Understanding "rikudou chakra."

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How did Madara or all the Uchiha of the past use Izanagi then? At the time Madara didn't have Senju chakra in him, and I doubt many Uchiha's had Senju DNA during the warring states era

Madara had a transcript seal.

EMS Madara using Izanagi is like 3 tomoe Sasuke using Amaterasu on Toni.

Black zetsu specifically stated that Madara "implanted" his Izanagi.
If you implant something into you, it means you originally didn't have it.
 

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Lol, neg rep with no rep power. I'm so hurt.
 

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When people say "no rikudo chakra" they're referring to the noticeable boost in overall ability from gaining a substantial amount of rikudo chakra(from rikudou himself or his mom). Not the neglible amount as seen in the likes of those without a direct blessing, implants or workaround awakenings. Smh.

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Ashura+Indra= hagoromoo's chakra.
Sasuke is not gifted with strong physical energy like Nagato.
You already pointed out that both sharingan and rinnegan has special chakra.
Now what type of chakra do both of these eyes have?
A sharingan's special chakra is a Uchiha chakra.

Now what type of special chakra does the Rinnegan have?
What did this physical energy/Ashura do to the eyes to change its property into a different special chakra?
What is this new special chakra called?


The Rinnegan has a chakra.
It was the chakra of the Rinnegan that enabled him to use its power.
His physical energy allowed his body to handle its power.

Special chakra....Don't know what it call. The 2nd hokage called special chakra. if you use anime logic, we would call the "special chakra" "sacred energy" as in advanced level of spiritual energy! Makes sense right?

I'm not talking about awaking the rinnegan. I'm talking about using the rinnegan.

it take the special chakra or spiritual energy to use sharingan. Kakashi do not have the special chakra. So the sharingan depend on his spiritual energy.

It take special chakra or spiritual energy + physical energy to use the rinnegan to it full power.


Nagato have large life force(physical energy). He could use the rinnegan better than Obito. But he would've been a lotttttt better with the rinnegan if he also had the same quality spiritual energy or the special chakra that the Uchiha clan only have.

Do you understand?

Sasuke do not have godly physical energy to use for his rinnegan. Because of that, he have to deal with a lot of "cool down" moments.


This is where Kishi F-ed up. He never explain how chakra works! In part one, he went on about spiritual energy and physical energy. How you gotta mold them both together to create chakra. Then part two, everything is just chakra.

He had yet to explain what is so great about spiritual energy and all.

bleach, yu yu hakusho and hunter x hunter explains these kind of things very well.
 
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I think people who refer to rikudo Naruto and Sasuke are referring to them with the sun and moon tattoos
 

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I actually think you're right though I also think the amount of Rikudou chakra matters.

Which would be why Non-JJ Rinnegan Madara is inferior to Non-JJ Hagoromo despite having the same kind of chakra (since when it comes to Kaguya's chakra, more chakra=more power/bigger boost). More or less I believe that Hagoromo was beyond that Madara due to the amount of Rikudou chakra that he has which amplified his power even more. That and RSM.

Something like that anyways.

By Non-Rikudou chakra Sasuke, I imagine a Sasuke without the boost in power that comes with that Rikudou chakra although this version wouldn't exist.
 
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I actually think you're right though I also think the amount of Rikudou chakra matters.

Exactly

Which would be why Non-JJ Rinnegan Madara is inferior to Non-JJ Hagoromo despite having the same kind of chakra (since when it comes to Kaguya's chakra, more chakra=more power/bigger boost). More or less I believe that Hagoromo was beyond that Madara due to the amount of Rikudou chakra that he has which amplified his power even more. That and RSM.

Yes. 100%

Something like that anyways.

By Non-Rikudou chakra Sasuke, I imagine a Sasuke without the boost in power that comes with that Rikudou chakra although this version wouldn't exist.

it depends on if you think Sasuke awakened his eyes or not.
But Hagoromoo can't touch somebody and give them an eye that is on par with his without implanting it.
 

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I think people who refer to rikudo Naruto and Sasuke are referring to them with the sun and moon tattoos

That's deceitful. Why not say sun seal naruto?

Or moon seal Sasuke?
 

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I don't know whether Sasuke received or awakened his Rinnegan.

Databook apparently said it was given to him by Hagoromo but I don't understand how that works when he still had his own Rinnegan. He gave him the seals and chakra for sure though.
 

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Madara had a transcript seal.

EMS Madara using Izanagi is like 3 tomoe Sasuke using Amaterasu on Toni.

Black zetsu specifically stated that Madara "implanted" his Izanagi.
If you implant something into you, it means you originally didn't have it.

Then who did he get the Izanagi from ?! Some random Uchiha with both Uchiha and Senju DNA that was conveniently left out of the plot until that moment, never to be brought up again?
 

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Then who did he get the Izanagi from ?! Some random Uchiha with both Uchiha and Senju DNA that was conveniently left out of the plot until that moment, never to be brought up again?

It's a transcript seal, so I'm sure there are other methods that went unmentioned.

All I know is the anybody that has to implanted a technique into their doujustu, means that they don't have the requirements to do the doujustu on their own accord.

That's why Danzo and Obito were listed as the only izanagi user.
They were the only ones to show it.
 

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It only qualifies as Rikkudo chakra in the loosest sense. When we say rikkudo chakra, we mean the senjutsu that Sasuke uses that gives him incredible power, which sets him apart from other rinnegan users. And yes, there's probably been an instance where he hasn't had his rikkudo chakra with the rinnegan (vs Shin).
 

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Lmao "Danzo has Uchiha Chakra"

So Nagato has Uchiha and Rikudo Chakra? Since The Rinnegan comes with Rikudo Chakra and its original user is an Uchiha

Nagato had Madara's chakra which is Rikudou chakra same way Kakashi had Obito's chakra. The chakra manifests in their body through the eyes. If you deny it then you're basically stating Rinnegan techs can be used with ordinary chakra.
 

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It's a transcript seal, so I'm sure there are other methods that went unmentioned.

All I know is the anybody that has to implanted a technique into their doujustu, means that they don't have the requirements to do the doujustu on their own accord.

That's why Danzo and Obito were listed as the only izanagi user.
They were the only ones to show it.

I guess that's why Itachi was listed as the only Susano'o user as well :bdpf:

It didn't say that anybody implanted Izanagi into Madara's eye, nor did it say that Madara had anybody implant it into his eye, it said that he did it himself :/
"Madara has taught his right eye 'Izanagi'"
 

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I guess that's why Itachi was listed as the only Susano'o user as well :bdpf:

They gave sasuke and madara Magic garb susanoo. It's basically the same stage of susanoo.

It didn't say that anybody implanted Izanagi into Madara's eye, nor did it say that Madara had anybody implant it into his eye, it said that he did it himself :/
"Madara has taught his right eye 'Izanagi'"

I didn't say somebody else did it.
He himself put it in his eye for preparation.
That's what a transcript seal is:
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