Muu vs Gai

[Zexion~]

What exactly are you implying?

That he barealy blitzed Kisame from 20 or less meters but you think he's blitzing Mu who has incredible reactions from 40?

 

[Forbidden Technique]

That he barealy blitzed Kisame from 20 or less meters but you think he's blitzing Mu who has incredible reactions from 40?

Except I never said Gai would blitz anything. I very clearly said he would shoot Muu out of the sky, after closing the 40 meter starting distance. In the the sixth gate, Gai can cover a 40+ meter distance within seconds very easily [

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[Zexion~]

Except I never said Gai would blitz anything. I very clearly said he would shoot Muu out of the sky, after closing the 40 meter starting distance. In the the sixth gate, Gai can cover a 40+ meter distance within seconds very easily [

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What? You're saying he would cover the distance before Mu reacts, despite Kisame being able to from 20, Mu can easily fly away until he's finished going invisible, in which case he then proceeds to low diff Gai.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

What? You're saying he would cover the distance before Mu reacts, despite Kisame being able to from 20, Mu can easily fly away until he's finished going invisible, in which case he then proceeds to low diff Gai.

I literally said twice now, that Gai would shoot Muu out of the sky. How do you conclude that I'm implying that Muu isn't getting the chance to react. I'm saying Muu would already be flying... Can you read?

 

[Zexion~]

I literally said twice now, that Gai would shoot Muu out of the sky. How do you conclude that I'm implying that Muu isn't getting the chance to react. I'm saying Muu would already be flying... Can you read?

I'm saying that he's not shooting anyone because Mu is not going to sit there while he goes invisible he's going to keep moving until he does so .-. So he's not getting "shot down".

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I'm saying that he's not shooting anyone because Mu is not going to sit there while he goes invisible he's going to keep moving until he does so .-. So he's not getting "shot down".

Never said Muu is going to sit there. The issue is, he can't dodge the AoE of Morning Peacock.

 

[Zexion~]

Never said Muu is going to sit there. The issue is, he can't dodge the AoE of Morning Peacock.

Uh, why's this? Its AOE isn't even that large distance wise, especially when you add in the fact that just being hit by a few of them doesn't do much.

If he starts moving when Gai begins his attack he'd most likely be invisable by the time Gai starts shooting them off anyways..

 

[Beans2]

Never said Muu is going to sit there. The issue is, he can't dodge the AoE of Morning Peacock.

What if he hides behind one of the stone pillars in the area?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Mu gets blitzed 40m isn't enough to save him.​

 

[Selan]

Gai blitzes with 6th Gate + Asa Kujaku or 7th Gate + Hiru Tora. Or if doesn't go Gates right off the bat, he blasts Mu with Hiru Tora AoE.

 

[Apêx1]

Gai's speed is really being overrated here if people think he can blitz Mu from 40 meters smh. Mu's invisible and flying before Gai has crossed 10 meters.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Uh, why's this? Its AOE isn't even that large distance wise, especially when you add in the fact that just being hit by a few of them doesn't do much.

If he starts moving when Gai begins his attack he'd most likely be invisable by the time Gai starts shooting them off anyways..

Because the attack is far too fast and widespread for Muu to dodge. Gai aims them with his punches... If Muu's getting hit, he's getting hit by a bunch of them. Morning Peacock is a

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that is a capable of doing a lot of damage. Despite having the elemental disadvantage and not beng augmented with chakra, the individual fire balls were capable of taking Kisames shark bombs out.

What? You're very clearly not aware of how fast Gai is. His punches are like super-sonic speed. We see him make the first initial punch, and by the next panel he has already thrown like 100 punches [

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What if he hides behind one of the stone pillars in the area?

7G Gai outpaces Muu's travelling speed by a longshot, and a 40 meter distance is extremely short in front of a speedster like Gai. By the time Muu is able to fully go invisible and cover some distance, Gai would already be on him with a Morning Peacock.

 

[Haizaki]

How so?

I always thought Mu was naturally a bad matchup but Gai has a chance of winning.

Mu's invisibility gives him off away and there are reasons why Gai has his chances against Mu:

- This is a pretty good scan of the location

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We've already seen this happen in that area:

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So the "Crunch" sound made and the footprints would give away his position whether he's in front or behind Gai.

- Even though, Gai can still tell if he's coming visible at any point:

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Notice how there a sounds made when he comes visible(The SFX). Gai can utilize this so even though the location were different, Gai would know at least. Of course, there's a limit to that but still you get my point?
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Kinda similar but yeah Jinton gives away some kinda noise and we know when using this, one has to be still

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Mu can indeed hover slightly above ground level but a CQC in general is a bad idea for Mu giving the fact that Gai as well as shown to react to things he can't see

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and this may be due to his natural reflexes which at least would take in account the slightest of sounds. Then again, Mu has already shown to go visible when he wants to attack from one's blindspot rather than just attacking while invisible

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. Reasons for this?

Excellent points from Braiyan and FT...Gai's striking speed, movement speed and AOE of MP can prove problematic for Mu.

What? You're saying he would cover the distance before Mu reacts, despite Kisame being able to from 20, Mu can easily fly away until he's finished going invisible, in which case he then proceeds to low diff Gai.

What you're suggesting is wrong. Mu isn't going to fly away until he's entirely invisible. That's combining 2 techniques at once even though one of them(Invisibility) requires the use of chakra constantly. Unless you're suggesting he takes flight first then goes invisible but that would mean he's already caught with the superior striking speed (Asakujaku) in the Seventh since the process would be nothing much for Gai to deal with given the fact that he can be seen going invisible slowly as shown before. If Mu goes invisible first, based on what we've seen he's going to have to undo that technique to to carry out a different one since that requires constant use of chakra. Which is why we never saw him do so in the Manga.

 

[Zexion~]

I always thought Mu was naturally a bad matchup but Gai has a chance of winning.

Mu's invisibility gives him off away and there are reasons why Gai has his chances against Mu:

- This is a pretty good scan of the location

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We've already seen this happen in that area:

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So the "Crunch" sound made and the footprints would give away his position whether he's in front or behind Gai.

- Even though, Gai can still tell if he's coming visible at any point:

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Notice how there a sounds made when he comes visible(The SFX). Gai can utilize this so even though the location were different, Gai would know at least. Of course, there's a limit to that but still you get my point?
Lastly :

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Kinda similar but yeah Jinton gives away some kinda noise and we know when using this, one has to be still

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Mu can indeed hover slightly above ground level but a CQC in general is a bad idea for Mu giving the fact that Gai as well as shown to react to things he can't see

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and this may be due to his natural reflexes which at least would take in account the slightest of sounds. Then again, Mu has already shown to go invisible when he wants to attack from one's blindspot rather than just attacking while invisible

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. Reasons for this?

Excellent points from Braiyan and FT...Gai's striking speed, movement speed and AOE of MP can prove problematic for Mu.



What you're suggesting is wrong. Mu isn't going to fly away until he's entirely invisible. That's combining 2 techniques at once even though one of them(Invisibility) requires the use of chakra constantly. Unless you're suggesting he takes flight first then goes invisible but that would mean he's already caught with the superior striking speed (Asakujaku) in the Seventh since the process would be nothing much for Gai to deal with given the fact that he can be seen going invisible slowly as shown before. If Mu goes invisible first, based on what we've seen he's going to have to undo that technique to to carry out a different one since that requires constant use of chakra. Which is why we never saw him do so in the Manga.

He takes flight first then goes invisible, which is perfectly capable of happening BEFORE Gai blitzes from 40 freaking meters away lmfao

 

[Haizaki]

He takes flight first then goes invisible, which is perfectly capable of happening BEFORE Gai blitzes from 40 freaking meters away lmfao

Refer to the AOE of the attack.

 

[Apêx1]

He takes flight first then goes invisible, which is perfectly capable of happening BEFORE Gai blitzes from 40 freaking meters away lmfao

I'm pretty sure Mu can go invisible while flying up bro, or at least, nothing is stopping him from doing so. Makes it that much easier.

 

[Zexion~]

Refer to the AOE of the attack.

What AOE? It's a bunch of punches flying at high speed the range is about as long as his arm with the fireballs giving it a little boost, if there is a shockwave it isn't very large as it didn't touch Kisame who was right on top of the sharks.

 

[Haizaki]

What AOE? It's a bunch of punches flying at high speed the range is about as long as his arm with the fireballs giving it a little boost, if there is a shockwave it isn't very large as it didn't touch Kisame who was right on top of the sharks.

That's because Gai aimed for the sharks and not Kisame like he clearly said if you read that chapter

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. Also, as long as his arm meaning? Lol.

It took out a lot of sharks which is why Kisame who was at the top like you said, ended up underwater in the next panel.

 

[Zexion~]

That's because Gai aimed for the sharks and to Kisame like he clearly said if you read that chapter

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. Also, as long as his arm meaning? Lol.

It took out a lot of sharks which is why Kisame who was at the top like you said, ended up underwater in the next panel.

What? Just realized he didn't even take out all of them. So there can't be any shockwaves being eminated from it or they all would have been hit by one .-. But no only things that are physically hit by his punches can take damage.

His reach is its range.

 

[Haizaki]

What? Just realized he didn't even take out all of them. So there can't be any shockwaves being eminated from it or they all would have been hit by one .-. But no only things that are physically hit by his punches can take damage.

His reach is its range.

Doesn't matter if he didn't take out up to a 1000 sharks. The AOE is still large because it can at least rival that technique to an extent. Not sure why Gai would attempt it if what you're saying was entirely true. It took out a lot for Kisame to come down to that level.

What are you talking about really? Not sure if I understand the bold because I'm trying to imagine it's not what I think you're saying/implying. The flames obviously do damage since it does burn and even set Kisame on fire for a period till it was quenched.

His reach is hit range? What do you mean exactly? Hitting from different directions

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. Unless I'm misinterpreting what you're saying, I don't get this point after what the Manga has clearly shown us.