[VS] Ace vs Time Skip Sabo

[ZoroXTashigi]

Sabo .. high diff.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Dragon is weaker then Ace by feats, doesn't mean shit though. Feats in OP verse are almost irrelevant compared to portrayal atm.

Dragon is featless while Ace has Feats that are piss poor. There's a difference on comparing someone that hasn't been shown in battle to comparing someone who has been shown in multiple battles but just have pissy feats. So terrible example. Ace isn't burning or melting Diamond. Once Jozu gets a hold to him it's game. Ace could barely tank a punch from BB who Jozu has shown he's tiers above BB in strength by tossing up one of Mihawk's mountain slasher cuts low difficulty.​

 

[Apêx1]

Dragon is featless while Ace has Feats that are piss poor. There's a difference on comparing someone that hasn't been shown in battle to comparing someone who has been shown in multiple battles but just have pissy feats. So terrible example. Ace isn't burning or melting Diamond. Once Jozu gets a hold to him it's game. Ace could barely tank a punch from BB who Jozu has shown he's tiers above BB in strength by tossing up one of Mihawk's mountain slasher cuts low difficulty.​

Yet your premise was feats being the main tool to gauge power. And I'm not saying Ace beats Jozu in a 1v1, I'm saying Ace in general would be stronger.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Yet your premise was feats being the main tool to gauge power. And I'm not saying Ace beats Jozu in a 1v1, I'm saying Ace in general would be stronger.

Yes my premise was feats vs feats not feats vs someone with no feats. During Ace brief scrimmage with Smoker it was implied that Ace couldn't even harm him. We've seen a serious Ace fight. He wasn't impressive at all. Jozu would pound Ace silly.​

 

[-Akuma-]

Ace is weak af by feats. Jozu would pound him low-med difficulty. As for Sabo vs Ace. Ace head is going to be crushed like a egg.​

Please just stay out of this section....smh always posting dumb shit.

 

[Apêx1]

Yes my premise was feats vs feats not feats vs someone with no feats. During Ace brief scrimmage with Smoker it was implied that Ace couldn't even harm him. We've seen a serious Ace fight. He wasn't impressive at all. Jozu would pound Ace silly.​

If that's how far your reading comprehension takes you then I guess I'll have to ignore you in both Naruto and OP discussions smh.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Please just stay out of this section....smh always posting dumb shit.

Please put up an argument for Ace you never bring any arguments to the table's just insults. Didn't i completely own you in the vs section multiple times already?​

If that's how far your reading comprehension takes you then I guess I'll have to ignore you in both Naruto and OP discussions smh.

Then don't respond then simple i completely owned everything you had to bring up about Ace. Also you claimed that their rank in the crew means their stronger but then you went back on that by saying ''Im not saying Ace beat's Jozu in a 1v1'' make up your mind already.​

 

[-Akuma-]

Please put up an argument for Ace you never bring any arguments to the table's just insults. Didn't i completely own you in the vs section multiple times already?​

Then don't respond then simple i completely owned everything you had to bring up about Ace. Also you claimed that their rank in the crew means their stronger but then you went back on that by saying ''Im not saying Ace beat's Jozu in a 1v1'' make up your mind already.​

You didn't own shit, I barley even post in the vs section. Didn't I shut your ass down in the Jozu vs Lyffy thread tho? And with Mihawk vs Knife Zoro, you stay posting dumb shit in here. They must of ran your dumbass out of the vs section.

 

[TRE MERCER]

You didn't own shit, I barley even post in the vs section. Didn't I shut your ass down in the Jozu vs Lyffy thread tho? And with Mihawk vs Knife Zoro, you stay posting dumb shit in here. They must of ran your dumbass out of the vs section.

You posted there and i retired you from the vs section. No you didn't. Def not in that Mihawk debate. Im still very active in the vs section actually im currently owning Kratos in a debate. Also where are your arguments there's nothing but insults again. Wainting for your Ace arguments like....

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[ToshiZO]

Dragon is weaker then Ace by feats, doesn't mean shit though. Feats in OP verse are almost irrelevant compared to portrayal atm.

Cant compare Dragon who is featless to two characters with feats.

Featwise and Portrayal Wise, Jozu is higher than Ace.

 

[solorflare99]

Ace is fodder. He was cool for a second then was lame for the rest of the series.

 

[DBZfan]

Sabo takes this mid diff.

Are we talking about DF Sabo or just DF lessSabo?

DF sabo

 

[-Akuma-]

You posted there and i retired you from the vs section. No you didn't. Def not in that Mihawk debate. Im still very active in the vs section actually im currently owning Kratos in a debate. Also where are your arguments there's nothing but insults again. Wainting for your Ace arguments like....

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Please show me where you retied me then LMAO. Yes I did both times, don't deny it. Oh yes I see you are active in the vs section but you're still a joke. My arguments do I really have to map out all of Ace's feats, OP pls are much simpler tan Naruto's pls ya know.

 

[Apêx1]

Cant compare Dragon who is featless to two characters with feats.

Featwise and Portrayal Wise, Jozu is higher than Ace.

Wasn't my point, point is using feats to dictate who's stronger in a manga which is full of people with a lack, or people without feats is wrong. Commander positions denote strength implicatively. Marco>Jozu>Vista>weaker>weakkerrr> etc. Ace is 2nd commander, so we can insinuate that this is the case and that he is stronger then Jozu. Also, feats wise he's not as bad as people are making him out to be, he clashed on par with Kuzan's Ice with his Fire. Already asked to join shichibukai before he even joined WB pirates. He fought Jinbei equally and Jinbei has feats of warding off Akainu's punch, and seemingly is extremely resistant to heat (counters Ace pretty good by that, along with the ability to extinguish the fire with water).

If I was to use your logic of 'feats or gtfo' I'd just say Jozu can't cover his entire body with diamond because it's never been shown, and then Dai Enkai Entei has potential to inflict severe burns. Also, Ace can fly in the air and Jozu would never get to him, Ace would pretty much take no damage while Jozu would be taking significant burns.

 

[nacrose]

sabo can tear a new a**hole for ace....

 

[A v i]

Sabo high diff, no way is he low or mid diff'ing a 2nd commander of the WB pirates. That'd put him much closer to admiral level then he is given the clash between him and Fuji.

Unlike Ace , Sabo did more than getting one shotted against an admiral.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Apex, Oda said division number doesn't equal strength in the crew.

 

[Apêx1]

Unlike Ace , Sabo did more than getting one shotted against an admiral.

Yet he warred off Kuzan's attack [

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] so being one shotted by an admiral is somewhat out of context. Akainu was simply at an advantage due to his magma. And don't forget that Akainu had intent to KILL while Fujitora was shitting on Sabo without intent to kill.

Apex, Oda said division number doesn't equal strength in the crew.

You are using this interview:

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R: About the Whitebeard Pirates, if there are pirates from the "Whitebeard ally groups", is there a possibility of one of them becoming a commander of the real Whitebeard Pirates itself? Or are the commanders all from the real Whitebeard Pirates from the beginning? P.N. amanuts

O: Ok, I'll explain a little about the Whitebeard Pirates. First, captain Whitebeard and the 16 commanders. All 16 commanders, despite numbers and ages have the same strength. All the same. Whitebeard Pirates are just split in 16 groups. The 43 ally pirate ships are not any part of the Whitebeard Pirates and are usually all just scattered everywhere living their own little lives. Yet they are loyal to Whitebeard, and help him in desperate times. They are like that. In Ace's case, the Spade Pirates were destroyed, and all the members joined the Whitebeard Pirates, so he was able to become a commander.

This interview was a mistranslation. Here's the official SBS translation of the interview which clears this fallacious notion;

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It says the are all on equal standing in the context of authority. Which is then emphasised again when he says "it's not like lower number commanders have authority over other commanders." So my point stands and the correlation between lower rank>higher rank stands.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

The 2nd division commander spot was open when Ace joined. If division number equaled strength, then why wasn't Jozu just promoted to 2nd division commander during that period where it was empty?

 

[Apêx1]

The 2nd division commander spot was open when Ace joined. If division number equaled strength, then why wasn't Jozu just promoted to 2nd division commander during that period where it was empty?

We don't know how strong Jozu was back then, but we do know Ace was a Shichibukai contender and he defeated Doma, all prior to becoming 2nd division commander.