Gengetsu vs KCM Naruto

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This is IC, so no "13 blitzing Shadow clones from the start, gg" arguments.

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13 blitzing Shadow clones from the start, GG.
 

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How does Gengetsu deal with 13 blitzing shadow clones from the start?
 

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Evil sensing>gengetsu's fodder genjutsu and joki boy
 

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Naruto loses high diff.
 

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Evil sensing>gengetsu's fodder genjutsu and joki boy

Naruto senses evil through chakra, which the Genjutsu blocks. Plus the fact that the Clam isnt evil and goes by natural instinct. Much like Edo Nagato's summoning that caught KCM from behind.
 

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Naruto senses evil through chakra, which the Genjutsu blocks. Plus the fact that the Clam isnt evil and goes by natural instinct. Much like Edo Nagato's summoning that caught KCM from behind.
Not clam's intention. Gengetsu's. Naruto uses Shadow clones to have a 360 degree view. Then he will look for movements in the sand.
 

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Not clam's intention. Gengetsu's. Naruto uses Shadow clones to have a 360 degree view. Then he will look for movements in the sand.

Well you outright said evil sense> fodder genjutsu. Naruto has no idea how the genjutsu works. For all we know the mirages can migrate in one spot, while a water clone camouflages and snipes his back.
 

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Well you outright said evil sense> fodder genjutsu. Naruto has no idea how the genjutsu works. For all we know the mirages can migrate in one spot, while a water clone camouflages and snipes his back.
Yup my bad. I should have said Gengetsu. Water bullet ain't piercing Naruto's cloak at all. Naruto will keep pounding the mirage, then he will know that he's either under genjutsu, or he'll make a conclusion about the clam, as previously he has seen the clan releasing its spores. Shadow clones are another counter to any sneak attack, just as I said in my previous post.
 

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Yup my bad. I should have said Gengetsu. Water bullet ain't piercing Naruto's cloak at all. Naruto will keep pounding the mirage, then he will know that he's either under genjutsu, or he'll make a conclusion about the clam, as previously he has seen the clan releasing its spores. Shadow clones are another counter to any sneak attack, just as I said in my previous post.

KCM armor is only good at dealing with pounding-type damage. Dealing with penetrate-type power feats is piss poor, so no it isn't protecting Naruto. "Keep pounding" isnt effective when he is also getting sniped by water clones hiding among mirages or The Clam's water particles to camouflage.

Once Multi-Shadow Clones comes in play, so does Joki Boi. With the support of mirages acting as decoys and explosive duds, Naruto eventually gets caught.
 

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narutos 13 blitzing shadow clones seal the deal
 

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KCM armor is only good at dealing with pounding-type damage. Dealing with penetrate-type power feats is piss poor, so no it isn't protecting Naruto. "Keep pounding" isnt effective when he is also getting sniped by water clones hiding among mirages or The Clam's water particles to camouflage.

Once Multi-Shadow Clones comes in play, so does Joki Boi. With the support of mirages acting as decoys and explosive duds, Naruto eventually gets caught.
Proof of the bold. INB4 posting Naruto Gaiden. Naruto has shown to be able to deal with swords in KCM. Then there is Gengetsu having to be extremely close to Naruto to use water gun.
Joki boy would give away the location of itself, hence its doom. Gengetsu's attacks aren't kept hidden by the mirage

His mirage is also short range, given by the distance between Gaara and Onoki from Gengetsu. And his fight with fodder shinobi.
Naruto creats 10 clones. Each clone makes an odama rasengan, and run straight. Given the clam's extremely slow movement, Naruto will reach it, and will make it eat a rasengan.

But to keep it short, Naruto's evil sensing ability shits all over Gengetsu's mirage. Naruto wins low diff.
 

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Proof of the bold. INB4 posting Naruto Gaiden.

Then you already know this is proof so why ask.

Naruto has shown to be able to deal with swords in KCM.

1. Nope manga never ever shown that KCM can block penetrated motion. And yes the damage focus output is different then a slash motion. Cutting and Slashing=/= Thrust and Penetrate. BSM failed to deal with Penetrate force, so concede.

2. A mere blade does not output more damage then nature release damage output.

Then there is Gengetsu having to be extremely close to Naruto to use water gun.

Nope thats not how guns work. If you aren't going to use common sense then DB paraphrase description states it. Plus states it covers all ranges (from short, to mid, and long range).

Joki boy would give away the location of itself, hence its doom.

Nope, not when mirages are copying him.

Gengetsu's attacks aren't kept hidden by the mirage

Do I have to read manga to you? That Gengetsu in that scan is a mirage, so yes Gengetsu attacks are kept hidden in the mirage[ ]

His mirage is also short range, given by the distance between Gaara and Onoki from Gengetsu.

Lol the mirage Gengetsu outright stated wide range, which made Gaara to use contact sense away from his battle location and kept an eye to keep track on Onoki's movement for support. Noting ever implied short range.

Naruto creats 10 clones. Each clone makes an odama rasengan, and run straight. Given the clam's extremely slow movement, Naruto will reach it, and will make it eat a rasengan.

Except he has no idea where it is. So Naruto ends up moving location the mirages brings him. While Naruto attempts to run on it by sheer luck, Gengetsu has enough tim to kill him.

But to keep it short, Naruto's evil sensing ability shits all over Gengetsu's mirage. Naruto wins low diff.

Repeating arguments isnt going to change it from being right. Stop ignoring manga and stop ignoring what Im writing thats benefiting you to read manga properly.




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Then you already know this is proof so why ask.



1. Nope manga never ever shown that KCM can block penetrated motion. And yes the damage focus output is different then a slash motion. Cutting and Slashing=/= Thrust and Penetrate. BSM failed to deal with Penetrate force, so concede.

2. A mere blade does not output more damage then nature release damage output.
smh it's a drop of water. It doesn't have an actual bullet's penetrative power.
A twin water gun bullets couldn't even get past Spiral Zetu

No way in hell the water gun is going to get past Naruto's cloak.
Also Sasuke's blade penetrative power>>Water bullets

Nope thats not how guns work. If you aren't going to use common sense then DB paraphrase description states it. Plus states it covers all ranges (from short, to mid, and long range).
Ok then let's say he can fire it from long range. It'll lose its power because of air resistance.

Nope, not when mirages are copying him.
The clam can't cover explosions. Gengetsu's oil wasn't covered up. Let alone an explosion. There is also a chance of blasting away the clam's spores.

Do I have to read manga to you? That Gengetsu in that scan is a mirage, so yes Gengetsu attacks are kept hidden in the mirage[ ]
read above. The clam didn't have any effects on Gengetsu's oil. Gaara and other ninjas could see the oil shitting on the sand.
Lol the mirage Gengetsu outright stated wide range, which made Gaara to use contact sense away from his battle location and kept an eye to keep track on Onoki's movement for support. Noting ever implied short range.
:lol but how far is that range?
Gengetsu and his mirage from Gaara

Gengetsu after his clam destroyed by Onoki

As you see, the clam can't be that far from its target.

Except he has no idea where it is. So Naruto ends up moving location the mirages brings him. While Naruto attempts to run on it by sheer luck, Gengetsu has enough tim to kill him.
Which he can't. as if Gengetsu moves, he would give away his location. If the clam moves, the clam gets a rasengan to the face. If Joki boy's used, Gengetsu would lose his strongest technique.
Already explained why water bullet won't work.

Repeating arguments isnt going to change it from being right. Stop ignoring manga and stop ignoring what Im writing thats benefiting you to read manga properly.
I'm going to keep repeat it until you prove it won't work. As you still haven't done so.
 
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