Kisame vs MS Sasuke

[solorflare99]

Sorry its not gonna eat something multiple times more severe when a simple fireball got Samehada going through pain. Nothing points at Samehada being able to. To this day there is no counter for amaterasu, only fan fiction.

It not fan fiction if it is true. It's in the manga. He absorbed the fireball because it was made out of chakra. Ama is made out of chakra.
Kisame can force Samehada to do what he wants

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LOL at Amateratsu being "multiple times more severe "

Is that why it couldn't even take out fodder?

Same agument still stands, whether you deny it or not. Kisame will force Samehada to absorb the flames.

 

[ToshiZO]

^ haha nice scan that proved a lot. Its not about Kisame forcing Samehada to do something. Its about Samehada being incapable of absorbing amaterasu due to extreme pain. I'll keep saying this, if Samehada had trouble with a simple fireball it's not absorbing that same attack amplified. You're spewing No Limits Fallacy right now.

 

[solorflare99]

^ haha nice scan that proved a lot. Its not about Kisame forcing Samehada to do something. Its about Samehada being incapable of absorbing amaterasu due to extreme pain. I'll keep saying this, if Samehada had trouble with a simple fireball it's not absorbing that same attack amplified. You're spewing No Limits Fallacy right now.

Do you realize that pain only limits you physically because of the victims own mentality. If Kisame is controlling samehada then Samehada's own mentality will not interfere. It's common sense, sorry you don't get it:eww:. It isn't a No limit Fallacy as the limit is caused by Samehada's own mentality, but Samehada's own mentality is not a factor if Kisame is in control. Simple=D

 

[ToshiZO]

Do you realize that pain only limits you physically because of the victims own mentality. If Kisame is controlling samehada then Samehada's own mentality will not interfere. It's common sense, sorry you don't get it:eww:. It isn't a No limit Fallacy as the limit is caused by Samehada's own mentality, but Samehada's own mentality is not a factor if Kisame is in control. Simple=D

lol its pretty simple. It is an automatic reaction, not something that can be controlled. Whats Kisame gonna do to make Samehada absorb something it is incapable of absorbing? If Samehada was hurting from a regular fireball, its gonna be damn near death with amaterasu that's not something you can control.

Samehada is known for absorbing chakra thats fine, but as soon as we start to see it having trouble with basic attacks of a certain nature we know it has limits.

 

[solorflare99]

lol its pretty simple. It is an automatic reaction, not something that can be controlled. Whats Kisame gonna do to make Samehada absorb something it is incapable of absorbing? If Samehada was hurting from a regular fireball, its gonna be damn near death with amaterasu that's not something you can control.

Samehada is known for absorbing chakra thats fine, but as soon as we start to see it having trouble with basic attacks of a certain nature we know it has limits.

You have no evidence that it can't be absorbed, only that it would cause pain.

1. Absorbing that fire ball only showed pain to be caused
2. You have no evidence that it would even bring Samehada near death. Ama can't even kill fodder upon contact yet samehada can tank a sword stab from Killer bee. Obviously it has the durability. Nothing shows that pain will kill samehada.

See what you have to prove is that pain will cause him to no absorb Ama, but nothing suggest that from the manga infact the opposite is shown.

1. It pained Samehada to absorb fireball but is still was absorbed.

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2. It pained(a different pain then physical) to absorb killer bee's chakra yet Kisame still made him do it.

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3. Killer Bee hit samehada with a full power V2 Lariat, yet samehada still absorbed a huge chunk of chakra.

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My argument still stands. Kisame will force samahada to absorb the flames.

 

[ToshiZO]

You have no evidence that it can't be absorbed, only that it would cause pain.

1. Absorbing that fire ball only showed pain to be caused
2. You have no evidence that it would even bring Samehada near death. Ama can't even kill fodder upon contact yet samehada can tank a sword stab from Killer bee. Obviously it has the durability. Nothing shows that pain will kill samehada.

See what you have to prove is that pain will cause him to no absorb Ama, but nothing suggest that from the manga infact the opposite is shown.

1. It pained Samehada to absorb fireball but is still was absorbed.

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2. It pained(a different pain then physical) to absorb killer bee's chakra yet Kisame still made him do it.

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3. Killer Bee hit samehada with a full power V2 Lariat, yet samehada still absorbed a huge chunk of chakra.

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My argument still stands. Kisame will force samahada to absorb the flames.

Were any of the other examples fire based attacks? Samehada showed a clear sign of having trouble with a fire attack. Its not about its durability with the other attacks, its the temperature of the attack which bugged Samehada. Amaterasu is multiple times hotter. Think of chakra as food for samehada, it can eat all sorts of variety but it showed clear signs of pain when it received a very hot meal, what happens when you try to drink boiling hot oil? Its gonna be a reflexive thing, its too hot to drink your body's pain sensors reflexively kick up, whether you want to or not you're spitting that stuff out BUT lets say someone makes you drink it through torture methods, you can potentially die from it depending on the amount taken in.

 

[solorflare99]

Were any of the other examples fire based attacks? Samehada showed a clear sign of having trouble with a fire attack. Its not about its durability with the other attacks, its the temperature of the attack which bugged Samehada. Amaterasu is multiple times hotter. Think of chakra as food for samehada, it can eat all sorts of variety but it showed clear signs of pain when it received a very hot meal, what happens when you try to drink boiling hot oil? Its gonna be a reflexive thing, its too hot to drink your body's pain sensors reflexively kick up, whether you want to or not you're spitting that stuff out BUT lets say someone makes you drink it through torture methods, you can potentially die from it depending on the amount taken in.

But it isn't actually eating so try again. Your example holds no substance. No such thing has ever been shown to happen(regurgitate chakra or die), so it is a baseless to assume it will happen.

No limit fallacy

But no such limit was ever presented in the first place.

You keep saying " Amaterasu is multiple times hotter"

1. Nothing suggest that will be an issue with Kisame in control.
2. You provide no evidence to support that. We have seen fodder get hit by that stuff and wasn't in intense pain. It didn't do anything to Gaara's sand. Sasuke took a hit from Ama and he wasn't severly burned. So much evidence shows that it is so hot that Samehada won't be able to absorb it.

We are talking about a weapon here, get real, he clearly suited for battle. Kisame will force samehada to absorb Ama.

 

[ToshiZO]

But it isn't actually eating so try again. Your example holds no substance. No such thing has ever been shown to happen(regurgitate chakra or die), so it is a baseless to assume it will happen.



But no such limit was ever presented in the first place.

You keep saying " Amaterasu is multiple times hotter"

1. Nothing suggest that will be an issue with Kisame in control.
2. You provide no evidence to support that. We have seen fodder get hit by that stuff and wasn't in intense pain. It didn't do anything to Gaara's sand. Sasuke took a hit from Ama and he wasn't severly burned. So much evidence shows that it is so hot that Samehada won't be able to absorb it.

We are talking about a weapon here, get real, he clearly suited for battle. Kisame will force samehada to absorb Ama.

what are you talking about the fact that it felt pain after absorbing the fire is the evidence. What more evidence you need?

we have plenty evidence amaterasu is much hotter. Amaterasu burned fire lol......

In each of the cases they didn't take the attack for long or let it spread.

 

[Oblivionx]

samehada can't possibly absorb amaterasu... that would be no limit fallacy... if it's prime MS then we have a game on, 50 50.... otherwise kisame wins....

 

[solorflare99]

what are you talking about the fact that it felt pain after absorbing the fire is the evidence. What more evidence you need?

we have plenty evidence amaterasu is much hotter. Amaterasu burned fire lol......

In each of the cases they didn't take the attack for long or let it spread.

It felt pain because fire is hot and Samehada came in contact with it. Simple as that.

You can say it is hotter, but not "is multiple times hotter". Not enough to prove Samehada cannot handle the pain.

Time is now a factor? You said that the jutsu was "is multiple times hotter". It would be expected for the jutsu to do massive damage considering it "is multiple times hotter" and all.

 

[ToshiZO]

It felt pain because fire is hot and Samehada came in contact with it. Simple as that.

You can say it is hotter, but not "is multiple times hotter". Not enough to prove Samehada cannot handle the pain.

Time is now a factor? You said that the jutsu was "is multiple times hotter". It would be expected for the jutsu to do massive damage considering it "is multiple times hotter" and all.

lol of course time is a factor, time is always a factor. What don't you get

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It consumed fire....do you understand how hot it would have to be? It is multiple times hotter.

 

[solorflare99]

lol of course time is a factor, time is always a factor. What don't you get

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It consumed fire....do you understand how hot it would have to be? It is multiple times hotter.

We have seen Fire ball jutsu do immediate damage, yet Ama is "multiple times hotter". and needs time Even fodder kid obito could use fire ball to incinerate projectiles, yet Ama "is multiple times hotter".

My argument still stands.

 

[ToshiZO]

We have seen Fire ball jutsu do immediate damage, yet Ama is "multiple times hotter". and needs time Even fodder kid obito could use fire ball to incinerate projectiles, yet Ama "is multiple times hotter".

My argument still stands.

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doesn't even affect it.

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. Keep reaching.

 

[solorflare99]

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doesn't even affect it.

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. Keep reaching.

Water not affecting has to do with it's temperature? Yet I'm reaching, How about one of it's key characteristics being the fact that the flames aren't suppose to go away for a whole week.

You are getting desperate now.

 

[ToshiZO]

Water not affecting has to do with it's temperature? Yet I'm reaching, How about one of it's key characteristics being the fact that the flames aren't suppose to go away for a whole week.

You are getting desperate now.

lol? You think that characteristic has no relation to its temperature? Try again.

 

[solorflare99]

lol? You think that characteristic has no relation to its temperature? Try again.

Am I suppose to take you serious anymore? You are trolling right?

 

[ToshiZO]

Am I suppose to take you serious anymore? You are trolling right?

lol the temperature of the fire is one of the reflections of the strength of the fire.....

Not to mention another problem for samehada.

 

[Unorthodox]

Shark man wins it.

Nope

Full intel and 50 meter starting distance.... Kisame low-med diffs. Go ahead Unorthodox, I'm giving you your chance.
Edit: ^With the restriction of WD, because that's just an outright stomp.

Waterdome changes nothing a fodder snake gets him out of it or his hawk evades it all day simple as that, I would perfer using Hebi sasuke over ms sasuke vs kisame, Ms Sasuke wins this 6/10 and how could you say this is a stomp when ms sasuke is basically itachi without those weapons made of hype

Kisame stomps MS Sasuke all day.

Not in a million years is this a stomp of any form

 

[Haizaki]

First person that came to my mind was Icelerate. Real ass debate but Kisame wins...unless you're not Icelerate, I'll go at it with anyone officially. Been a long time and you can switch with Itachi if you want but Sasuke is a tougher match for me.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Since the intel is full here, Kidame will immediately start the fight by pulling out the dome. This is knowing the danger of fighting Susanoo head on outside of water. Out of the bat Amaterasu is countered by Samehada's sensing and absorption. Sasuke won't outrun it at all, given how fast the dome was reaching the tall ass tree heights in seconds. V1 Bee was helpless as well. Then Sasuke will either try to swim around a bit, or summon one of his snakes. Anything short of Manda or Aoda is a joke here. Then by the time Sasuke summons Manda or Aoda, Kisame will create his 1000 feeding sharks and surrounds the snake. He himself will be in close vicinity to deal with any real problem. Kisame will then attacks with his sharks and takes bites out of the snake. If the snake proves too difficult, Kisame will perform his GSB. It will suck the snake dry and outright kill it. Then if Sasuke tries to summon another snake same thing will happen. Kisame wins by either drowning Sasuke or absorbing his chakra.