[Discussion] Fairy Tail on a break!

[Hexuze]

I see.

Well....Ignoring all of that.......What is the best chapter for you in Tartarus arc?.

These moments for sure:

There r few actually gray getting devil slayer magic. Sting and rouge joining the show, dragons appearing to fight of acnologia and face, Lucy summoning the spirit king.

Dragons popping up and obliterating Face, rawr.

Sorry, I don't remember the chapter number but I would add these moments as well:
-Natsu's promise to igneel and his final moments.
-Reveal of E.N.D
-Wendy using dragon force
-Lucy and aquarius moment (which I guess could be tied in with the summoning of the spirit king)

 

[Memento Mori]

There r few actually gray getting devil slayer magic. Sting and rouge joining the show, dragons appearing to fight of acnologia and face, Lucy summoning the spirit king.

Agreed. Lucy summoning Spirit King came out of surprise for me. In future Lucy will be able to summon all the Zodiacs and Spirit King himself without any cost of his spirits. It has been foreshadowed in the Loke arc.

Dragons popping up and obliterating Face, rawr.

Agreed. And the designs of the Dragons were awesome.

These moments for sure:

Sorry, I don't remember the chapter number but I would add these moments as well:
-Natsu's promise to igneel and his final moments.
-Reveal of E.N.D
-Wendy using dragon force
-Lucy and aquarius moment (which I guess could be tied in with the summoning of the spirit king)

Agreed. And in addition to them, Fairy Tail Disbanding.

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For me.....,

I thought for sometime to decide on which chapter is the best one in the tartarus arc. Finally I came to the decision that Chapter 368 is the best written chapter in the tartarus arc. Mashima did an intricate writing and illustration in that particular chapter. I didn't even noticed it myself unless Mashima gave a complete picture of that in next chapter that is chapter 369.

The best part of that chapter is the narration itself. In that chapter we can see the hope of fairies in the guild not knowing what is about to come. Struggle of Natsu and Lisanna to escape from the prison. Torture of Erza to find about Jellal's location. And on top of all complicated writing of Jellal's fight against OS. Mashima Put a lot of thought into that chapter.

Whenever I think about this chapter, I always think how I didn't noticed that there is no possibility of breaking Brain's seal to unleash Zero. And I have forgotten about the complete option of Midnight's nightmare vision. lol. Now that I look at it, that level of attack Zero used on Jellal in chapter 368 shouldn't hurt him.

Simply saying.......

• Firstly, There is no way the seal on Brain's body will dissolve to unleash Zero. For the seal to dissolve, all of the OS members should be defeated. None of them are defeated in chapter 368 to the point which would unseal Zero. On top of all Hoteye(Richard), one of the member of OS didn't even involved in the fight. He is safe and good. So there is no way Zero can be unsealed. But see what Mashima did in chapter 368!.

• Secondly, the Dark Capricon attack Zero used on Jellal in
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  It didn't have that much impact on Jellal unlike in chapter 368. Moreover there is no way Zero could have gotten stronger(Who was in prison for 7 years) to pierce through Jellal, if any Jellal is the one who got stronger after the first timeskip. So this scenario is higly unlikely to happen but see what Mashima did in chapter 368!

• Lastly, the option of Midnight using his nightmare. I didn't even considered about this lol. But in the next chapter, that is in chapter 369 Mashima showed us this is the case. That is the depth in that chapter. And that is why I think this is one of the best chapter of the Series and one of the best chapter of tartarus arc.

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Now like how we talked about the best chapter of the tartarus arc, What is the Bad chapter for you?.

 

[milkydean]

I didnt like franmalth and him having hades soul
so the chapter he gets defeated and the chapter he revealed having hades soul
next will be elfman oneshotting sayla , sayla was one of the most interesting 9 dg, i expected hiro to giver her more depth and add more to her character rather than just making her fight mira
Next will be erza vs kyouka conclusion, everyting about kyouka was great, her character, mindset and power, but her defeat left a bad taste in my mouth, atleast a minerva and erza vs kyouka would have been much better

Also i would like to share my best moments from tartarus arc too
lucy summoning csk , the best chapter imo, the art was great and that entry was majestic
df wendy will be next, i think it was chapter 377-378
mira's backstory ,sadly it was neutralised by sayla's defeat
mard soloing the trio ds like a boss
igneel vs acno , dragons destroying face were really great
gajeel vs torafusa, really liked torafusa a lot, one my fav 9dg
gray and silver parts and gray receiving ice des magic
the final fight between mard and gray

 

[Hexuze]

Nice analysis on chapter 368, save.

For me the bad chapters of the Tartaros arc is hard to say. For this arc there weren't any chapters that I could remember where I found myself being displeased with majority of the events that occurred in that particular chapter. However, that's not to say that this arc had no bad moments at all. The moments that I felt were bad was dealing with Jiemma. I mean, I felt his return was random and wasted. We already knew about Sting and Rogue's character development. The defeat was cool even though I felt the fight could of been a bit longer.

Also, the whole thing about dragons being able to alter human memories, was that foreshadowed before? I know the dragons being inside DS's was foreshadowed countless times but what about dragons altering human memories?

Although I was binge reading this arc so I could see that the people who read this arc on a weekly basis were more easily to find the flaws or "bad chapters".

 

[loj]

All I know is that I love Erza.

 

[Hexuze]

All I know is that I love Erza.

We all love Erza. :hooray:

 

[Memento Mori]

I didnt like franmalth and him having hades soul
so the chapter he gets defeated and the chapter he revealed having hades soul
next will be elfman oneshotting sayla , sayla was one of the most interesting 9 dg, i expected hiro to giver her more depth and add more to her character rather than just making her fight mira
Next will be erza vs kyouka conclusion, everyting about kyouka was great, her character, mindset and power, but her defeat left a bad taste in my mouth, atleast a minerva and erza vs kyouka would have been much better

Also i would like to share my best moments from tartarus arc too
lucy summoning csk , the best chapter imo, the art was great and that entry was majestic
df wendy will be next, i think it was chapter 377-378
mira's backstory ,sadly it was neutralised by sayla's defeat
mard soloing the trio ds like a boss
igneel vs acno , dragons destroying face were really great
gajeel vs torafusa, really liked torafusa a lot, one my fav 9dg
gray and silver parts and gray receiving ice des magic
the final fight between mard and gray

The execution of Seira Vs Elfman is not good but that came out of surprise to knock out the demon when she left her guard down. And mirajane took some power of Macro from Seira. And it was showed later that Seira wasn't defeated but got knocked out/fainted. Okay.

As for Erza Vs Minerva fight, the only part of what it is bad is the half-baked explanation for Erza getting back up when her all the five senses were removed. The best part about that fight is Minerva finishing her off and face activating even though Kyouka lost. Agreed that Minerva & Erza Vs Kyouka would have been good. At best I can see this chapter as a below average chapter not a bad one.

Agreed with that. As for Mirajane's backstory......?!. Is it only me or did anyone noticed that the arm of Mirajane when she was a child is nothing similar to her any of the Satan souls. Also she got cursed when she visited the church, right?. Some ritual might have happened there. Mashima is foreshadowing something here. What if Mirajane's new satan soul will be similar to that?!. Guess we will fin it out soon enough.

Nice analysis on chapter 368, save.

For me the bad chapters of the Tartaros arc is hard to say. For this arc there weren't any chapters that I could remember where I found myself being displeased with majority of the events that occurred in that particular chapter. However, that's not to say that this arc had no bad moments at all. The moments that I felt were bad was dealing with Jiemma. I mean, I felt his return was random and wasted. We already knew about Sting and Rogue's character development. The defeat was cool even though I felt the fight could of been a bit longer.

Also, the whole thing about dragons being able to alter human memories, was that foreshadowed before? I know the dragons being inside DS's was foreshadowed countless times but what about dragons altering human memories?

Although I was binge reading this arc so I could see that the people who read this arc on a weekly basis were more easily to find the flaws or "bad chapters".

Thanks.

Agreed with Jiemma part.

Dragons altering Sting and Rogue's memory didn't foreshadowed explicitly but there are subtle hints about that. Like in GMG arc Natsu questioning both Sting and Rogue that 'Do you really killed your (Parents)dragons?' along those lines when Twin Dragons are failing to put a fight against Natsu and Gajeel. Other than that there isn't any particular mentioning about the whole dragons altering humans memories. It is more like a new plot line that has been introduced. Dragons are a fairy folklore till Sirius Island arc in the manga. No one knows what is the full potential of dragons rather than hearing about them in history. So it came no wonder to me that they can alter human memories. It is part of their power.

We all love Erza. :hooray:

I remember you are Erza fan.

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As for me......

• The bad chapter of this arc is without a doubt chapter 409. The execution of that fight is bad. It is like Mashima is hurrying to end that fight. Given the dialogues in that chapter are good with the little conflicts of Sabertooth Former Guild Master and Twin Dragons but that alone doesn't make this chapter a good one. I consider all the elements, narration and illustration, how well the space in the panel has been utilized etc., in the chapter(s) before I say my final verdict. Other than that I can't think of any chapters that are bad. Overall in this arc, there are few/arguably more Good chapters, few above average, average, below average chapters and one Bad chapter.

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My Personal Opinons -

• Chapter 409 - I have no problem with this chapter. I enjoyed it as any other chapter. Jiemma got paid back for his cruel intentions. I liked the attack Sting and Rogue used though it is nothing knew but a unison raid performed by two individuals unlike Future Rogue!. I also like all the Erza Vs Kyoka fight personally. Fairies getting back after beaten up.....kawaii!! Don't confuse this with what I said above. It is my highly subjective biased opinion.

• Chapter 414 - I hate this chapter. Igneel was killed in it. I was waiting for Igneel for so many years till now reading this manga but oh well, Mashima killed the long awaited return of Igneel. The death of Igneel left a bad taste in my mouth. I was expecting more and more but disappointed. Before you quote me saying 'No', don't do that!.

• Chapter 416 - Worst chapter of this arc. No matter how I look at this chapter. I can't bear the thought that Natsu left Lucy all alone for a year. I have no words to describe this chapter. Sorry if it is rude. You may think I am biased because I am a Nalu fan but whatever!.

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To be honest, in my critical point of view, chapter 416 is an above average chapter at best. Not a bad one or a good one either.

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That is all!. Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts.

 

[Hexuze]

Eh, I'd rather much prefer if it was foreshadowed. A new plot line can always be foreshadowed but it's nothing too big. I was just curious since the long time fans are more likely to notice these types of things.

I agree with chapter 409.

Igneel's death wasn't a shocker for me. I felt more sad seeing Natsu cry and his own dad die right there. Igneel's death was kinda sad but still a great moment (not that I wanted him to die). Maybe once I watch the anime I'll feel more sad.

Your chapter 416 response made me lol. Natsu x Lucy is the best pairing and IMO I think it's great that they separated for a long time. It made their reunion that much better. I'm a fan of their pairing as well and there could of been better alternatives that just having him leave Lucy like that. Well, I bet you wanted Natsu and Lucy to have a similar treatment like Gray and Juvia. xD (aside from Gray leaving after a while)

 

[Memento Mori]

Eh, I'd rather much prefer if it was foreshadowed. A new plot line can always be foreshadowed but it's nothing too big. I was just curious since the long time fans are more likely to notice these types of things.

I agree with chapter 409.

Igneel's death wasn't a shocker for me. I felt more sad seeing Natsu cry and his own dad die right there. Igneel's death was kinda sad but still a great moment (not that I wanted him to die). Maybe once I watch the anime I'll feel more sad.

Well, I messed it up there. It wasn't a new one but the Memory manipulation magic exists till chapter 213. It is just that now dragons are able to perform it. Asking whether it was foreshadowed or not?. I will say partially yes. There's been hinting about that and that is all.

Your chapter 416 response made me lol. Natsu x Lucy is the best pairing and IMO I think it's great that they separated for a long time. It made their reunion that much better. I'm a fan of their pairing as well and there could of been better alternatives that just having him leave Lucy like that. Well, I bet you wanted Natsu and Lucy to have a similar treatment like Gray and Juvia. xD (aside from Gray leaving after a while)

lol. okay.

 

[milkydean]

The execution of Seira Vs Elfman is not good but that came out of surprise to knock out the demon when she left her guard down. And mirajane took some power of Macro from Seira. And it was showed later that Seira wasn't defeated but got knocked out/fainted. Okay.

As for Erza Vs Minerva fight, the only part of what it is bad is the half-baked explanation for Erza getting back up when her all the five senses were removed. The best part about that fight is Minerva finishing her off and face activating even though Kyouka lost. Agreed that Minerva & Erza Vs Kyouka would have been good. At best I can see this chapter as a below average chapter not a bad one.

Agreed with that. As for Mirajane's backstory......?!. Is it only me or did anyone noticed that the arm of Mirajane when she was a child is nothing similar to her any of the Satan souls. Also she got cursed when she visited the church, right?. Some ritual might have happened there. Mashima is foreshadowing something here. What if Mirajane's new satan soul will be similar to that?!. Guess we will fin it out soon enough.



Thanks.

Agreed with Jiemma part.

Dragons altering Sting and Rogue's memory didn't foreshadowed explicitly but there are subtle hints about that. Like in GMG arc Natsu questioning both Sting and Rogue that 'Do you really killed your (Parents)dragons?' along those lines when Twin Dragons are failing to put a fight against Natsu and Gajeel. Other than that there isn't any particular mentioning about the whole dragons altering humans memories. It is more like a new plot line that has been introduced. Dragons are a fairy folklore till Sirius Island arc in the manga. No one knows what is the full potential of dragons rather than hearing about them in history. So it came no wonder to me that they can alter human memories. It is part of their power.



I remember you are Erza fan.

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As for me......

• The bad chapter of this arc is without a doubt chapter 409. The execution of that fight is bad. It is like Mashima is hurrying to end that fight. Given the dialogues in that chapter are good with the little conflicts of Sabertooth Former Guild Master and Twin Dragons but that alone doesn't make this chapter a good one. I consider all the elements, narration and illustration, how well the space in the panel has been utilized etc., in the chapter(s) before I say my final verdict. Other than that I can't think of any chapters that are bad. Overall in this arc, there are few/arguably more Good chapters, few above average, average, below average chapters and one Bad chapter.

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My Personal Opinons -

• Chapter 409 - I have no problem with this chapter. I enjoyed it as any other chapter. Jiemma got paid back for his cruel intentions. I liked the attack Sting and Rogue used though it is nothing knew but a unison raid performed by two individuals unlike Future Rogue!. I also like all the Erza Vs Kyoka fight personally. Fairies getting back after beaten up.....kawaii!! Don't confuse this with what I said above. It is my highly subjective biased opinion.

• Chapter 414 - I hate this chapter. Igneel was killed in it. I was waiting for Igneel for so many years till now reading this manga but oh well, Mashima killed the long awaited return of Igneel. The death of Igneel left a bad taste in my mouth. I was expecting more and more but disappointed. Before you quote me saying 'No', don't do that!.

• Chapter 416 - Worst chapter of this arc. No matter how I look at this chapter. I can't bear the thought that Natsu left Lucy all alone for a year. I have no words to describe this chapter. Sorry if it is rude. You may think I am biased because I am a Nalu fan but whatever!.

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To be honest, in my critical point of view, chapter 416 is an above average chapter at best. Not a bad one or a good one either.

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That is all!. Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts.

Th reason i disliked erza vs kyouka was bcoz i liked kyouka and her character, i knew she was gonna get defeated but i think a more legit way would have been better

 

[Hexuze]

Well, I messed it up there. It wasn't a new one but the Memory manipulation magic exists till chapter 213. It is just that now dragons are able to perform it. Asking whether it was foreshadowed or not?. I will say partially yes. There's been hinting about that and that is all.



lol. okay.

Wait, wasn't it even as early as the first chapter/episode? I think there was some dude using mind manipulation magic. If I'm wrong then I guess your example counts.

 

[Memento Mori]

Th reason i disliked erza vs kyouka was bcoz i liked kyouka and her character, i knew she was gonna get defeated but i think a more legit way would have been better

Yes I knew but Erza handles everything alone. Dat Erza

Wait, wasn't it even as early as the first chapter/episode? I think there was some dude using mind manipulation magic. If I'm wrong then I guess your example counts.

It was Mest Gryder. He can manipulate memories and it was first introduced in chapter 213. Yes it is similar to charm power that was introduced in chapter 1. I have re-read some chapters where Igneel was shown in GMG arc.

It was foreshadowed that Skiadrum and Weisslogia aren't dead.

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I checked the volume 35, the translation is correct for that page like how MP translated it. Igneel says ''the time for us to move is near'' after mentioning Weisslogia and Skiadrum. Meaning Igneel was planning onto come out of Natsu and other Dragon Slayers bodies. It implies that Weisslogia and Skiadrum are alive along with Igneel & others. lol another foreshadowing I didn't noticed till now.