@unorthodox don't underestimate my oponent smh. I wanted to debate him because i know he's good at this. At least now i know you won't be judging this lol
In this post i will counter Kakashi's more popular strategies.
1.Clone to the Kamui dimension
In this strategy Kakashi sends a clone to the Kamui dimension, and then forces Obito to teleport himself, allowing for Kakashi's clone to attack him. However, Obito has already fell prey to this strategy, and will make sure to not repeat the same mistake. --> (
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There are two ways for Kakashi to trick Obito into teleporting himself. One is via CQC, and the other with ranged techniques. I will only counter Kakashi's ranged jutsus here. Kakashi can use Suiton, but there is no water source in the location, so water technique will not only take a lot of chakra, but will also be weak, and easily overpowered by Obito's powerful Katon jutsus. --> (
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) Kakashi also has a ranged Raiton jutsu called lighting hound. To counter it Obito can simply use his shoot his chakra rods, which were powerful enough to counter an enton enhanced Susanoo arrow. --> (
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) Other choices for Obito to use are his long ranged elemental jutsus, like Katon Bomb Blast Dance, Great Fireball Jutsu, and Mokuton Cutting technque.
2.Lighting Clone + Going underground
In this strategy Kakashi creates a mud wall to block Obito's vision. He then makes lighting clone, and goes underground. When Obito kills the clone, he gets electrocuted. Kakashi then appears from below, and finishes off Obito.
Unfortunately for Kakashi, Obito can prevent this result by creating long wood brances, and stabbing the clone with them. --> (
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) Wood is an insulator, and electricity can't flow through it, meaning that Obito will not get paralyzed. Obito becomes suspicious of Kakashi's location, and decides to find out if Kakasi is hiding underground. To track down Kakashi, Obito will sense his vibrations undergroud, using hiding like a mole technique.
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique* (土遁・土竜隠れの術, Doton: Moguragakure no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, C-rank, Supplementary
Deidara, Tobi
Moving freely while being hidden underground
That is this escape technique's main point!!
←By sensing the magnetic force, the user can pinpoint where they are, despite being underground.
I will explain how Obito defeats Kakashi in my next post.
Thus technique changes earth into fine sand by flowing chakra through it, allowing the user to dig through it like a mole. While underground, one can sense what is happening on the surface and use that information to launch a surprise attack on the enemy. One can also hide deep in the ground, escaping to a depth where the enemy can't reach.
*The kanji of "mogura" literally mean "earth dragon". Yes, the Japanese decided to call their moles earth dragons**. I love this language more with every minute.
**It probably comes from the verb moguru (潜る, "to dive," "to get in," "to go underground"), though, but why let etymology stand in the way of a bad-ass name?
After that Obito will use Mokuton Underground Roots Technique to force Kakashi , to show himself above ground.
I will explain how Obito defeats Kakashi in my next post.
Okay first of all I want to state what are Kakashi’s viable options against Obito, which are 2.
1- As NSUNR already stated, one of Kakashi’s strategies would be sending a clone to the kamui dimension. After Obito sees Kakashi has sent a clone to the kamui dimension he’d choose to fight without using intangibility, since if he uses it, he gets striked from the clone in the pocket dimension. This gives Kakashi a massive advantage because it forces Obito to fight without his strongest jutsu (ghost mode). Then Kakashi would beat him on base skills given the fact that Obito relies too much on Kamui while Kakashi has decent feats on all categories too.
2- The second one is Kakashi’s easiest way to win. If kakashi can perform this, Obito is screwed and it would be a low-med diff win for Kakashi. This strategy is about sending the clone to the other dimension without Obito noticing it. As it happened in cannon, if Obito doesn’t know there’s a clone on the other dimension, he’d fight normally using his ghost mode, which is why he got his mask broken.
All Kakashi has to do is to make a mud wall to block Obito’s LoS, and then send the clone away with kamui without Obito knowing it. After that he only needs to strike Obito so he turns intangible and then the other clone stabs him from the other dimension. Kakashi can also perform this strategy by going underground, if he used hiding like a mole, and makes the clone underground and warps it away, there’s no way Obito would know Kakashi has a clone on the pocket dimension.
This strategy is the best way for Kakashi to win.
To clear misconceptions from the first minute:
-Kakashi’s Kamui is too fast for Obito’s eyesight, so if Kakashi plays right, Obito won’t see the warping of the clone, ever.Inb4 someone says he was able to stop Kakashi’s kamui against gedo mazo, thus making it obvious he can see Kakashi’s kamui. When Kakashi warps a big object (such as the gedo mazo’s head) the warping takes more time, which gave Obito more time to react. Here are two examples of Kakashi’s kamui being faster than what Obito can perceive when the objects were smaller than the gedo mazo’s head:
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-Inb4 someone says Kakashi’s clone wouldn’t get the chance to strike Obito from the other dimension because he wouldn’t know where Obito’s body parts are gonna spawn, let me say that its pretty clear that the clone would know where Obito is on the real dimension, letting him know where is he gonna spawn on the pocket dimension when he goes intangible. Proof? Here:
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Kakashi warped exactly where Obito was. How’s that possible? Kakashi knows where Obito is from the pocket dimension, so his clone would know where to be when Obito uses ghost mode.
In this post i will counter Kakashi's more popular strategies.
1.Clone to the Kamui dimension
In this strategy Kakashi sends a clone to the Kamui dimension, and then forces Obito to teleport himself, allowing for Kakashi's clone to attack him. However, Obito has already fell prey to this strategy, and will make sure to not repeat the same mistake. --> (
This is only viable if Kakashi uses strategy n°1, which is letting Obito know he has a clone on the pocket dimension. If Kakashi does it secretly then he would suffer the same fate as he did against BM Naruto’s clone.
Anyways, even if things were to play out like this, Kakashi still beats Obito due to his superior feats on base skills that don’t involve Kamui.
There are two ways for Kakashi to trick Obito into teleporting himself. One is via CQC, and the other with ranged techniques. I will only counter Kakashi's ranged jutsus here. Kakashi can use Suiton, but there is no water source in the location, so water technique will not only take a lot of chakra, but will also be weak, and easily overpowered by Obito's powerful Katon jutsus. --> (
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) Kakashi also has a ranged Raiton jutsu called lighting hound. To counter it Obito can simply use his shoot his chakra rods, which were powerful enough to counter an enton enhanced Susanoo arrow. --> (
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) Other choices for Obito to use are his long ranged elemental jutsus, like Katon Bomb Blast Dance, Great Fireball Jutsu, and Mokuton Cutting technque.
Bold: How come? You should counter everything.
I tought this was MS Obito without chakra rods (which come from rinnegan) but okay.
I must concede on the fact that long ranged jutsus are not helping Kakashi here. He would only win with the usage of clone feints, superior CQC and speed. None of Kakashi’s long range jutsus are useful against someone like Obito if he has chakra rods.
Anyways:
-Giant fireball jutsu: Gets countered by going underground, as Kakashi did to Itachi:
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-Katom bombm blast dance: The same as above, Kakashi goes underground. This jutsu is bigger but still doesn’t reach underground.
-Mokuton techs: These are easely dodged or overpowered by Kakashi’s raiden and raikiri. Kakashi’s speed feats are too good to say he would get caught by that jutsu.
-He reacted to a v2 jin strike, which were fast enough to given even KM Naruto could react properly. Kakashi’s feats get even better when he fights 4 of them just by his own. I’ll post it after showing this:
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-He kept up with 4 v2 jins all by himself until Naruto came out of the 4 tail’s stomach. Since its clearly showed, Bee and Naruto were bussy against Son Goku, Gai was bussy against the 5 tails in full BM, and Kakashi was bussy against the remaining 4 jins which were all in v2 form, look at the bottom panel on the right
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The rest of the fight was outpaneled. But Kakashi survived against them sustaining no injuries until the moment naruto came out of the bijuu’s stomach 2 chapters after that.
So Kakashi is not getting caught by Obito’s mokuton in a million years. He dodges it or destroys it with raiden.
So if Kakashi sends a clone to the other dimension in front of Obito’s nose, thus making him fight without his intangibility, he beats him due to his superior taijutsu skills, reflexes and clone feints abilities. He could keep up with 4 v2 jins at the same time so he is definitely faster than Obito sunshin wise. Obito has no feats of a striking speed good enough to match 4 v2 jins at the same time without Kamui
2.Lighting Clone + Going underground
In this strategy Kakashi creates a mud wall to block Obito's vision. He then makes lighting clone, and goes underground. When Obito kills the clone, he gets electrocuted. Kakashi then appears from below, and finishes off Obito.
Unfortunately for Kakashi, Obito can prevent this result by creating long wood brances, and stabbing the clone with them. --> (
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) Wood is an insulator, and electricity can't flow through it, meaning that Obito will not get paralyzed. Obito becomes suspicious of Kakashi's location, and decides to find out if Kakasi is hiding underground. To track down Kakashi, Obito will sense his vibrations undergroud, using hiding like a mole technique.
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique* (土遁・土竜隠れの術, Doton: Moguragakure no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, C-rank, Supplementary
Deidara, Tobi
Moving freely while being hidden underground
That is this escape technique's main point!!
←By sensing the magnetic force, the user can pinpoint where they are, despite being underground.
Thus technique changes earth into fine sand by flowing chakra through it, allowing the user to dig through it like a mole. While underground, one can sense what is happening on the surface and use that information to launch a surprise attack on the enemy. One can also hide deep in the ground, escaping to a depth where the enemy can't reach.
*The kanji of "mogura" literally mean "earth dragon". Yes, the Japanese decided to call their moles earth dragons**. I love this language more with every minute.
**It probably comes from the verb moguru (潜る, "to dive," "to get in," "to go underground"), though, but why let etymology stand in the way of a bad-ass name?
After that Obito will use Mokuton Underground Roots Technique to force Kakashi , to show himself above ground.
I will explain how Obito defeats Kakashi in my next post.
-First of all, you’re underrating Kakashi’s clone. Lightining clone is not like a normal bunshin, it’s a lot stronger and faster. It’s almost as strong as fast as the real Kakashi. Look here, he was still a lot faster than Pain, and he could even perform chidori variants. So lightining clone is not weak as normal clones are.
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The clone was even able to use lightining wolf technique. So if Obito tries to take the clone down with wood technqiques (which I already addressed are too weak to take down Kakashi) then the clone destroys it with a chidori variant, or simply avoids it. He’s faster than Obito.
-Second of all, you’re assuming Kakashi would wait until his clone gets destroyed to pup of the ground, which is fallacious, why would he do that? The clone is merely a distraction, as soon as Obito goes chasing after the clone, he can take the chance and come up and surprise Obito.
-Third of all, you’re overrating Obito’s mokuton capabilities. Obito’s mokuton is not as strong as when he used it against those fodder shinobis. He was using zetsu as a armour and that’s why he could use that technique so well. We already saw how much mokuton techs improve when the user is using Zetsu as an armour, look at what Yamato did to the Gokage. Obito’s mokuton without Zetsu is like this:
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No where near the level of the one he used when he was with zetsu. This one was barely able to restrain Naruto (which didn’t work because naruto scaped easely).
Those dangerous spikes made of wood are clearly Zetsu’s powers, not Obito’s. Look here, Zetsu performed it without Obito. Yamato didn’t have that ability either.
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Anyways, even if Obito could perform it without zetsu, that’s not getting Kakashi with that.
Obito has no way to beat Kakashi without his intangibility. Kakashi bests him in speed, reflexes and has better attacks. If Obito uses to use intangibility he gets killed by the clone on the pocket dimension.
If Kakashi goes for strategy n2 (which is not letting Obito know he sent a clone to the kamui dimension) Obito won’t find a reason to fight without intangibility and use it as its easier to fight that way, and then he gets beaten like it happened to him against Naruto.
Konoha’s copy cat ninja > Akatsuki’s ghost.
