[Predictions] Fairy Tail Manga Chapter 449 Discussion and 450 Predictions

[Hori]

I don't get why people think Mavis would kill Yuriy, didn't people theorize that Yuriy was the strongest Mage in Fiore the number in Ishgar. So if that theory had any basis to be true because I like most people I think Yuriy is God Serena. So how could Mavus had killed him? Its funny how most people think Mavid killed him, she would had killed guild members the very least.

Anyhow the way I view this I think the curse of Ankram (however that's spelled) works like if you use Black magic without sufficient magical power having good intentions it gives you what you want but then curses you. Zeref wanted to save Natsu! Mavis wanted to save his friends.. Specifically Yuriy Monster.

 

[Caliburn]

This is the reason why Zeref wants Mavis. She must have found a technique which allows the curse to be held back or suspended. Lumen Histoire. He must want to know why or how Mavis did it and access the technique himself. Or, he simply wants to unfreeze (in a matter of speaking) Mavis just so he isn't the only one who has to live with the curse. Curse which I still don't quite get but... ok.

It explains why releasing her from her crystal carries such a big weight.

Would all of these really be reasons for Zeref to start an all-out war over?

Also Makarov intended to use Lumen Histoire during the fight with Tartaros, so it should have a direct practical use that Makarov deemed strong enough to beat a group of demons.

If I would make a guess, it might be that inside the crystal the black magic has been building up for ages. This chapter says that Mavis became the same as Zeref by using an incomplete Fairy Law. Fairy Law is a spell that attacks anyone who the caster recognizes as an enemy. So putting that together you might get a huge reservoir of magic that can kill anyone the caster deems as an enemy. This could cause an instant large scale massacre, which might appeal to Zeref who is pretty much aiming for the Apocalypse.

I just read the MS version and and alternative explanation is that Mavis locked herself in crystal because she was valuing the lives of her friends too much and thus would be a potential thread to them. Having her released might have made it possible for her to kill the demons with the curse. Zeref from his side might believe that if he releases her, she might join him as the less you value human life, the more control you get over the curse. Zeref always appeared to me to be having a 'forced' double personality and the same thing might happen with Mavis.

I didn't understood this chapter!. Maybe because it is 11 PM here and I have to sleep >_>

Translations doesn't add up to me honestly. So Mavis is like Zeref?. Mavis got the same curse as Zeref that was gifted by Ankhseram?.

This chapter pretty much again hinted that Magic is derived from Black Magic given that 'incomplete Law' is called as 'Black magic' whereas the completed law i.e., 'Fairy Law' is called as 'Magic'.

Black magic - God Ankhseram - One Magic__Black Magic?. lol.

So there were fuedal lords at that time. Well waiting for CR SimulPub.

Honestly said I never felt much for that Zeref would truly be possessed by some kind of god. So far everyone seems to have interpreted it literally when they said he had been punished by Ankhseram, but I just saw that as a magical experiment gone bad and that the whole involvement of a god was just them having no explanation for it. That's something that has been done for centuries: whenever a calamity occurs, it's a supposed punishment from the gods.

And in the end whether magic is black or not, is something completely relative. It's they how interpret it as being a black magic or something else. From an objective point of view there is no such thing.

I don't get why people think Mavis would kill Yuriy, didn't people theorize that Yuriy was the strongest Mage in Fiore the number in Ishgar. So if that theory had any basis to be true because I like most people I think Yuriy is God Serena. So how could Mavus had killed him? Its funny how most people think Mavid killed him, she would had killed guild members the very least.

Anyhow the way I view this I think the curse of Ankram (however that's spelled) works like if you use Black magic without sufficient magical power having good intentions it gives you what you want but then curses you. Zeref wanted to save Natsu! Mavis wanted to save his friends.. Specifically Yuriy Monster.

The point is not to much that she wanted to kill him, but that she might have accidentally killed him. Zeref killed several people because he couldn't control the curse. If Mavis is the same, it's a possibility she accidentally killed Yuri because the curse went haywire and that was the moment she decided to stick herself in to a crystal as to not repeat the same thing. Don't know if it ever has been confirmed when exactly Mavis 'died'.

And the whole Yury = Serena theory is solely based on a single panel of Serena where he only had a somewhat moderate resemblance to Yury. So it's just one step away from being baseless.

 

[milkydean]

Would all of these really be reasons for Zeref to start an all-out war over?

Also Makarov intended to use Lumen Histoire during the fight with Tartaros, so it should have a direct practical use that Makarov deemed strong enough to beat a group of demons.

If I would make a guess, it might be that inside the crystal the black magic has been building up for ages. This chapter says that Mavis became the same as Zeref by using an incomplete Fairy Law. Fairy Law is a spell that attacks anyone who the caster recognizes as an enemy. So putting that together you might get a huge reservoir of magic that can kill anyone the caster deems as an enemy. This could cause an instant large scale massacre, which might appeal to Zeref who is pretty much aiming for the Apocalypse.

I just read the MS version and and alternative explanation is that Mavis locked herself in crystal because she was valuing the lives of her friends too much and thus would be a potential thread to them. Having her released might have made it possible for her to kill the demons with the curse. Zeref from his side might believe that if he releases her, she might join him as the less you value human life, the more control you get over the curse. Zeref always appeared to me to be having a 'forced' double personality and the same thing might happen with Mavis.



Honestly said I never felt much for that Zeref would truly be possessed by some kind of god. So far everyone seems to have interpreted it literally when they said he had been punished by Ankhseram, but I just saw that as a magical experiment gone bad and that the whole involvement of a god was just them having no explanation for it. That's something that has been done for centuries: whenever a calamity occurs, it's a supposed punishment from the gods.

And in the end whether magic is black or not, is something completely relative. It's they how interpret it as being a black magic or something else. From an objective point of view there is no such thing.



The point is not to much that she wanted to kill him, but that she might have accidentally killed him. Zeref killed several people because he couldn't control the curse. If Mavis is the same, it's a possibility she accidentally killed Yuri because the curse went haywire and that was the moment she decided to stick herself in to a crystal as to not repeat the same thing. Don't know if it ever has been confirmed when exactly Mavis 'died'.

And the whole Yury = Serena theory is solely based on a single panel of Serena where he only had a somewhat moderate resemblance to Yury. So it's just one step away from being baseless.

@bold It was not to beat the demons, it was to stop face
I like the idea of the crystal storing a huge amount of black magic and can kill anyone who the user deemed as an enemy

 

[Pervyy]

Would all of these really be reasons for Zeref to start an all-out war over?

Also Makarov intended to use Lumen Histoire during the fight with Tartaros, so it should have a direct practical use that Makarov deemed strong enough to beat a group of demons.

If I would make a guess, it might be that inside the crystal the black magic has been building up for ages. This chapter says that Mavis became the same as Zeref by using an incomplete Fairy Law. Fairy Law is a spell that attacks anyone who the caster recognizes as an enemy. So putting that together you might get a huge reservoir of magic that can kill anyone the caster deems as an enemy. This could cause an instant large scale massacre, which might appeal to Zeref who is pretty much aiming for the Apocalypse.

I just read the MS version and and alternative explanation is that Mavis locked herself in crystal because she was valuing the lives of her friends too much and thus would be a potential thread to them. Having her released might have made it possible for her to kill the demons with the curse. Zeref from his side might believe that if he releases her, she might join him as the less you value human life, the more control you get over the curse. Zeref always appeared to me to be having a 'forced' double personality and the same thing might happen with Mavis.



Honestly said I never felt much for that Zeref would truly be possessed by some kind of god. So far everyone seems to have interpreted it literally when they said he had been punished by Ankhseram, but I just saw that as a magical experiment gone bad and that the whole involvement of a god was just them having no explanation for it. That's something that has been done for centuries: whenever a calamity occurs, it's a supposed punishment from the gods.

And in the end whether magic is black or not, is something completely relative. It's they how interpret it as being a black magic or something else. From an objective point of view there is no such thing.



The point is not to much that she wanted to kill him, but that she might have accidentally killed him. Zeref killed several people because he couldn't control the curse. If Mavis is the same, it's a possibility she accidentally killed Yuri because the curse went haywire and that was the moment she decided to stick herself in to a crystal as to not repeat the same thing. Don't know if it ever has been confirmed when exactly Mavis 'died'.

And the whole Yury = Serena theory is solely based on a single panel of Serena where he only had a somewhat moderate resemblance to Yury. So it's just one step away from being baseless.

It could be that Mavis locked herself in the crystal to keep the power of her curse from Zeref. He's been cursed for 3000 years before Mavis was born and now she suffered the same way. He must of figured out a way to use her curse to his advantage and creates this war to force Mavis to come out of her protective almost seal like crystal. But then i keep thinking why did Zeref go to Achnologia then come back to start an entire war between Nations?

Either way this is gonna be good

 

[Scorps]

Would all of these really be reasons for Zeref to start an all-out war over?

Also Makarov intended to use Lumen Histoire during the fight with Tartaros, so it should have a direct practical use that Makarov deemed strong enough to beat a group of demons.

If I would make a guess, it might be that inside the crystal the black magic has been building up for ages. This chapter says that Mavis became the same as Zeref by using an incomplete Fairy Law. Fairy Law is a spell that attacks anyone who the caster recognizes as an enemy. So putting that together you might get a huge reservoir of magic that can kill anyone the caster deems as an enemy. This could cause an instant large scale massacre, which might appeal to Zeref who is pretty much aiming for the Apocalypse.

I just read the MS version and and alternative explanation is that Mavis locked herself in crystal because she was valuing the lives of her friends too much and thus would be a potential thread to them. Having her released might have made it possible for her to kill the demons with the curse. Zeref from his side might believe that if he releases her, she might join him as the less you value human life, the more control you get over the curse. Zeref always appeared to me to be having a 'forced' double personality and the same thing might happen with Mavis.



Honestly said I never felt much for that Zeref would truly be possessed by some kind of god. So far everyone seems to have interpreted it literally when they said he had been punished by Ankhseram, but I just saw that as a magical experiment gone bad and that the whole involvement of a god was just them having no explanation for it. That's something that has been done for centuries: whenever a calamity occurs, it's a supposed punishment from the gods.

And in the end whether magic is black or not, is something completely relative. It's they how interpret it as being a black magic or something else. From an objective point of view there is no such thing.



The point is not to much that she wanted to kill him, but that she might have accidentally killed him. Zeref killed several people because he couldn't control the curse. If Mavis is the same, it's a possibility she accidentally killed Yuri because the curse went haywire and that was the moment she decided to stick herself in to a crystal as to not repeat the same thing. Don't know if it ever has been confirmed when exactly Mavis 'died'.

And the whole Yury = Serena theory is solely based on a single panel of Serena where he only had a somewhat moderate resemblance to Yury. So it's just one step away from being baseless.

The curse is still not clearly explained. It seems that both are immortal yes, but I feel that Zeref simply wanted Mavis to be by his side and that her own curse is different. Zeref was cursed by trying to bend the rules of life and death, bringing back the dead. Mavis was cursed protecting her friends. I feel that its different somehow. I'm not buiying 100% that Mavis is cursed in the same way as Zeref. I feel that since the circunstances were different, the curse must also be.

The wording when they refer to lumen histoire is always dubious. They always refer to it as "using it". Additionally, someone referred lumen histoire as Fairy Tails darkest secret to which someone said it was their light. Its possible that Mavis has become a counterpart to Zeref's own curse and powers. She developed light based magic. Magic to protect. She built a guild based on bounds and friendship. I find that Lumen Histoire which can be loosely translated into History of Light or Light of History.

I'm going on a long shot here but its been described as a stronger magic than the 3 great fairy magics of the guild. I'm going to give a prediction: Mavis developed a technique which immeasurable power which can change reality/history/something. The magic itself requires her to be sealed for a long time before it could be used. Bulding up power? By releasing it, its likely that the technique can be triggered but Mavis might be consumed in the process. I'm assuming that Mavis created the technique to make this ultimate attempt to hae a way to protect eveyrone she loved from anything. Zeref himself might want the technique simply to change past events that shaped him into what he is. Perhaps even to prevent the events that led to his brothers death and subsequent revival as END/Natsu.

It could be that Mavis locked herself in the crystal to keep the power of her curse from Zeref. He's been cursed for 3000 years before Mavis was born and now she suffered the same way. He must of figured out a way to use her curse to his advantage and creates this war to force Mavis to come out of her protective almost seal like crystal. But then i keep thinking why did Zeref go to Achnologia then come back to start an entire war between Nations?

Either way this is gonna be good

It remained unclear if they fought after that talk or if Zeref simply made it clear that he would oppose Acnologia as well. It was unclear if it was a fight or a simple talk/ultimatium/War declaration. Zeref made interesting points and so did Acnologia. Both have enough power to, by themselves, control the world and rule it completely. Acnologia, the one who obliterated and ruled over the dragons, once he killed them, left humanity for the most part, alone. Zeref spent years hiding and in solitude. He rule a country sure, but did he need it to access lumen histoire? did he need all of this to accomplish it goals? Acnologia noted that as well. Soemone of Zeref's power hadn't made amove.

Now, considering that Zeref was alive and well in his home country again, I'd assume that either he defeated/killed Acnologia (or it escaped) or he simply made the ultimatum and left. Unless acnologia joined his side which seemed unlikely.

 

[milkydean]

From what i understand , ankhserum curses those who do something forbidden.In zeref's case he was clearly trying to bring back his brother from death, and in mavis's case she reversed tenrou jade's effect which was supposed to be some kind of s-class evil artifact, and she also brought back yuriy, by using law which is kinda forbidden and hence she was cursed

 

[Memento Mori]

It seems like Chapter 436 left divided opinions among us because of the differing translations made by MS and MP. First of all, Acnologia and Zeref didn't fought. They just had the little chat and that is all. Well, Since my subscription in CR is about to expire, I guess I will post an entire CR translations for chapter 436. Phew!.This took me a while.

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Would all of these really be reasons for Zeref to start an all-out war over?

Also Makarov intended to use Lumen Histoire during the fight with Tartaros, so it should have a direct practical use that Makarov deemed strong enough to beat a group of demons.

If I would make a guess, it might be that inside the crystal the black magic has been building up for ages. This chapter says that Mavis became the same as Zeref by using an incomplete Fairy Law. Fairy Law is a spell that attacks anyone who the caster recognizes as an enemy. So putting that together you might get a huge reservoir of magic that can kill anyone the caster deems as an enemy. This could cause an instant large scale massacre, which might appeal to Zeref who is pretty much aiming for the Apocalypse.

I just read the MS version and and alternative explanation is that Mavis locked herself in crystal because she was valuing the lives of her friends too much and thus would be a potential thread to them. Having her released might have made it possible for her to kill the demons with the curse. Zeref from his side might believe that if he releases her, she might join him as the less you value human life, the more control you get over the curse. Zeref always appeared to me to be having a 'forced' double personality and the same thing might happen with Mavis.



Honestly said I never felt much for that Zeref would truly be possessed by some kind of god. So far everyone seems to have interpreted it literally when they said he had been punished by Ankhseram, but I just saw that as a magical experiment gone bad and that the whole involvement of a god was just them having no explanation for it. That's something that has been done for centuries: whenever a calamity occurs, it's a supposed punishment from the gods.

And in the end whether magic is black or not, is something completely relative. It's they how interpret it as being a black magic or something else. From an objective point of view there is no such thing.



The point is not to much that she wanted to kill him, but that she might have accidentally killed him. Zeref killed several people because he couldn't control the curse. If Mavis is the same, it's a possibility she accidentally killed Yuri because the curse went haywire and that was the moment she decided to stick herself in to a crystal as to not repeat the same thing. Don't know if it ever has been confirmed when exactly Mavis 'died'.

And the whole Yury = Serena theory is solely based on a single panel of Serena where he only had a somewhat moderate resemblance to Yury. So it's just one step away from being baseless.

The curse is still not clearly explained. It seems that both are immortal yes, but I feel that Zeref simply wanted Mavis to be by his side and that her own curse is different. Zeref was cursed by trying to bend the rules of life and death, bringing back the dead. Mavis was cursed protecting her friends. I feel that its different somehow. I'm not buiying 100% that Mavis is cursed in the same way as Zeref. I feel that since the circunstances were different, the curse must also be.

The wording when they refer to lumen histoire is always dubious. They always refer to it as "using it". Additionally, someone referred lumen histoire as Fairy Tails darkest secret to which someone said it was their light. Its possible that Mavis has become a counterpart to Zeref's own curse and powers. She developed light based magic. Magic to protect. She built a guild based on bounds and friendship. I find that Lumen Histoire which can be loosely translated into History of Light or Light of History.

I'm going on a long shot here but its been described as a stronger magic than the 3 great fairy magics of the guild. I'm going to give a prediction: Mavis developed a technique which immeasurable power which can change reality/history/something. The magic itself requires her to be sealed for a long time before it could be used. Bulding up power? By releasing it, its likely that the technique can be triggered but Mavis might be consumed in the process. I'm assuming that Mavis created the technique to make this ultimate attempt to hae a way to protect eveyrone she loved from anything. Zeref himself might want the technique simply to change past events that shaped him into what he is. Perhaps even to prevent the events that led to his brothers death and subsequent revival as END/Natsu.

It remained unclear if they fought after that talk or if Zeref simply made it clear that he would oppose Acnologia as well. It was unclear if it was a fight or a simple talk/ultimatium/War declaration. Zeref made interesting points and so did Acnologia. Both have enough power to, by themselves, control the world and rule it completely. Acnologia, the one who obliterated and ruled over the dragons, once he killed them, left humanity for the most part, alone. Zeref spent years hiding and in solitude. He rule a country sure, but did he need it to access lumen histoire? did he need all of this to accomplish it goals? Acnologia noted that as well. Soemone of Zeref's power hadn't made amove.

Now, considering that Zeref was alive and well in his home country again, I'd assume that either he defeated/killed Acnologia (or it escaped) or he simply made the ultimatum and left. Unless acnologia joined his side which seemed unlikely.

I think there is more to Zeref's inner thoughts than what it is shown so far in the manga. Some thoughts which are hideous that Zeref don't want to reveal yet.

Well, both of you have mentioned many possible events that may happen. I too think there is more behind Zeref's reasons than what they are shown so far. As for FH(Fairy Heart), we learned so far that it is the darkness of the fairy tail from Ivan and Light of the Fairy Tail from Mavis. From what Zeref said, it is a magic stronger than three great fairy magics. And from what Makarov tried to do, he saw FH as a magic that can destroy the Face Pulse Bombs.

Also let us not forget what Makarov said when he is one step away to activate FH during Tartarus arc. In Chapter 407 I assume, Makaorv said Mest to erase all of the memories of LH after using it. And when Mest questions him should he do that to himself then Makarov answers that 'you will definitely erases your own memories'. If we question why would Makarov said that?. Will FH reveal something that the world shouldn't know of at any cost. Fairy Heart aside from a strong magic, like we knew it is said to be the Fairy Tail Greatest Secret too. A secret that the world shouldn't know?.

Now coming to the Ankhselam part, the physical existence of him is yet to be confirmed but it is hinted that the God Ankhselam did exists in the FT universe like the mentions of him many times for now and even Mashima explicitly stating Ankhselam is the one who cursed Zeref and even the name of the curse from which Zeref is suffering of is "Ankhseram's Black Magic" which wraps around Zeref Body to kill anyone that gets near him. That curse is a Black magic itself. But the usage of the word "perhaps" sounds suspicious or I might be looking at it too deeply.

As for Acno and Zeref meeting, no one died. It is just Zeref going and giving an alarming warning to Acnologia before he starts an all out war. And at the end of the chapter it is said that Yuriy's son is born. Assuming it is makarov, The current year in which the story about Mavis and Zeref is going on is x696. Her grave was built on year x697. And we all knew Yuriy died in year x700. So there is 3 year gap between there. Let us see what happen.

It could be that Mavis locked herself in the crystal to keep the power of her curse from Zeref. He's been cursed for 3000 years before Mavis was born and now she suffered the same way. He must of figured out a way to use her curse to his advantage and creates this war to force Mavis to come out of her protective almost seal like crystal. But then i keep thinking why did Zeref go to Achnologia then come back to start an entire war between Nations?

Either way this is gonna be good

300*. Because there is no more Etherion or Face and moreover all these years Zeref is searching an answer for Ragnarok.

From what i understand , ankhserum curses those who do something forbidden.In zeref's case he was clearly trying to bring back his brother from death, and in mavis's case she reversed tenrou jade's effect which was supposed to be some kind of s-class evil artifact, and she also brought back yuriy, by using law which is kinda forbidden and hence she was cursed

I don't think Ankhseram purposely cursed Mavis but she using Incomplete fairy law is what made her as of now. Well hopefully CR will clear this up.

 

[Caliburn]

The curse is still not clearly explained. It seems that both are immortal yes, but I feel that Zeref simply wanted Mavis to be by his side and that her own curse is different. Zeref was cursed by trying to bend the rules of life and death, bringing back the dead. Mavis was cursed protecting her friends. I feel that its different somehow. I'm not buiying 100% that Mavis is cursed in the same way as Zeref. I feel that since the circunstances were different, the curse must also be.

The wording when they refer to lumen histoire is always dubious. They always refer to it as "using it". Additionally, someone referred lumen histoire as Fairy Tails darkest secret to which someone said it was their light. Its possible that Mavis has become a counterpart to Zeref's own curse and powers. She developed light based magic. Magic to protect. She built a guild based on bounds and friendship. I find that Lumen Histoire which can be loosely translated into History of Light or Light of History.

I'm going on a long shot here but its been described as a stronger magic than the 3 great fairy magics of the guild. I'm going to give a prediction: Mavis developed a technique which immeasurable power which can change reality/history/something. The magic itself requires her to be sealed for a long time before it could be used. Bulding up power? By releasing it, its likely that the technique can be triggered but Mavis might be consumed in the process. I'm assuming that Mavis created the technique to make this ultimate attempt to hae a way to protect eveyrone she loved from anything. Zeref himself might want the technique simply to change past events that shaped him into what he is. Perhaps even to prevent the events that led to his brothers death and subsequent revival as END/Natsu.




It remained unclear if they fought after that talk or if Zeref simply made it clear that he would oppose Acnologia as well. It was unclear if it was a fight or a simple talk/ultimatium/War declaration. Zeref made interesting points and so did Acnologia. Both have enough power to, by themselves, control the world and rule it completely. Acnologia, the one who obliterated and ruled over the dragons, once he killed them, left humanity for the most part, alone. Zeref spent years hiding and in solitude. He rule a country sure, but did he need it to access lumen histoire? did he need all of this to accomplish it goals? Acnologia noted that as well. Soemone of Zeref's power hadn't made amove.

Now, considering that Zeref was alive and well in his home country again, I'd assume that either he defeated/killed Acnologia (or it escaped) or he simply made the ultimatum and left. Unless acnologia joined his side which seemed unlikely.

The way how Zeref was talking about Mavis, it was like he was diagnosing her. Because she was in a war, she subconsciously valued human life less, which enables you to keep the curse under control. However now she was screaming that she is valuing her friends and then the flowers around her started to die. Also don't forget that Mavis became cursed due to a magic Zeref taught her, so in the end it originates from the same source.

I think this difference between light and dark is simply a matter of interpretation rather than being a factual distinction.

From what i understand , ankhserum curses those who do something forbidden.In zeref's case he was clearly trying to bring back his brother from death, and in mavis's case she reversed tenrou jade's effect which was supposed to be some kind of s-class evil artifact, and she also brought back yuriy, by using law which is kinda forbidden and hence she was cursed

That's the interpretation most people go by: that Ankheseram is a real being. But personally I'm atm more inclined to believe that it's the result of Zeref's experimentation gone bad, similar to how people and other things get affected when a nuclear disaster occurs like in Fukushima and that they call it a punishment from a god because they're pious people.

I find that there isn't enough info to consider that Ankheseram is a real being as a fact.

 

[fiend]

The biggest problem in the theory that Yuri died because of Mavis's powers is the time gap of 3 years, mavis was dead(i.e. She was already in the crystal in x697) and Yuri's death occurred in x700.

Also only relation between Zeref's and Mavis's history is the fact that they were unwilling to accept the death of a close one for Zeref it was Natsu and for Mavis it was Zeria and both know about the law.

I feel Zeref just wants to end his existence it was evident by the first meeting with Natsu with him lamenting on the fact that Natsu can't kill him yet and now him going after Mavis to discern the ability which Mavis discovered to stop the curse in order to end himself.

In hindsight Precht saying Lumen Histoire is "Fairy Tail's darkness" and Makarov not using it means that the curse has been building up ever since Mavis sealed herself and will lead to lot of deaths who come in it's direct contact/connected to it.
This is the reason Makarov didn't want to release it as it might cause the death of many Fairy tail members.
And this is the reason why probably Zeref wants to release it as he hopes it will kill him as he is connected to Fairy Tail too.

 

[Scorps]

I think we must clarify some minor things. The word "god" is not different in any way than the word "demon" or "dragon" or "wizard" when it comes to FTverse. I say this because we've see God Slayer Magic, Demon Slayer and Dragon Slayer. These magics, from my point of view, differ in power, yes, but more in terms of intention. I don't see much difference in Gray's Ice magic. Its still ice, be it Ice Magic, Ice Make or Demon Slayer Ice Magic. Its Ice. However, after his dad's demise, he became able to infuse it with the will to harm demons. Same thing, I assume, happens with the other slaying magics. Now, why do I put god in there? In FTverse, the strongest mages in Ishgar were called "gods". We saw a god slayer. Yet his magic was incapable of slaying a dragon or a human like Makarov. It was stronger but it was more than its nature was different than actually its power. We understand that magic in FTverse is direved from feelings, emotions, intents...will power. Conjuring fire is simply that. But embuing that fire with your will can change its nature and allow it to affect different things. Also, just food for thought but... The king of the celestial spirits is, to all intents and purposes, a god. Its simply a matter of perspective all around. We are locked in this notion that the word god inherently brings about a being that is able to control existance. However, in FTverse, it seems more like a "power" adjective given to some very powerful people.

Why do I bring this about? Simple. Anhksheram can be anything from an abstract concept (like the example Caliburn gave with Fukushima and other natural disasters) like fate, to a powerful wizard from the past to even the first being to have magic. This said, I doubt that Zeref's curse is directly a result of a god punishing him from above.

Look at how the curse manifested itself. Zeref was stricken by the reality that he cannot bring back his brother. In that moment of anguish and sorrow, his feelings awaken something inside him. And the "curse" manifested. This seems more in tune with a dormant power he possessed that awakened in that moment. It wasn't like the situation with Mavis. She used an incomplete magic which inherently injured herself despite bringing about the required result. Zerefs different because he was simply distressed at the time when it first showed. He didn't perform and wasn't performing any magic when it happened. If he had it or acquired it afterwards, is unknown to me.

I mean, a Curse power like the ones that the demons use is nothing more than a type of Magic. Magic is simply using ether or ethernano or wtv you want to call it, both the one inside you and the one in nature. Using it to create these supernatural feats. Demons are creations from ether itself that use ether. Curses are nothing more than forms of magic. But magic none the less. Zeref's curse is nothing more than a magic power and therefore more likely to be inherent to him and not a result of some external factor.

FH I feel will be shown as a magic spell or power capable of changing the world. I feel it will be something of the scale of time manipulation or reality warping.

I agree with you cali, though. Dark, Light, etc is all just a matter of perception. Dark Magic is in essence not different from Light Magic. Think about the fight between Jose and Makarov. Dark Magic causes pain, death, suffering. To an identical scale, so does Light Magic.

I still think Mavis' condition is different from Zeref. I really do. To which extent I'm unsure but I feel its different.

 

[Memento Mori]

But....

firstly, there isn't any indication of Zeref became like that because the magical experiment gone bad. If any, there is an indication that gods will curse Zeref because the way how Zeref is behaving eversince he was child and trying to break a forbidden taboo as said by dean of milidian academy.

I agree with Zeref might had that type of power in him eversince he was a child but the source of Zeref's black magic is named after the said unknown God Ankhseram.

Secondly, if Ankhseram doesn't exist then doesn't this brings the old question back onto the stage about the Nature of Zeref's magic which was pointed out when Zeref was first introduced in SI arc?.

Let us see what will happen......The info is really vague at this point in manga.

 

[milkydean]

What nalu just said makes sense, zeref was never doing any experiment at the time he killed everyone.Ankhserum probably dont have a physical form, but thats the only think we can expect.

 

[Scorps]

The question is why would a god punish Zeref for researching a matter which has always been in the minds of men? The Curse could be called The curse of the Pinapple but it didn't mean that Pineapples gave him the curse.

The curse is named after a God because people normally blame god for things they don't understand, control or even are able to avoid. I feel the name of his curse or the reference to it are simply that. Names.

Lets take the example of Lycontrophy. Werewolves. For ages people believed they existed and its routed in many forms of illnesses that were perceived as having been infected by a werewolf. Now, it was called by many The Curse of the Moon, the Curse of the Night, etc etc. Still, the moon gave no one no curse...

This power is also clearly something that was known or faced before. It was immediately reconigzed and named. They simply don't understand or know what it is. And because it makes the user unable to value life and etc etc, its labeled a curse (as in "a punishment"). And who punishes someone for doing a bad thing? God. Who's god did they worshiped or considered to exist? Ankhsheram or wtv its spelled. And thus such a dreaded power is labeled the Curse of Ankhsheram. Does mean this god existed or cursed anyone. Its just a name.

 

[Dãrth1]

I agree with Scorps and Caliburn, the curse may not be the curse of an actual entity, but maybe it's what happens when someone abuses the power of dark magic, Zeref got it trying to use dark or black magic to ressurect Natsu, which he later did, and Mavis got it from using an incomplete law which is black magic, but Mavis case seems less, it may be that because of her contact with Zeref, because other people used way more black magic like Purehito, and he is not cursed, talking about Hades, he mentioned during his fight that he was searching for the abyss of magic, this "abyss" of magic seems like the Void from a game called League of Legends I play. In LoL, a character, Kassadin saw the Void and it's powers got into him, changing him completely, maybe this is what happened with Zeref, he reached the abyss of magic and got the curse, and Mavis got hers from Zeref. Sorry if it is confusing I'm not good at explaining things.

 

[Memento Mori]

The question is why would a god punish Zeref for researching a matter which has always been in the minds of men? The Curse could be called The curse of the Pinapple but it didn't mean that Pineapples gave him the curse.

I understood where you are going at but the only difference is it is a pineapple and other one is a 'God' we are comparing. And on top of all that God Ankhseram is introduced sometime 400 years ago. And in chapter 445, there is a mention about him(Zeref referring to him in present tense i.e., in present timeline).

The curse is named after a God because people normally blame god for things they don't understand, control or even are able to avoid. I feel the name of his curse or the reference to it are simply that. Names.

Lets take the example of Lycontrophy. Werewolves. For ages people believed they existed and its routed in many forms of illnesses that were perceived as having been infected by a werewolf. Now, it was called by many The Curse of the Moon, the Curse of the Night, etc etc. Still, the moon gave no one no curse...

This power is also clearly something that was known or faced before. It was immediately reconigzed and named. They simply don't understand or know what it is. And because it makes the user unable to value life and etc etc, its labeled a curse (as in "a punishment"). And who punishes someone for doing a bad thing? God. Who's god did they worshiped or considered to exist? Ankhsheram or wtv its spelled. And thus such a dreaded power is labeled the Curse of Ankhsheram. Does mean this god existed or cursed anyone. Its just a name.

Nice examples. I can now see Mashima taking this in another possible route like that. Regarding werewolves, I remembered an episode of Ben 10 where everyone believes supernatural case but in the end it is revealed that it is not. Episode name is "Benwolf" I think.

What nalu just said makes sense, zeref was never doing any experiment at the time he killed everyone.Ankhserum probably dont have a physical form, but thats the only think we can expect.

I think if it isn't this way then it is other way around. Xd. One thing I knew for sure is Mashima always foreshadows if he ever plans a major turn of events that is to happen in the manga. The only thing that hasn't been foreshadowed properly is "mest being a member of FT".

I agree with Scorps and Caliburn, the curse may not be the curse of an actual entity, but maybe it's what happens when someone abuses the power of dark magic, Zeref got it trying to use dark or black magic to ressurect Natsu, which he later did, and Mavis got it from using an incomplete law which is black magic, but Mavis case seems less, it may be that because of her contact with Zeref, because other people used way more black magic like Purehito, and he is not cursed, talking about Hades, he mentioned during his fight that he was searching for the abyss of magic, this "abyss" of magic seems like the Void from a game called League of Legends I play. In LoL, a character, Kassadin saw the Void and it's powers got into him, changing him completely, maybe this is what happened with Zeref, he reached the abyss of magic and got the curse, and Mavis got hers from Zeref. Sorry if it is confusing I'm not good at explaining things.

So Kassadin is the inspiration for Zeref's background template?. Mashima plays this game.

I think this difference between light and dark is simply a matter of interpretation rather than being a factual distinction.

I think that is what Makarov said in SI arc.

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[Hexuze]

Thanks for posting that crossover XD

 

[Memento Mori]

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This week's chapter cover featured Mavis Vermillion and her alone. We can see Mavis in her School dress with Pig Tails.

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The more I look at mavis, the more she is shining in that dark cover page. If we notice down the events that took place in this chapter, it is an indication that dark events are going to take place in Mavis life?. Seems like that is the case taking into the account of what happened in this chapter. Was it done on purpose mashima?. Overall not a good cover page this week unlike previous weeks.

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This chapter started with narration going back to more than 100 years ago just before when Fairy Tail Guild is formed. In this Mashima gave a slight summary of how and on what circumstances Mavis met Zeref formation of Fairy Tail Guild. Mashima would have gone with few more pages including what happened of Zera and Mavis like in the start of the Zer0 spin off but it is good tho. Soon after that Mashima gave a glimpse of what is "Caravan Road War". From what it is said, seems like 'The Second Caravan Road War' started in the year x686, July, two months after the formation of Fairy Tail Guild.

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Later it is showed that in year x688, February, the wizard guilds too involved in the war which acted as a mercenaries. It is in the very same year in which Mavis is reputed as a "Fairy Tactician". We already saw the tactical skills of Mavis in GMG arc. But now in this chapter we can see Mavis commanding an entire army and her tactical skills which brought them the victory. The Second Caravan Road war ended in year x690. The year in which "The Inter-Guild Aggression Pact signed" and Yuri Dreyar got married.Will Mashima shows us who is that woman?. I hope so.

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Six years later, that is in year x696, Mavis happened to met Zeref again. Mavis hugged Zeref soon after she realized it was Zeref and thanked him for the help he did. Later on they both had some chit-chat and two cute ZerefxMavis scenes. Mavis questions about the Bad rumours she heard from others about Zeref and she inevitably disagrees with any of those. Later she mentioned how she saved Yuri by using "Law" she learned from Zeref.

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After which Zeref examines Mavis and says that Mavis became immortal just like him because she used the "Law" Which is also a kinda curse of Ankhselam. After that Mavis and Zeref started to agree on disagree with everything they say to each other. As Mavis started to run away from there, Zeref said that the moment when Mavis learns about the value of life, the lives around her will be snuffed out. So is it the possible hinting that this is the reason why Mavis sealed herself in the crystal in year x697?. We can also notice that the flowers are starting to wither(initial stage) away where Mavis gets into contact which Zeref noticed. Very nice detail in some panels.

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Zeref also comments that Mavis had the 'qualities' to walk alongside with him. The way how Zeref and Mavis had the conversation about the life and how it ended with Mavis crying and running back to the guild saying 'she knew the value of life' more of implying that it is this point in the stage where mavis understood what life is and she may activate the curse of contradiction like Zeref. Seems like this may happen in next chapter or so. This chapter ended with Yuri's child being born.

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Final Verdict - Overall an above average chapter with an intricate writing to explain what happened from year x696 to till now and few major plot-points being touched & a possible foreshadowing of what may happen to Mavis in next chapter or so on.

Regarding next chapter, it is titled as "The only-one in all the world...". I guess it might be related to Mavis and her state of condition. Anyway looking forward to next chapter. Mavis might end up killing few of her guild members. That is all this week. Next time in next week.

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Not including any miscellaneous this week because too stressful atm to scan any. I will sure in next week.

 

[Dãrth1]

I understood where you are going at but the only difference is it is a pineapple and other one is a 'God' we are comparing. And on top of all that God Ankhseram is introduced sometime 400 years ago. And in chapter 445, there is a mention about him(Zeref referring to him in present tense i.e., in present timeline).



Nice examples. I can now see Mashima taking this in another possible route like that. Regarding werewolves, I remembered an episode of Ben 10 where everyone believes supernatural case but in the end it is revealed that it is not. Episode name is "Benwolf" I think.



I think if it isn't this way then it is other way around. Xd. One thing I knew for sure is Mashima always foreshadows if he ever plans a major turn of events that is to happen in the manga. The only thing that hasn't been foreshadowed properly is "mest being a member of FT".



So Kassadin is the inspiration for Zeref's background template?. Mashima plays this game.


I think that is what Makarov said in SI arc.

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No that was not what I meant, I meant to say that this abyss of magic may be some kind of plane or realm of magic, like in many MMOs that use magic has a place like that, I know I'm using a lot of game references
In the realm of magic usually inhabitate beings of pure mana and in case of FT, ethernano, that place may be the key to unlocking the One Magic.

 

[Caliburn]

But....

firstly, there isn't any indication of Zeref became like that because the magical experiment gone bad. If any, there is an indication that gods will curse Zeref because the way how Zeref is behaving eversince he was child and trying to break a forbidden taboo as said by dean of milidian academy.

I agree with Zeref might had that type of power in him eversince he was a child but the source of Zeref's black magic is named after the said unknown God Ankhseram.

Secondly, if Ankhseram doesn't exist then doesn't this brings the old question back onto the stage about the Nature of Zeref's magic which was pointed out when Zeref was first introduced in SI arc?.

Let us see what will happen......The info is really vague at this point in manga.

What nalu just said makes sense, zeref was never doing any experiment at the time he killed everyone.Ankhserum probably dont have a physical form, but thats the only think we can expect.

The moment you make a scientific theory, the only way to confirm it is if you put it into practice. Otherwise it's utterly pointless to make them in the first place. The R-system and the Eclipse Project were probably too huge to accomplish unless they would have had vast resources, but it's rather unlikely that Zeref wouldn't have preformed any kind of other experiments at all to test his theories. He has made an entire army of demons, so he definitely did preform experiments at one point. The only point you make is that it wasn't shown he was doing experiments at that exact time. However the fact that the had been researching since he was a child, it's more unlikely that he didn't preform them rather than that he did. Especially because Zeref had the strong intention to bring Natsu back to life. He definitely did not formulated those theories to not use them.

Frankly the more correct questions here would be why would you think it was a factual god? Normally if someone would be cursed, you would expect some dramatic vision or dream where the god in question clearly states why he curses someone. Now it just popped out of nowhere. The only thing you actually have is that old man saying it's a curse. Zeref himself in fact questioned that as he said at one point "that I do seem cursed by the gods", which implies that he isn't even sure of it himself. At this point this gives the impression to me that this god has a notebook stating "Afternoon appointment: curse Zeref" and then he flips a switch to do it and forgets about it.

The moment the curse was first released, was on a moment Zeref just received a psychological blow. I mean why would a god have given him that curse on that exact time? But if you assume that it's the result of an experiment, which is very likely he preformed, it's possible that he was contaminated and that the psychological shock triggered a magical reaction. This on its turn explains what happened to Mavis. In the least Zeref believes Mavis has the same curse as him, but why would that god curse her too? He didn't do anything about Jellal and the R-project. He didn't do anything about the ones involved in the Eclipse-project, but he does curse Mavis for trying to save a town? The only thing that connects Mavis' condition with Zeref's, is that she used an incomplete magic she learned from him. If you assume that Zeref got infected by a failed experiment, it's possible that Mavis likewise became infected via the incomplete magic.

If Zeref really got cursed by a god, that god needs to learn to curse people properly.

 

[loj]

Was a nice chapter I enjoyed Mavis x Zeref.

Giving it 5/5.