[Discussion] Luffy takes a MF gauntlet

[Magi]

Scenario 1: Vista
Scenario 2: Mingo

 

[Black Mamba]

No he didn't. Luffy didn't notice him until Doffy made it all the way around him. That's why didn't turn his head until after Doffy stopped moving, and why he didn't leave the stance. Doffy moved too fast for Luffy's body to even physically react until after he stopped moving.

Doffy is not faster than Luffy he's just more agile than Luffy in the air, Luffy noticed him. Luffy can still hit him or else Doffy could of just dodged every attack. Only attack Doffy can dodge is calvary cannon which doesn't retract so it doesn't have same speed as kong gun, but it can still chase him and hit him.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Scenario 1: Stops at Jinbe or Ace
Scenario 2: Stops at Jozu

 

[Magi]

No he didn't. Luffy didn't notice him until Doffy made it all the way around him. That's why didn't turn his head until after Doffy stopped moving, and why he didn't leave the stance. Doffy moved too fast for Luffy's body to even physically react until after he stopped moving.

Either way, Luffy's haki fused with his elasticity so most of the damage was negated

 

[-Akuma-]

Mingo was portrayed as above Jozu. Held him off with Parasite and broke out of a stronger version of the attack that defeated Jozu.

Blind siding Jozu and hitting him para doesn't make him stronger, plus how was the flash freeze Kuzan used stronger than the attack he took Jozu down without which had Kuzan channel his ice directly to Jozu. Jozu also fought Kuzan to s stalemate off screen and only lost when he distracted.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doffy is not faster than Luffy he's just more agile than Luffy in the air, Luffy noticed him. Luffy can still hit him or else Doffy could of just dodged every attack. Only attack Doffy can dodge is calvary cannon which doesn't retract so it doesn't have same speed as kong gun, but it can still chase him and hit him.

No he couldn't because he couldn't keep up that level of movement with his injuries. Doffy can just move out of the way while the attack is retracted. You're talking as though Doffy's only option is to wait until it has already been launched.

Either way, Luffy's haki fused with his elasticity so most of the damage was negated

Okay and?

Blind siding Jozu and hitting him para doesn't make him stronger, plus how was the flash freeze Kuzan used stronger than the attack he took Jozu down without which had Kuzan channel his ice directly to Jozu. Jozu also fought Kuzan to s stalemate off screen and only lost when he distracted.

When Aokiji froze Jozu, there was only ice that covered his body, while freezing Doffy spread ice across the ground and froze part of the water, indicating that more ice was used when he froze Doffy; i.e., stronger version.

 

[-Akuma-]

When Aokiji froze Jozu, there was only ice that covered his body, while freezing Doffy spread ice across the ground and froze part of the water, indicating that more ice was used when he froze Doffy; i.e., stronger version.

Again Kuzan used a casually AoE attack, what he used against Jozu had him directly channel the ice into Jozu's arm, if he's directly channelling it why would AoE be greater? Again Jozu fought Kuzan to s stalemate of screen while Doffy was left panting after one attack knowing damn well Kuzan was behind him and would of attempted to stop him. AoE doesn't not directly correlate into power.

 

[Black Mamba]

No he couldn't because he couldn't keep up that level of movement with his injuries. Doffy can just move out of the way while the attack is retracted. You're talking as though Doffy's only option is to wait until it has already been launched.

Luffy is not releasing his attack until Doffy is in site, it's like jet pistol how he aims it and hits moving targets. Again Doffy could not dodge these attacks.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Wow this gauntlet is in a weird order. Stop at Ace scen 1, scen 2 the furthest he gets to is Vista and I'm reaching.

How is it in weird order ?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Again Kuzan used a casually AoE attack, what he used against Jozu had him directly channel the ice into Jozu's arm, if he's directly channelling it why would AoE be greater? Again Jozu fought Kuzan to s stalemate of screen while Doffy was left panting after one attack knowing damn well Kuzan was behind him and would of attempted to stop him. AoE doesn't not directly correlate into power.

AOE actually can correlate to power. We have no other measure to go by when it comes to how strong Aokiji's attacks are.
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Despite being directly applied in Jozu's case, there isn't any difference on the ice covering their bodies. The ice affecting a greater area indicates more power in the one used on Doffy, as it is the same ability in both cases. At the very least, the attacks were even, and that still plays in Doffy's favor. Either Doffy broke out of an attack that is equal to the one that defeated Jozu, or he broke out of the one that is stronger. Either way, Doffy is portrayed as above Jozu.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

He can finish him off before the G4 time limit, Doffy can't do anything to G4 Luffy like nothing at all to hurt him. If they were to fight again both healthy Luffy will beat him cuz now he knows he has to use attacks like KKG for a finisher.

So u don't think his durability or anything wasn't effect by .... His organs being ripped apart ..

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy is not releasing his attack until Doffy is in site, it's like jet pistol how he aims it and hits moving targets. Again Doffy could not dodge these attacks.

And Doffy can just back away from Luffy and constantly keep moving away so that Luffy does not get a chance to release it. Either Lufyf releases it and misses because Doffy is out of range, or he keeps it retracted the entire time till he times out.

 

[Black Mamba]

So u don't think his durability or anything wasn't effect by .... His organs being ripped apart ..

Injured or not he isn't tanking more than 2 KKG hits.

And Doffy can just back away from Luffy and constantly keep moving away so that Luffy does not get a chance to release it. Either Lufyf releases it and misses because Doffy is out of range, or he keeps it retracted the entire time till he times out.

He's not faster than Luffy, Luffy already blitzed him. If he could've dodged those attacks he would have

 

[Punk Hazard]

Injured or not he isn't tanking more than 2 KKG hits.

He's not faster than Luffy, Luffy already blitzed him. If he could've dodged those attacks he would have

And Doffy has blitzed Luffy while injured. At full health, he'd be even faster and agile.

 

[Black Mamba]

And Doffy has blitzed Luffy while injured. At full health, he'd be even faster and agile.

Why dodge an attack thats not gonna hurt you? Neither of them were at full health

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why dodge an attack thats not gonna hurt you? Neither of them were at full health

The blitz was indicated by the exclamation marks underneath Luffy, which means surprise(Luffy knew the kick wouldn't work, so it's not the blow itself that surprised him), and the fact that Doffy could circle around him unnoticed till he stopped and before Luffy could leave the stance of his strike.

 

[Black Mamba]

The blitz was indicated by the exclamation marks underneath Luffy, which means surprise(Luffy knew the kick wouldn't work, so it's not the blow itself that surprised him), and the fact that Doffy could circle around him unnoticed till he stopped and before Luffy could leave the stance of his strike.

He was noticed by Luffy before the attack, he didn't break his stance because he knew he could tank it and his Calvary cannon attack was still in motion.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

S1= stops ats vista

S2= Stops at Jozu

 

[Punk Hazard]

He was noticed by Luffy before the attack, he didn't break his stance because he knew he could tank it and his Calvary cannon attack was still in motion.

No he wasn't.
He didn't change his stance because he didn't even know the attack was coming, he couldn't see Doffy move.

 

[YellowFang]

S1:
Ace or maybe Jinbei

S2:
Can't get past a swordsman of close tier...