Understanding "rikudou chakra."

[VongolaX]

Usually people post threads about matching characters without a certain type of chakra without realizing that the incarnation they pick will not exist without that specific type of chakra.

So for an example.

"Rinnegan Sasuke without rikudou chakra."

^^What the hell is that?

A Sasuke without rikudou chakra, is just Sasuke with EMS, MS, 3 tomoe, and curse seal.
The Rinnegan is rikudou chakra/Hagoromoo's chakra.

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So it is impossible to have a Rinnegan without rikudou chakra, it's literally rikudou chakra of the eyes.
Whether it was awakened, implanted, or transferred. That eye will take its property in every user.

Danzo, by implanting Uchiha eyes gained Uchiha chakra:

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So his right eye has Uchiha chakra (specifically shisui's Uchiha chakra)

So that means people like Nagato who implanted them, does indeed have rikudou chakra in both eyes.

I wanted to further clarify what happens when a sensitive user hands out chakra too. But we'll just take it one step at a time.

Any bashing will be reported.

 

[Avery Uchiha]

Seems so, that panel with Danzo is undeniable.

 

[Passerby]

Lmao "Danzo has Uchiha Chakra"

So Nagato has Uchiha and Rikudo Chakra? Since The Rinnegan comes with Rikudo Chakra and its original user is an Uchiha

 

[VongolaX]

Seems so, that panel with Danzo is undeniable.

Thank you

Lmao "Danzo has Uchiha Chakra"

Did you not read Shishui's chakra color on danzo's right eye?

Are you implying that Shishui doesn't have Uchiha chakra?

So Nagato has Uchiha and Rikudo Chakra? Since The Rinnegan comes with Rikudo Chakra and its original user is an Uchiha

Nagato was implanted with the Rinnegan, not a sharingan.

Read the thread.

 

[Young Vongola]

Lmao "Danzo has Uchiha Chakra"

So Nagato has Uchiha and Rikudo Chakra? Since The Rinnegan comes with Rikudo Chakra and its original user is an Uchiha

Once it becomes a Rinnegan, it's Rikudo chakra because the Indra and Ashura chakra fuse together. It's in the scan my guy.

 

[Ansatsuken]

just in the eyes

 

[HENI]

If Danzo has Uchiha chakra, how come he had to use so many eyes? Nagato surely didn't have Rikudo chakra.

 

[VongolaX]

just in the eyes

Yes, just in the eyes alone.

For those who awakened it, it goes far back into the brain.

So Sasuke, Madara, and Hagoromoo

If Danzo has Uchiha chakra, how come he had to use so many eyes? Nagato surely didn't have Rikudo chakra.

For Izanagi. Izanagi requires both chakra and bloodline of Uchiha/Senju.
(Kekkai genkai) Danzo can't control senju cells and has no bloodline of Uchiha.
As long as Nagato has the rinnegan, he will have rikudou chakra in the eyes.

 

[BrillyMac]

Yes, just in the eyes alone.

For those who awakened it, it goes far back into the brain.

So Sasuke, Madara, and Hagoromoo




For Izanagi. Izanagi requires both chakra and bloodline of Uchiha/Senju.
(Kekkai genkai) Danzo can't control senju cells and has no bloodline of Uchiha.
As long as Nagato has the rinnegan, he will have rikudou chakra in the eyes.

Interesting. This makes sense. This explains why when Madara just took someone's sharingan and implanted of that he could use it. It never occurred to me that it was because they already had chakra in their brain.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

I think you're looking too deep into this. While it is true you need rikudou chakra to awaken the rinnegan but chakra basically works like a nervous system, in the danzo scan please note that danzo isn't the original owner therefore the eye would have the chakra signature of it's original owner, this doesn't mean danzo has uchiha chakra, it's in the eyes only, otherwise danzo wouldn't need hashi cells, also if he had shisui's chakra as a whole AO should've been able to tell but the chakra was just concentrated in the eye. While it is true you need rikoudo chakra to awaken the rinnegan, it was never stated that you need rikoudo chakra to MAINTAIN the rinnegan in the case of the implanted rinnegans of nagato and obito, the rikoudo chakra again was focused in the eyes otherwise obito would be able to transplant two (he barely could survive one).

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Lmao "Danzo has Uchiha Chakra"

So Nagato has Uchiha and Rikudo Chakra? Since The Rinnegan comes with Rikudo Chakra and its original user is an Uchiha

Nagato has rikudou chakra
So did obito from the rinnegan
Sasukes extra rikudou chakra straight frim the sage is evidenced in the tomoe on his rinnegan

 

[VongolaX]

I think you're looking too deep into this. While it is true you need rikudou chakra to awaken the rinnegan but chakra basically works like a nervous system, in the danzo scan please note that danzo isn't the original owner therefore the eye would have the chakra signature of it's original owner, this doesn't mean danzo has uchiha chakra, it's in the eyes only, otherwise danzo wouldn't need hashi cells, also if he had shisui's chakra as a whole AO should've been able to tell but the chakra was just concentrated in the eye. While it is true you need rikoudo chakra to awaken the rinnegan, it was never stated that you need rikoudo chakra to MAINTAIN the rinnegan in the case of the implanted rinnegans of nagato and obito, the rikoudo chakra again was focused in the eyes otherwise obito would be able to transplant two (he barely could survive one).

Bold: In the bold you literally just repeated what I posted in the OP.
Which means you only skimmed this thread.

Danzo needed senju DNA to control the Kyuubi and use Izanagi.

You do need rikudou chakra to maintain the Rinnegan, where exactly would the Rinnegan chakra go?
Out his tears?
How do you control the Gedo Mazou or use six path techniques without rikudou chakra?
What type of chakra does the Rinnegan contain? Rikudou chakra.
What kind of chakra does the sharing an contain? Uchiha chakra.
^^If that's the case, there's no need to argue.

 

[sagemode07]

Haters gonna hate this thread only contains manga facts 10/10

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

If Danzo has Uchiha chakra, how come he had to use so many eyes? Nagato surely didn't have Rikudo chakra.

He did
Obito showed that chakra flows out the eye into thr body
Hence rinne users being able to use all chakra natures
So you know a change in chakra composition occurs

 

[Nagi]

Interesting. This makes sense. This explains why when Madara just took someone's sharingan and implanted of that he could use it. It never occurred to me that it was because they already had chakra in their brain.

2n hokage already broke it down. When you awaken the sharingan, you also awaken the special chakra in the brain. Double MS grant the user access to that special chakra in the brain at will. This is where susanoo comes into play. Madara had already fully mastered the special chakra in his brain to the point that he don't need eyes to use susanoo. At that point, Madara's eyes are nothing but a tool for him to use special jutsu.

The eyes itself do have the owner's chakra signature. When it is plug into somebody else's face, that chakra signature stay there but it also connected to the new user's chakra signature to supply the chakra through the nerves to use its power.

This why Kakashi always passing out when using the sharingan, he don't have that special chakra to use it, so instead, it drain him of his spiritual energy.

Nagato had a huge life force and the rinnegan seem to operate differently from the sharingan as if it don't use the special chakra. It seem to use the physical energy of the user. This is why Sasuke had too many cool down moment or struggle to control it like he did at the end of Vote2. Nagato had no trouble handling it due to having a huge life force(physical energy)

Obito can only handle one eye, due to being a weak ass uchiha despite half of his body made of 1st hokage dna!

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Bold: In the bold you literally just repeated what I posted in the OP.
Which means you only skimmed this thread.

Danzo needed senju DNA to control the Kyuubi and use Izanagi.

You do need rikudou chakra to maintain the Rinnegan, where exactly would the Rinnegan chakra go?
Out his tears?
How do you control the Gedo Mazou or use six path techniques without rikudou chakra?
What type of chakra does the Rinnegan contain? Rikudou chakra.
What kind of chakra does the sharing an contain? Uchiha chakra.
^^If that's the case, there's no need to argue.

Just goes to show you didn't understand anything I said at all :bdpf:, also since when do you need senju DNA to use izanagi ??? I guess all those uchihas in the past had senju DNA :sdo:, danzo needed senju DNA to extend the length of the time he could use izanagi due to the longevity of senju DNA but more specifically hashi's DNA :bdpf:. And I read the thread in it's entirety thank you very much :Sparks:. You should've understood simply that I was talking about the chakra stays in the eyes but doesn't circulate to the rest of the body, note how AO only notices shisui's chakra signature in danzo's EYE not in his body, if obito had rikoudo chakra pumping in his stream he should be able to handle two rinnegan like nagato did because rikoudo chakra>>>>Senju/uzumaki chakra but nope he could only handle one :bdpf:. Points that you failed to address, you're not slick and if I remember correctly, IT granted all of it's victims rinnegan like eyes so are you telling me that every victim of IT had Rikudou chakra? Interesting notion :Sparks:. Also when nagato used the pein bodies and they were able to use rinnegan techniques they surely had rikoudo chakra, NOPE, chakra is in the eye and doesn't circulate to the body, there are alternative methods. Fake rinnegans obviously don't have rikoudo chakra such as ones made from Edo because they're inauthentic hence why they can't control the mazou. For an authentic rinnegan yes, the only way for one to awaken a rinnegan without rikoudo chakra is for kaguya to give birth to another baby (or anyone that possesses a rinne Sharingan) because rikoudo chakra is just hagoromo's chakra. Several holes in your argument and I've located them :bdpf:. Although currently the only ones that have rikoudo chair pumping in them and not just in their eyes are hagoromo and Sasuke's everyone else it's solely in the eyes as exemplified by YOUR danzo scan :Sparks:

 

[Nagi]

Bold: In the bold you literally just repeated what I posted in the OP.
Which means you only skimmed this thread.

Danzo needed senju DNA to control the Kyuubi and use Izanagi.

You do need rikudou chakra to maintain the Rinnegan, where exactly would the Rinnegan chakra go?
Out his tears?
How do you control the Gedo Mazou or use six path techniques without rikudou chakra?
What type of chakra does the Rinnegan contain? Rikudou chakra.
What kind of chakra does the sharing an contain? Uchiha chakra.
^^If that's the case, there's no need to argue.

Sharingin = Special chakra in the brain or spiritual energy
Rinnegan = Physical energy(nagato's life force) + Special chakra or spiritual energy or maybe both

Nagato rock the huge life force(physical energy). This allowed him to use rinnegan with no problem, however, he could've been more powerful if he also had the special chakra that the uchiha clan has.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

You're actually thing to undstead Naruto at this point?

 

[SatanicGod]

Bold: In the bold you literally just repeated what I posted in the OP.
Which means you only skimmed this thread.

Danzo needed senju DNA to control the Kyuubi and use Izanagi.

You do need rikudou chakra to maintain the Rinnegan, where exactly would the Rinnegan chakra go?
Out his tears?
How do you control the Gedo Mazou or use six path techniques without rikudou chakra?
What type of chakra does the Rinnegan contain? Rikudou chakra.
What kind of chakra does the sharing an contain? Uchiha chakra.
^^If that's the case, there's no need to argue.

How did Madara or all the Uchiha of the past use Izanagi then? At the time Madara didn't have Senju chakra in him, and I doubt many Uchiha's had Senju DNA during the warring states era

 

[VongolaX]

Sharingin = Special chakra in the brain or spiritual energy
Rinnegan = Physical energy(nagato's life force) + Special chakra or spiritual energy or maybe both

Ashura+Indra= hagoromoo's chakra.
Sasuke is not gifted with strong physical energy like Nagato.
You already pointed out that both sharingan and rinnegan has special chakra.
Now what type of chakra do both of these eyes have?
A sharingan's special chakra is a Uchiha chakra.

Now what type of special chakra does the Rinnegan have?
What did this physical energy/Ashura do to the eyes to change its property into a different special chakra?
What is this new special chakra called?

Nagato rock the huge life force(physical energy). This allowed him to use rinnegan with no problem, however, he could've been more powerful if he also had the special chakra that the uchiha clan has.

The Rinnegan has a chakra.
It was the chakra of the Rinnegan that enabled him to use its power.
His physical energy allowed his body to handle its power.