[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 797 Discussion and 798 Predictions

[A v i]

What a cancerous thread of people who can state their opinion about this chapter in one sentence.

This was predicted to happen 2 weeks ago, it was bound to happen right after Kyros' introduction. You can't expect Oda to introduce a character without a backstory to pop up out of nowhere. If that were the case he might as well used one of the Konoha 11.

if you don't see how this chapter ties up multiple loose story ends then you're crazy. If this chapter wasn't made most of you would be nagging in 5 chapters how it was bullshit how they escaped the island full of marines without a ship and how Kyros left his daughter behind and how Dressrosa is now a kingdom without a real heir to the throne. All this is solved in 18 pages. And Oda even gave you pretty much a spoiler of at least a Zoro vs Fuji clash (with a missing Law). And Kaidou is still waiting to make a move, Sanji ans Co. have their hands full. So the coming weeks will be plenty of exciting. So crying that you had to wait two weeks because people in Japan also have better things to do then to work 24/7 is such a spoiled thing to do.

@Bold: Thank God. At least some people realized it.:sniff:

I through that I was the only one wondering about by whom Fuji gets stalled until Luffy reaches the port..

 

[Bogard]

The only part i liked is when i saw Farul well again :hyper: *Tears of joy*

Well the Rebecca-Kyros part was also emotional. Besides that, i consider nothing happened

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How random and pointless lol. Naturally it'd be Bart's group when he is the one in charge of the rescue part operation, just like how it's Zoro's group when he is in charge of leading Strawhats when Luffy is absent. You know why he is the firstmate? It's because of situations like this one

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Zoro is the only one Luffy listen in serious situations. That said, i'm not in the mood in starting this debate again especially in this thread, so don't quote me for a reply

 

[Punk Hazard]

The only part i liked is when i saw Farul well again :hyper: *Tears of joy*

Well the Rebecca-Kyros part was also emotional. Besides that, i consider nothing happened
How random and pointless lol. Naturally it'd be Bart's group when he is the one in charge of the rescue part operation, just like how it's Zoro's group when he is in charge of leading Strawhats when Luffy is absent. You know why he is the firstmate? It's because of situations like this one

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Zoro is the only one Luffy listen in serious situations. That said, i'm not in the mood in starting this debate again especially in this thread, so don't quote me for a reply

Whatever's convenient.

 

[A v i]

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So, I haven't finished the chapter yet, but I just wanted to drop this here for all of the people that like to use panels of "Zoro's group" as proof of him being first mate

Are you by any chance implying that Bartho becomes second in command just because he was leading them towards port?

 

[V h o]

Nice chapter, hopefully law isn't going awol just yet

 

[Bogard]

Nice chapter, hopefully law isn't going awol just yet

He probably went for Sengoku. He seemed disturbed about him when he heard he was on the island and since he had affiliation with Rocinante, it probably has something to do with that long time past

 

[Punk Hazard]

Are you by any chance implying that Bartho becomes second in command just because he was leading them towards port?

Nope, the opposite. That the group being named after a certain character isn't some significant thing at all. It's no better than a whim on Oda's part.

 

[V h o]

He probably went for Sengoku. He seemed disturbed about him when he heard he was on the island and since he had affiliation with Rocinante, it probably has something to do with that long time past

Could be, was too hopeful of me to think the straw hats and law would stay together forever lel. Figure another arc or 2 before a split or separate for new target or goal

 

[A v i]

Nope, the opposite. That the group being named after a certain character isn't some significant thing at all. It's no better than a whim on Oda's part.

It certainly wasn't done on a whim. Bartho was the one to lead them to the port because he was the one to made preparations for their escape and is responsible for leading them towards the place where they initially planned to set sail.

 

[ssjelf]

Loved the cover page.

And well this chapter pretty much means the end of all the Viola/Rebecca next Strawhat theories.



Actually no it didn't. This 'conflict' as you call it has started since Kyros' flashback months ago, thus in the chronology of the story itself it has existed even before Rebecca was born. They faked Scarlett's death so that she could be with Kyros, a person with a bloody past and thus not really a person a princess should marry with. Rebecca was then born unbeknownst to the rest of Dressrosa. She only became known when she became a gladiator and at that point no on really cared where she came from as they would loath her regardless. However now that the Riku family has been cleared of all their supposed crimes and has gained popularity again, the same issue rises again. The past two chapters were a continuation and a means to end what already started when Scarlett eloped with Kyros and had Rebecca, so this is not something Oda made up in the previous chapter. This became especially obvious with the rumor Kyros spread about Rebecca's origins as logically now people started wondering who exactly Rebecca's father was?

You could wonder whether it was ever necessary to write the story like that as you could easily say that people would never have been bothered by Kyros' past, but the fact remains that Oda started it a long time ago, so now he has to finish it and these people first loved the Riku family, then had been hating on the them for a decade and then turned against DD to support king Riku again. So their opinion can shift rather easy simply because they only know a bit of the whole story. Them having doubts about the child of what is in fact a murdering vagrant after having been ruled for 10 years by a tyrannical pirate, isn't that implausible. Oda might regularly make unrealistic romanticizations about selfless kings and good pirates, but that doesn't mean he's going to do that all the time.

Above all these chapters are important for the character development of Rebecca and especially Kyros. Even if all of this wouldn't be that much of a problem for the outside world, for Kyros that's a very different matter as he has always been extremely insecure about Rebecca and he blames himself for everything. He thinks it's his fault that Scarlett died, that it's his fault everything Riku and Rebecca had to go through during DD's reign etc. He firmly believes that people knowing that he is her father would harm Rebecca. Whether that would indeed be true or not is actually besides the point. When she was born he didn't even dare to touch her without wearing gloves as he considered him touching her with his hands dirtied in blood as defiling her.

This insecurity is what defines Kyros' character the most. So this is really not something Oda just brought up in one chapter; everything Kyros did so far, every action he undertook has been a result of that. People who aren't interested in neither Kyros nor Rebecca are logically not going to be much interested in their development, but in the end that's a subjective thing. When more popular characters like Law get some development, many people are lyrical about it.



Based on your reply, you seem to be already emotional enough though.

You missed the point entirely. The whole part where luffy had to rescue her from the castle was unneeded. The letter was unneeded. If this had been in the last chapter all that needed to happen was for Rebecca to meet kyros somewhere and have him explain in person. Literally, it took 20 pages to resolve this when simply the last 3 would have sufficed. The people thought of Kyros as the hero of the Colosseum anyway, so its not like he needed to hide with the Sh's, he could have been in the castle somewhere private and had this meeting there.

The problem that was introduced was not that of kyros being ashamed of his past but that Rebecca needed "rescuing" at all. It was intentionally dragged out to make it feel emotionally stronger but it was a big flop.

And just to edit this to make myself more clear: I get why kyros and rebecca needed to talk, but involving luffy was not necessarry, the way it was done was dragged out longer than needed and thus could have been resolved last chapter. I am NOT saying kyros story was already rtesolved and I am NOT saying that it wasnt introduced earlier. I AM saying that kyros letter and that he was leaving and thus rebeccas need to be "rescued" WAS introduced last chapter and that part was completely unneeded. Rebecca simply visiting kyros at that house or in the palace secretly was all that was necessary, it didnt need to be 20 pages long at all. could really have been done in 5

 

[Love Cook]

You missed the point entirely. The whole part where luffy had to rescue her from the castle was unneeded. The letter was unneeded. If this had been in the last chapter all that needed to happen was for Rebecca to meet kyros somewhere and have him explain in person. Literally, it took 20 pages to resolve this when simply the last 3 would have sufficed. The people thought of Kyros as the hero of the Colosseum anyway, so its not like he needed to hide with the Sh's, he could have been in the castle somewhere private and had this meeting there.

The problem that was introduced was not that of kyros being ashamed of his past but that Rebecca needed "rescuing" at all. It was intentionally dragged out to make it feel emotionally stronger but it was a big flop.

When Luffy was still in east blue he could've sailed the other way and hopped over the red line to end up closer to raftel and finish One Piece in One chapter.

How about that master writer ?

 

[Punk Hazard]

When Luffy was still in east blue he could've sailed the other way and hopped over the red line to end up closer to raftel and finish One Piece in One chapter.

How about that master writer ?

Exactly. The way Oda just did it is good because squashing it all in 3 pages? That would have been so rushed and convoluted.

 

[ultraChalk]

Okay, my hype has died down now... I still think he chapter was awesome but the whole Kyros making up the lie thing did get resolved pretty quickly. Sort of feels like filler :/

I mean wasn't it that announcement JUST made 2 chapters ago...? And he just debunked it 2 weeks later? I do t get that but I trust Oda. Maybe he planned on having that go somewhere but decided not to and just took the quickest way of squashing that dispute. Or maybe that article will come up later to haunt him somehow.

Idk, but I'm sure there's more to it than what we see right now. Though at the moment yes, the whole focus of the chapter being in them is a little underwhelming.

 

[ssjelf]

When Luffy was still in east blue he could've sailed the other way and hopped over the red line to end up closer to raftel and finish One Piece in One chapter.

How about that master writer ?

Great argument 10/10

Exactly. The way Oda just did it is good because squashing it all in 3 pages? That would have been so rushed and convoluted.

With the way he wrote it it needed 20 pages because he introduced a new problem. but really all we needed was a few reunion pages between Rebecca and Kyros without any of the rumor nonsense or luffy kidnapping nonsense. Their reunion pages could have easily explained all the issues and the solution to them in 3 pages and if he wanted to take 5 that would be fine too, take 8 for all i care but the issue that was introduced (rebecca needing rescuing, the rumors, kyros letter) didnt need introduced at all. You wanna know the real reason for it, it was so that luffy would be separate from the crew in the next chapter and their escape would be dramatic again like always. Thats fine and all but there are surely better ways to have done that then make up some issue that didnt need solved in the first place. Coulda just had luffy go with law to back him up or something or at least see what law was up to (arriving after law finished his business with sengoku) and have to help him escape sengoku or something

oh and 3 pages is too compressed but dont you think 20 is a little bloated at this point

 

[Punk Hazard]

Great argument 10/10



With the way he wrote it it needed 20 pages because he introduced a new problem. but really all we needed was a few reunion pages between Rebecca and Kyros without any of the rumor nonsense or luffy kidnapping nonsense. Their reunion pages could have easily explained all the issues and the solution to them in 3 pages and if he wanted to take 5 that would be fine too, take 8 for all i care but the issue that was introduced (rebecca needing rescuing, the rumors, kyros letter) didnt need introduced at all. You wanna know the real reason for it, it was so that luffy would be separate from the crew in the next chapter and their escape would be dramatic again like always. Thats fine and all but there are surely better ways to have done that then make up some issue that didnt need solved in the first place. Coulda just had luffy go with law to back him up or something or at least see what law was up to (arriving after law finished his business with sengoku) and have to help him escape sengoku or something

oh and 3 pages is too compressed but dont you think 20 is a little bloated at this point

You seem to forget that Oda's priority is telling a story. He doesn't need to compress something into 3 pages. He did a good job of resolving the Rebecca storyline. Oda is a good writer because he takes his time to write the storylines, regardless of if they're super interesting to you or not.

 

[ssjelf]

You seem to forget that Oda's priority is telling a story. He doesn't need to compress something into 3 pages. He did a good job of resolving the Rebecca storyline. Oda is a good writer because he takes his time to write the storylines, regardless of if they're super interesting to you or not.

Right but people are expressing their opinions here and I expressed mine and you have yours, but I for one would rather focus on the Strawhat crew with some focus on other people. I felt like her story could have been resolved equally well with less pages. EQUALLY well. So why bother using 20 pages. My original reply to love cook was to explain that people werent upset with resolving Rebeccas story but that more time was spent on it than was needed because in our opinion, it was dragged out and actually took away form the emotions of it because it felt unrealistic (within the OP universe) to me at least.

Its not that Rebeccas story is necessarily uninteresting to me, its that the way it was written was uninteresting. I would even say it would have been resolved better in less pages because it wouldn't have felt as empty as it did.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Right but people are expressing their opinions here and I expressed mine and you have yours, but I for one would rather focus on the Strawhat crew with some focus on other people. I felt like her story could have been resolved equally well with less pages. EQUALLY well. So why bother using 20 pages. My original reply to love cook was to explain that people werent upset with resolving Rebeccas story but that more time was spent on it than was needed because in our opinion, it was dragged out and actually took away form the emotions of it because it felt unrealistic (within the OP universe) to me at least.

Its not that Rebeccas story is necessarily uninteresting to me, its that the way it was written was uninteresting. I would even say it would have been resolved better in less pages because it wouldn't have felt as empty as it did.

It's one thing to say you don't like or are not interested in what he focused on. It's a whole other thing to say Oda should have cut a storyline short because it didn't pique your interest.

Oda also spent more time than was needed on Law's flashback. The entire thing could have been summed up in three chapters, but Oda takes his time because that's what's best for the story

 

[ssjelf]

It's one thing to say you don't like or are not interested in what he focused on. It's a whole other thing to say Oda should have cut a storyline short because it didn't pique your interest.

Oda also spent more time than was needed on Law's flashback. The entire thing could have been summed up in three chapters, but Oda takes his time because that's what's best for the story

Its not cutting it short. And its not best for a story to take more pages to explain what is best explained in half that amount. And it didnt add the to story at all to make luffy rescue her. it just dragged the story. And thats my opinion. You can have have a different one and neither of us be wrong, but a lot of others think the same as me.

 

[ToshiZO]

Dressrosa has been dragged to death so I can see why people are irritated, but these are the same people that are always complaining about plot holes and crap later on. This is the reason Oda has managed to organize his story so far...because of chapters like this.

What wasn't needed was all the bs coliseum fighters in between Luffy Law vs Doflamingo, and Zoro vs Pica. That entire section should have been reduced to 3 chapters max. Really dragged with showing too much of characters we simply don't give two shits about and never will.

Something else that I find rather peculiar:

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Only other person I thought this could be was Hakuba. Cause he did something similar to this in the coliseum.

But Im pretty sure he was with the others.

 

[ssjelf]

Dressrosa has been dragged to death so I can see why people are irritated, but these are the same people that are always complaining about plot holes and crap later on. This is the reason Oda has managed to organize his story so far...because of chapters like this.

What wasn't needed was all the bs coliseum fighters in between Luffy Law vs Doflamingo, and Zoro vs Pica. That entire section should have been reduced to 3 chapters max. Really dragged with showing too much of characters we simply don't give two shits about and never will.




Only other person I thought this could be was Hakuba. Cause he did something similar to this in the coliseum.

But Im pretty sure he was with the others.

I am not one to complain about plot holes etc later at least in one piece. Oda has done a magnificent job with keeping the stroy well organized. My complaint here is that it not only did a disservice to Rebeccas story line, but it also changed the pacing of the chapter that we were xpecting to get from 2 weeks ago. If they shortened this rebecca thing a bit and brought it back into last chapter, and then this chapter focused on the SH's escape I think i would have enjoyed it more and it would have made the last chapter a little better because last chapter was kinda about bringing dressrosa to an end. and at the end was the SH's escape