Enduring =/= forgiveness. Have you ever wanted Naruto to fail?

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Not on little things.

Things like becoming Hokage, finding peace in the world or changing the views of others.

Take into account what he wanted to do, his views and experiences.

The one time I wanted him to fail was when pain attacked konoha. I really wanted him to kill Nagato in that tree instead of following Jiraiya's views.

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But if I look back on it I see that decision was paramount to his character.

At the beginning Naruto only sought acknowledgement and the means to protect the ones he cared for.

Up until this point, Naruto never had loss on this level. His parents being gone was a phantom pain as it happened during birth. Naruto grew up years with the pain of loneliness. It was only now that he felt such a large degree of loss. His home, friends, teachers and people he wanted to acknowledge him were dead or dying and he was face to face with the grim reaper itself.
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Before pain, Naruto proved he is willing to kill any threat that harmed those we held dear if it came down to it. This is made apparent with Haku, Deidara and orochimaru.

His views changed after realizing Jiraiya's words.
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Had he succumbed to his urges it would have had a lasting and negative effect on Naruto as a character. It would have been a failure to endure much like Sasuke's descent into darkness. Over the death of his clan.

He grew to realize that there were bigger things than Acknowledgement and titles. That while he thought of such things that peace, enduring, and hatred were shaping the world and made people like Nagato.

Eventually he learned what it means to be a hokage and the responsibility it held.

The waterfall of truth absolved him of his inner demons and self pity. It was why he was able to look past it and grow.


The things he learned and experiences influenced generations. The event of Neji's death marked the 4th time someone placed their life down to protect him (that he was aware of). The others being Iruka, Hinata, and Sasuke. It was one of the reasons why Neji's death had an impact on him.

Naruto has a martyr complex involving willful suffering in the name of love or duty. This often drives him to give his all for the sake of everyone than be responsible for a single death on his account.
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Hinata who shared his views reminds him of his experiences. Both Kurama and Sasuke does this.

Naruto endures Neji's, his parents and the NA's deaths and opts to bring Obito to justice than kill him where he laid. Following his teacher and fellow pupils views.

Naruto's unrivaled ability to understand and empathize with anyone due to his own pain empowers him to be the bigger person in these situations and understand when people are being true to themselves. Obito came to terms with all he did and where he stood with Naruto and the world. Using his final essence to atone for what he's done.

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Naruto acknowledges the true Obito who had wanted to a hokage as someone great.

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Tl;Dr: Naruto's growth is great and he isn't one to forgive or forget. But rather endure and acknowledge.
 
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You know what pissed me off the most from Naruto? When he told Sasuke that their role could EASILY been reverse.

Like how growing up without a parent, been hated by the village, losing your master equal to having your whole clan killed and your parents killed before your very eyes by someone you loved dearly?

Kishi insulted Sasuke with that. He basically made it seem like Naruto suffered worse than Sasuke so he understand Sasuke.
 

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I wanted him to "fail" at obito.

I mean come on now
Nagato claimed more innocent lives than Obito. The people obito killed were shinobi. Nagato destroyed his home, innocent villagers and more friends than you can count on a hand.

If Naruto can endure such pain, obito should be nothing compared to that.
 

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You know what pissed me off the most from Naruto? When he told Sasuke that their role could EASILY been reverse.

Like how growing up without a parent, been hated by the village, losing your master equal to having your whole clan killed and your parents killed before your very eyes by someone you loved dearly?
This is post Jiraiya and Itachi's death. Had Sasuke endured his death and Naruto failed to endure Jiraiya's it would have been different.

Naruto lost his village and friends.

Sasuke his clan and family.

Had he killed Nagato they wouldn't have came back. Understand?

This can also be said by the beginning. Naruto had the means of not enduring and attempting to use kurama to seek revenge on konoha at a early age. Even if it made his life forfeit.
 

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Kishi insulted Sasuke with that. He basically made it seem like Naruto suffered worse than Sasuke so he understand Sasuke.
Well, suffering is suffering, especially when it comes to death.
I don't think it's possible to say which one suffered more than the other.
 

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This is post Jiraiya and Itachi's death. Had Sasuke endured his death and Naruto failed to endure Jiraiya's it would have been different.

Naruto lost his village and friends.

Sasuke his clan and family.

Had he killed Nagato they wouldn't have came back. Understand?
But he didn't. Just like everybody would say, Until it really happened to do you and sink in, you do not understand what I'm going through.
 

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Nagato claimed more innocent lives than Obito. The people obito killed were shinobi. Nagato destroyed his home, innocent villagers and more friends than you can count on a hand.

If Naruto can endure such pain, obito should be nothing compared to that.
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pretty sure this killed more people then nagato did as nagato revived everyone
 

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But he didn't. Just like everybody would say, Until it really happened to do you and sink in, you do not understand what I'm going through.
But it didn't. It wasn't easy for Naruto to stand in front of Nagato. He was trembling with bloodlust. He endured having his village and friends gone. At that point it was not certain that there was even a possibility that they were coming back. Please understand that.

Naruto was fighting that entire time over the bodies of innocent people buried under earth and rubble. Sensing familiar chakra that were either waning or completely gone. Case in point is Naruto asking tsunade if Kakashi was on a mission. Can you even imagine unconsciously sensing the entire village of people dying or dead. That was not easy for him.

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pretty sure this killed more people then nagato did as nagato revived everyone
No it didn't. Kurama didn't level the entire village. It almost happened but Minato prevented it. Refer to my post to Flash uchiha about them being revived please. It's above me.
 

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But it didn't. It wasn't easy for Naruto to stand in front of Nagato. He was trembling with bloodlust. He endured having his village and friends gone. At that point it wau certain that there was even a possibility that they were coming back. Please understand that.

Naruto was fighting that entire time over the bodies of innocent people buried under earth and rubble. Sensing familiar chakra that were either waning or completely gone. Case in point is Naruto asking tsunade if Kakashi was on a mission. Can you even imagine unconsciously sensing the entire village of people dying or dead. That was not easy for him
He still shouldn't understand Sasuke from that. Shit, the whole village didn't acknowledge him til after the fight. Oh btw. i forgot to say it. How can Naruto practically understand Sasuke when it was the hidden leaf village that wanted to get rid of the Uchiha clan.

You know what? nvm. Manga is over.
 

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Naruto's growth is great and he isn't one to forgive or forget

^This last line is a lie :|

Naruto put behind him everything that he didn't consider the "true" Obito and chose to only acknowledge the good in him. That means that he not only forgave Obito, but he also forgot about his bad actions. I find that to be wrong Naruto didn't have to hold a grudge against Obito, but him choosing to write off the bad things Obito did as the "fake" Obito is BS

OT: As far as having Naruto to fail....that would have been nice. It would have made the series more realistic.
 
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Nagato claimed more innocent lives than Obito. The people obito killed were shinobi. Nagato destroyed his home, innocent villagers and more friends than you can count on a hand.

If Naruto can endure such pain, obito should be nothing compared to that.
Parents > mere friends
 

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He still shouldn't understand Sasuke from that. Shit, the whole village didn't acknowledge him til after the fight. Oh btw. i forgot to say it. How can Naruto practically understand Sasuke when it was the hidden leaf village that wanted to get rid of the Uchiha clan.

You know what? nvm. Manga is over.
The final chapters depicted their mutual understanding of each other. Pain is universal. Everyone feels pain at some point. To say one's pain is greater than the other is unreasonable.

It was not konoha as a whole. This decision was not a democratic one. It was a underhanded tactic from a select few. For you to blame all of konoha is also unreasonable.
 

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Parents > mere friends
What gives you the right to say that?

You should know that family ties are not always as stronger than friends. Naruto weighs his friends and family on equal terms. It's how he is. I have friends that I put higher than some of my own blood.

It was mere friends totalling in the 10 thousands or more.
 
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