Edo Itachi vs SM Kabuto

[Manda II]

This is basically the same fight that happened in the manga, but Itachi goes all out this time. Itachi still has the intel he acquired in the canon fight.

Restriction: ET, Izanami


Who wins?

 

[Haizaki]

Kabuto and it doesn't go above Med Diff.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Kabuto and it doesn't go above Med Diff.

Lol, please elaborate. I'm pretty sure we discussed this before and you agreed it could go either way.

 

[Manda II]

I used to think Kabuto would stomp badly, but after thinking it now I believe without Tayuya's sound genjutsu Edo Itachi takes it high diff.

 

[Haizaki]

Lol, please elaborate. I'm pretty sure we discussed this before and you agreed it could go either way.

Lol On my phone but I remember you said high diff and I agreed. I can't remember saying it could go either way but at that point I may have ignored some exploits because Kabuto's arsenal is ridiculous.

Don't forget he even needed Sasuke to break that Sound Genjutsu. Edit: It's restricted damn.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I used to think Kabuto would stomp badly, but now I think without Tayuya's genjutsu Edo Itachi takes it high diff.

Even with it, Itachi counters with a bunshin, just like he did with Sasuke.

 

[Manda II]

Even with it, Itachi counters with a bunshin, just like he did with Sasuke.

Good point. Actually, I'll remove Tayuya from restrictions now.

 

[Haizaki]

Good point. Actually, I'll remove Tayuya from restrictions now.

That's assuming Kabuto doesn't use Muki Tensei to eliminate the clone before he uses that Genjutsu.

 

[LuckyMan]

Kabuto mid difficulties him.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Dont see how itachi wins without izanami, especially when kabuto is completely anti-uchiha. If its in the cave again then this is low doff for kabuto.

 

[Manda II]

That's assuming Kabuto doesn't use Muki Tensei to eliminate the clone before he uses that Genjutsu.

If Kabuto uses Muki Tensei before the sound genjutsu, Itachi would respond by activating Susano'o to shield both himself and his clone.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

That's assuming Kabuto doesn't use Muki Tensei to eliminate the clone before he uses that Genjutsu.

At work and on my phone, but Itachi's jutsu execution>>>Kabutos use of Tayuyas jutsu. Whenever she comes out, Itachi either attempts to prevent it from happening or creates a clone soon as the jursu is initiated. And then what Manda said.

 

[KidGamer65]

Itachi wins.

1. White Rage was countered in canon.
2. Muki Tensei was countered in canon.
3. Sound Genjutsu is countered via Clone. If he attacks the clone, it can use Susanoo to protect itself.
4. Manda II is sealed via Totsuka.
5. Kabuto's speed is not an issue in terms of blitzing as Itachi has canonically shown to easily react and keep up with him.
6. Sound 5 techs were countered in canon. Either by Itachi, or Sasuke using techs that Itachi also possesses.

Lol this fight pretty much already happened. Only differences are that Sasuke's contributions can be replaced by Itachi's Clone and the match ends with Kabuto dead instead of just trapped in Izanami.

 

[Haizaki]

If Kabuto uses Muki Tensei before the sound genjutsu, Itachi would respond by activating Susano'o to shield both himself and his clone.

Doesn't work like that especially when the Jutsu can come from underneath as well. Not to mention Itachi reactions were slower when he tried to protect someone else correct? Otherwise I don't see why he didn't protect both himself and Sasuke if he could just do so? On my phone so I'm not really viewing attachments.

 

[Haizaki]

@FT well let's just dice it out when we both free for this?

 

[RedRobin]

Itachi wins.

1. White Rage was countered in canon.
2. Muki Tensei was countered in canon.
3. Sound Genjutsu is countered via Clone. If he attacks the clone, it can use Susanoo to protect itself.
4. Manda II is sealed via Totsuka.
5. Kabuto's speed is not an issue in terms of blitzing as Itachi has canonically shown to easily react and keep up with him.
6. Sound 5 techs were countered in canon. Either by Itachi, or Sasuke using techs that Itachi also possesses.

Lol this fight pretty much already happened. Only differences are that Sasuke's contributions can be replaced by Itachi's Clone and the match ends with Kabuto dead instead of just trapped in Izanami.

When has Itachi ever shown to be able to use a susano with a clone? Madara has only shown to be able to do that with wood clones.

 

[KidGamer65]

When has Itachi ever shown to be able to use a susano with a clone? Madara has only shown to be able to do that with wood clones.

If your clones have enough chakra to use a jutsu, then they can use it. Madara had enough chakra to use 25 w/ Wood Clones. Shadow Clones are the same as wood clones except they poof more easily and they aren't as sturdy. Itachi was on death's door and manifested a V4 susanoo. Something with half his chakra would obviously be able to use a Ribcage or even higher unless you think that it takes over half his chakra to pull something like that off, then you'd have to argue that Itachi had over half his chakra when he was 5 seconds away from kicking the bucket.

 

[RedRobin]

If your clones have enough chakra to use a jutsu, then they can use it. Madara had enough chakra to use 25 w/ Wood Clones. Shadow Clones are the same as wood clones except they poof more easily and they aren't as sturdy. Itachi was on death's door and manifested a V4 susanoo. Something with half his chakra would obviously be able to use a Ribcage or even higher unless you think that it takes over half his chakra to pull something like that off, then you'd have to argue that Itachi had over half his chakra when he was 5 seconds away from kicking the bucket.

You are completely ignoring that Madara had Hashirama's DNA in him which was shown to power up Obito's MS technique to the point where he could spam it. It doesnt have to do with how much chakra you have, if Itachi couldnt pull this off when alive as he alone was struggling to keep Susano on himself then he is not doing it as an edo with a clone.

 

[Manda II]

Doesn't work like that especially when the Jutsu can come from underneath as well.

If you're trying to say rock spikes will get underneath Susano'o like Gaara's sand I honestly doubt it will function the same way, because Muki Tensei is far more linear and much less flexible compared to Gaara's sand. Then there is the fact Itachi can read the Ox seal that Kabuto uses to initiate MT which he can respond by covering the area around him with Amaterasu. Extreme heat canonically was shown to nullify environment alterations MT caused, so this would solve the whole deal beforehand.

Not to mention Itachi reactions were slower when he tried to protect someone else correct? Otherwise I don't see why he didn't protect both himself and Sasuke if he could just do so? On my phone so I'm not really viewing attachments.

All Itachi needs to do is activate a higher level of Susano'o (v2-v3) than ribcage to house his clone together with himself. V3 activation is instant, and this time he will be expecting the jutsu. Also a simple ribcage used from the clone, which protects from all sides would suffice. [

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[KidGamer65]

You are completely ignoring that Madara had Hashirama's DNA in him which was shown to power up Obito's MS technique to the point where he could spam it. It doesnt have to do with how much chakra you have, if Itachi couldnt pull this off when alive as he alone was struggling to keep Susano on himself then he is not doing it as an edo with a clone.

And you decided to go on about irrelevant things and not counter a word of what I stated.

If your clones have enough chakra to use a jutsu, then they can use it. Madara had enough chakra to use 25 w/ Wood Clones. Shadow Clones are the same as wood clones except they poof more easily and they aren't as sturdy. Itachi was on death's door and manifested a V4 susanoo. Something with half his chakra would obviously be able to use a Ribcage or even higher unless you think that it takes over half his chakra to pull something like that off, then you'd have to argue that Itachi had over half his chakra when he was 5 seconds away from kicking the bucket.

And now you are attempting to tell me that using jutsu has nothing to do with chakra... :lol And you are comparing an alive Itachi on death's door to a fresh Itachi. Am I supposed to take this seriously? Obito was able to spam Kamui w/o any stamina effects because Hashirama's DNA boosted his physical energy, thus his stamina, thus his chakra. Madara was able to use multiple Susanoo w/ 25 clones because he had the chakra to do so.