is sasuke stronger than madara (without the juubi)?

[speed21]

The title says it.

 

[Mohamed Nabil]

yes of course. (if you're talking about adult Sasuke)

 

[Sonzumaki]

obviously

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

is Earth round

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Yes he was at least equal to post shinju madara with one eye who is over his regular juubi jin self who os beyond his regular self
Simply put Sasuke is too fast
His chakra is more powerful cause of hagoromo
And Sasuke was bound to surpass him in ems
Sasuke showed six path proficiency and every instance in which Sasuke is harmed by ninjutsu after the rinnegan the opponent utilizes rikudou boosted technique
Base Madara was immune to ninjutsu but when Naruto and Sasuke used striking ninjutsu(like rasengan or chidori) it worked. This is either due to not being able to set up a barrier or rikudou chakra or high chakra is hard to absorb like narutos attack on Kaguya.
Both Sasuke and Madara have preta paths that aren't fool proof so no sauce hate pls
Sasuke being took down in the movie is due to susanoo bot being able to activate the preta barrier as evidenced in madara vs kage and momoshiki had rikudou chakra

Kinshiki showed feats that put him above one eye madara in juubi jin state.
Kenjutsu and speed rivaling sasuke and destructive capabilities rivaling base rsm naruto as he sliced yhe god tree
Note that sasuke still fought evenly with him without susanoo
Sasuke negs juubi less madara

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

Yes he was at least equal to post shinju madara with one eye who is over his regular juubi jin self who os beyond his regular self
Simply put Sasuke is too fast
His chakra is more powerful cause of hagoromo
And Sasuke was bound to surpass him in ems
Sasuke showed six path proficiency and every instance in which Sasuke is harmed by ninjutsu after the rinnegan the opponent utilizes rikudou boosted technique
Base Madara was immune to ninjutsu but when Naruto and Sasuke used striking ninjutsu(like rasengan or chidori) it worked. This is either due to not being able to set up a barrier or rikudou chakra or high chakra is hard to absorb like narutos attack on Kaguya.
Both Sasuke and Madara have preta paths that aren't fool proof so no sauce hate pls
Sasuke being took down in the movie is due to susanoo bot being able to activate the preta barrier as evidenced in madara vs kage and momoshiki had rikudou chakra

Kinshiki showed feats that put him above one eye madara in juubi jin state.
Kenjutsu and speed rivaling sasuke and destructive capabilities rivaling base rsm naruto as he sliced yhe god tree
Note that sasuke still fought evenly with him without susanoo
Sasuke negs juubi less madara

Kinshiki was on par with Sasuke in terms of Swordsmanship not in power... And also he was trapped for most time by two of the Gokage...

 

[Madara the Solo King]

Yes he is much stronger than Madara without the Juubi. Rinnegan Sasuke and Adult Sasuke are stronger than non JJ Madara.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Is Sasuke stronger without free rikudou chakra? No he is not

Base Madara>>Base Sasuke
EMS Madara>>EMS Sasuke
JJ Madara>>Rikudou Sasuke

So it's not fair to compare a rikudou powered up char against a non rikudou powered up char

 

[Coolest Guy]

Is Sasuke stronger without free rikudou chakra? No he is not

Base Madara>>Base Sasuke
EMS Madara>>EMS Sasuke
JJ Madara>>Rikudou Sasuke

So it's not fair to compare a rikudou powered up char against a non rikudou powered up char

Says "free rikudou chakra" even though Madara has it....what a salty fanboy.

OT: He's stronger than him.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Says "free rikudou chakra" even though Madara has it....what a salty fanboy.

OT: He's stronger than him.

Since when has Madara free rikudou chakra?
You sound like a lying bi*chy p*ssyboy

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Maybe by stealing the bijuus and becoming the juubi jinchuuriki you dumb motherfuc-ker.

Lmaooo that is not free, he defeated the Bijuu's and sealed them inside him.
You are really funny and 1 of the most retarded members i've seen, stupid ******ass dipshit

 

[Berner]

its a lot quiet around here now that mods finally got rid of some trolls

ot- yes

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Kinshiki was on par with Sasuke in terms of Swordsmanship not in power... And also he was trapped for most time by two of the Gokage...

He broke out and sliced the God tree quicker than the rasenshuriken that made madara have to power up.

Kept up with Sasukes speed and swordplay that is enough to slice madara in two
Also he broke out against the kage

 

[TrollKing]

Is Sasuke stronger without free rikudou chakra? No he is not

Base Madara>>Base Sasuke
EMS Madara>>EMS Sasuke
JJ Madara>>Rikudou Sasuke

So it's not fair to compare a rikudou powered up char against a non rikudou powered up char

They are all wrong

You should compare adult states on base and ems and rinnegan

Base sasuke > base madara

Ems sasuke >> ems madara

Rinnegan sasuke >>> rinnegan madara

Bijuups sasuke > JJ jubidara

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

They are all wrong

You should compare adult states on base and ems and rinnegan

Base sasuke > base madara

Ems sasuke >> ems madara

Rinnegan sasuke >>> rinnegan madara

Bijuups sasuke > JJ jubidara

Yup especially due to Sasukes earned rikudou chakra that made his chakra powerful enough for his shunshin to be on par with juubi jin flight,get to vote in minutes and he took a punch from a jj limbo that would knock a bijuu back. Also ems war arc sasuke was very close to ems madara without kurama especially due to enton and his swordsplay(which could come in handy in a susanoo brawl).

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Nah madara solos neg diff.

 

[KesOnFire]

its a lot quiet around here now that mods finally got rid of some trolls

ot- yes

They still missin some like my quote sig like sasuke u are a survivor

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

They are all wrong

You should compare adult states on base and ems and rinnegan

Base sasuke > base madara

Ems sasuke >> ems madara

Rinnegan sasuke >>> rinnegan madara

Bijuups sasuke > JJ jubidara

Base Madara had way more chakra, he would outlast base Sasuke easily.
Just look at Sasuke's katon and Madara katon.

EMS Madara>>>EMS Sasuke easily, EMS Sasuke only could achieve legged Susanoo due to Naruto's Kurama cloak, and you could never even see adult Sasuke only relying on EMS powers because he also always would have Rikudou chakra.

Rinnegan Madara(no JJ)>>> Rinnegan Sasuke(no Rikudou powers) because Limbo is much better than Amenotejikara, and Madara's chakra pool is much larger....

JJ Madara>>> Bijuu PS Sasuke, because Madara have both Naruto and Sasuke's powers, he has RSM and the Rinnegan. + Mokuton and Hashirama's SM + Sharinnegan..

So you are wrong trollking

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Yup especially due to Sasukes earned rikudou chakra that made his chakra powerful enough for his shunshin to be on par with juubi jin flight,get to vote in minutes and he took a punch from a jj limbo that would knock a bijuu back. Also ems war arc sasuke was very close to ems madara without kurama especially due to enton and his swordsplay(which could come in handy in a susanoo brawl).

Bolded is very wrong look at my post above^^

And enton is fodder against top tier characters

 

[TrollKing]

Base Madara had way more chakra, he would outlast base Sasuke easily.
Just look a Sasuke's katon and Madara katon.

EMS Madara>>>EMS Sasuke easily, EMS Sasuke only could achieve legged Susanoo due to Naruto's Kurama cloak, and you could never even see adult Sasuke only relying on EMS powers because he also always would have Rikudou chakra.

Rinnegan Madara(no JJ)>>> Rinnegan Sasuke(no Rikudou powers) because Limbo is much better than Amenotejikara, and Madara's chakra pool is much larger....

JJ Madara>>> Bijuu PS Sasuke, because Madara have both Naruto and Sasuke's powers, he have RSM and the Rinnegan. + Mokuton and Hashirama's SM + Sharinnegan..

So you are wrong trollking

1. Comparing to kid sasuke, you are right. Wrong for grown ups

2. Same as #1

3. Rinnegan itself is rikudo power. Limbo is not instant. Ameno is instant. Sword to the heart gg
(Jubi jin or not)

4. Indra arrow is life wiper. If madara didn't have life to begin with, then he wins. Not to mention bijuups blitz rikudo bsm and extreme neg it like its a dummy