Ay was V2..... Oh wait you can't because I brought the scans showing the specific difference Kishi draws for it all the time and Ay was in V1 so this discussion is over.