Hokage Kakashi vs Zabuza

[Beans2]

This is Kakashi without sharingan.

Who wins?

 

[Selan]

Kakashi quickly stomps with Raijuu Tsuiga.

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Zabuza can't evade it nor can counter/stop it nor can execute Kirigakure no jutsu before Kakashi uses it.

 

[Apêx1]

Hokage Kakashi shits all over him. Especially if we use Hiden feats.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi wins, comfortably. His increase in speed over the course of the Manga combined with his Raiton Clone feints are enough for him to take this match even easier than he did before.

 

[EZQ]

Whats the knowledge beans?

Please people. Even in the war arc Kakashi needed help from the Yamanaka and Nara clan to find Zabuza in the mist. This is not a stomp in any form.

With manga knowledge Kakashi wins via clone feint, without knowledge he probably loses. Sharingan was allowing him to barely keep up with Zabuza's attacks in the mist.

Inside the mist it doesn't matter if Kakashi's sunshin speed grew a lot, since his reaction speed is a lot lower without sharingan.

 

[Char Aznable]

Zabuza negs.

Kakashi without sharingan isn't beating Zabuza.

 

[ultraChalk]

Kakashi. He's gotten stronger over the course of the manga. It's foolish to think he's still the same guy that struggled with him years ago.

 

[EZQ]

Kakashi. He's gotten stronger over the course of the manga. It's foolish to think he's still the same guy that struggled with him years ago.

He struggled with him on the war arc

 

[ultraChalk]

He struggled with him on the war arc

How is being cautious and using the allies around you to their fullest 'struggling'?

He even intercepted him right here... without even using his sharingan.

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[ultraChalk]

And right here it would have been a done deal if not for Haku. He's the one that got in the middle of their fight.

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[EZQ]

And right here it would have been a done deal if not for Haku. He's the one that got in the middle of their fight.

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Kakashi alone can't track Zabuza in the mist. He needs the sent of his blood on Zabuza for his dogs or he needs help of his allies period.

-The first scan you showed is about Kakashi intercepting a Zabuza who didn't know Kakashi was there. There have been a lot of interceptings in the history of naruto manga, this scans shows nothing, Zabuza was ambushed by him.

-The second scan is what Kakashi accomplished with the help of yamanaka and nara and with a sharingan. But he doesn't have that now does he?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kakashi alone can't track Zabuza in the mist. He needs the sent of his blood on Zabuza for his dogs or he needs help of his allies period.

-The first scan you showed is about Kakashi intercepting a Zabuza who didn't know Kakashi was there. There have been a lot of interceptings in the history of naruto manga, this scans shows nothing, Zabuza was ambushed by him.

-The second scan is what Kakashi accomplished with the help of yamanaka and nara and with a sharingan. But he doesn't have that now does he?

I'm pretty sure zabuza has a scent, kakashi can pick up on seeing as he smelled him 3 times.

 

[EZQ]

I'm pretty sure zabuza has a scent, kakashi can pick up on seeing as he smelled him 3 times.

No, because the dogs can't track Zabuza's sent. They're familiar with kakashi's blood. He'd have used them in the war if it was that way,

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No, because the dogs can't track Zabuza's sent. They're familiar with kakashi's blood. He'd have used them in the war if it was that way,

The dogs can't track what they don't know, there's no reason to risk the dogs getting hurt(multiple opponents) to pin zabuza.

 

[ToshiZO]

Kakashi. He's gotten stronger over the course of the manga. It's foolish to think he's still the same guy that struggled with him years ago.

He really isn't though he had the sharingan when he first fought him. He doesn't have it here which counts for something lol.

 

[EZQ]

The dogs can't track what they don't know, there's no reason to risk the dogs getting hurt(multiple opponents) to pin zabuza.

Well maybe you're right i don't know.

I think the dogs can't be used that way since in Kakashi's first encounter against Zabuza, he used the dogs only with his blood, ignoring the fact that the dogs could have melt Zabuza's scent even without it, since it's a human smell, but they still neded the blood, so i think Kakashi's dogs need the blood to be able to track underground. If they do it above the ground Zabuza kills them

 

[Conspirator.]

Kakashi wins it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well maybe you're right i don't know.

I think the dogs can't be used that way since in Kakashi's first encounter against Zabuza, he used the dogs only with his blood, ignoring the fact that the dogs could have melt Zabuza's scent even without it, since it's a human smell, but they still neded the blood, so i think Kakashi's dogs need the blood to be able to track underground. If they do it above the ground Zabuza kills them

The whole blood for underground tracking sounds more likely.
Doesn't really matter. Since my argument revolves around kakashi picking his scent. Not the dogs.

 

[EZQ]

The whole blood for underground tracking sounds more likely.
Doesn't really matter. Since my argument revolves around kakashi picking his scent. Not the dogs.

He doesn't have a good enough nose. He can't perform that since in part 1 he couldn't and in edo arc he couldn't, and there's no feats of him having Kiba level nose.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He doesn't have a good enough nose. He can't perform that since in part 1 he couldn't and in edo arc he couldn't, and there's no feats of him having Kiba level nose.

His nose is on par with his dogs. Kiba surpasses dogs.

Again he used the best tools in that situation. That doesn't mean that was the only option.