[VS] VOTE 3: Sasuke vs Naruto

[King Of Pop]

did someone just try to argue sasuke who has rikudous chakra wont be handle the mazo properly and end up like nagato because he doesnt have experience? what experience did he have in handling bijjus chakra? yet he combined the separate chakras and merged them skillfully at level on par with hagoromo. the same who guy who was able to use his targets as the core(something no other ct user showed bar hagos yin yang) on the spot, yet he cant control the mazo properly without experience? this place lol

 

[Apêx1]

Sasuke has no knowledge of that. Nor would he summon the Mazo since BZ could have lived & attempt the revival of kaguya all over again.

Once it's summoned he'll obviously realise the insane chakra it emits. Also, he knew Obito survived due to the Gedo since he was there smh. Bz's revival is irrelevant since Sasuke is evil here.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Once it's summoned he'll obviously realise the insane chakra it emits. Also, he knew Obito survived due to the Gedo since he was there smh. Bz's revival is irrelevant since Sasuke is evil here.

Your OP doesn't state he's evil here, but it does state he can summon it. So that was my bad

 

[Apêx1]

Your OP doesn't state he's evil here, but it does state he can summon it. So that was my bad

If he is fighting Nardo then he's IC evil.

 

[Bronze]

I already explained and compensated for the bold in my previous two posts. There is nothing, stated within the realms of the Manga that only with the necessity of Knowledge and experience one may control the Mazou as again, I'll reiterate, Obito controlled it without any prior experience. About the underlined: Madara never trained or stated he would train Obito to control the Mazou, there is no Manga reference during the time period that Obito was within his layer that Madara issued or implied any statement as such and where the sense behind your argument begins to approach 0 is that Obito never wielded a Rin'negan while within Madara's layer, so it would have been impossible for him to train Obito do do such a thing, but again it is no where stated or implied that you need to be trained or have any particular knowledgeable information to control the Mazou. Obito, without any prior experience, fully manipulated the Mazou during the war. Sasuke does not need training to fully control the Mazou just as Obito and Madara did not.​

It doesn't need to be stated that he trained Obito to control the Mazou. For a summoning to be friendly with his/her summoner, he/she will need to have certain control over them. The Mazou is different, since it can be controlled either by Rinnegan or Senju DNA and achieving that control takes training and experience. It's common sense. Beside, Obito had something Nagato and Sasuke did not, which gave him control over the Mazou:

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If knowledge, training and experience is not required to control the Mazou, explain to me why Nagato underwent this transformation after he used the Mazou? [

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This is Gaiden Naruto.

Being Gaiden or not won't change his destructive capabilities.

 

[Bronze]

As much as I hate getting involved in other people's debates, Preta Path can most definitely absorb a rasenshuriken, even more so than other techniques. Preta Path (barrier) works by spiralling the chakra and absorbing it. Therefore something already spiralling isn't gonna do anything but add to Sasuke reserves. This, Naraka, and Deva are why I can't see Naruto winning, even though I agree that they would be fundamentally equal. All of Naruto attack are energy based on rasengan, and they can be absorbed.

You pair that with the fact that Sasuke is able to rip Naruto's soul out if he touches him, and it places Naruto on ranged mode, with nothing that can him Sasuke, unless he enhances it with Sage Mode, which, unless fired in quick succession, can be countered with Deva Path. And while I agree Naruto has slightly more damage output, when it comes to the Bijuu Avatar, Animal Path Kuchiyose are a factor in being Sacrificed, and giving Sasuke more view, also making them harder to hit. Furthermore, Asura Path clones give him the CQC ability to overpower Naruto, and give him the upper hand in short range. Usage of Coreless CT has not shown a counter, but I suppose you can outrun it, but you would have to constantly move.

All in All, if Sasuke can restrain Naruto, it's a win for him, via Naraka, Preta, or the king of hell.
If Sasuke can fool Naruto into shooting enough Non Sage Chakra at him, he wins.

If Sasuke can absorb TBB he wins 7/10
If Naruto keeps the battle Ranged, and saves his chakra for a melee assault, (he can't use ninjutsu enhancement though) he can pull a win 5/10 times. He has to physically outmatch and avoid Sasuke, within a five second interval.

There's a reason Kishi stopped displaying the six paths.

Sasuke absorbing enormous Natural Energy would unbalance his reserve and control over his Chakra, so he gets turned to a stone.

 

[Waltz]

It doesn't need to be stated that he trained Obito to control the Mazou. For a summoning to be friendly with his/her summoner, he/she will need to have certain control over them. The Mazou is different, since it can be controlled either by Rinnegan or Senju DNA and achieving that control takes training and experience. It's common sense. Beside, Obito had something Nagato and Sasuke did not, which gave him control over the Mazou:

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If knowledge, training and experience is not required to control the Mazou, explain to me why Nagato underwent this transformation after he used the Mazou? [

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] And prove that Sasuke would not go through the transformation.





Being Gaiden or not won't change his destructive capabilities.

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@Bold: Consequence of the Rin'negan's implantation hosted within an inadequate body, as I explained in my previous 2-3 posts which you only solidified referring to the Senju DNA.

@Underlined:Um... So you're in unawares that, overall, there is a vast difference between Rikudo Naruto and Gaiden Naruto in terms of power; the latter being strikingly inferior?
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[Chaosmark101]

If he is fighting Nardo then he's IC evil.

Wait. Aren't the bijuu > the mazo? I doubt putting the Gedo Mazou's chakra in his susanoo will be anywhere near as strong as chakra from the nine bijuu.

 

[CM Punk]

Sasuke rushes Naruto, sword in hand. Naruto barely manages to block the blow, bringing up his chakra cloak. He counters with a Rasengan, which Sasuke dodges. The two charge at each other...

Right into a double Attitude Adjustment. 'The Time is Now' plays.

Cena wins.

 

[Apêx1]

Wait. Aren't the bijuu > the mazo? I doubt putting the Gedo Mazou's chakra in his susanoo will be anywhere near as strong as chakra from the nine bijuu.

What does Bijuu chakra have anything to do with anything here? Putting portions of the 9 Bijuu's in his Susano doesn't mean shit. He's not putting the chakra in himself, but his Susano. Putting the Juubi's Yang in him makes him a pseudo Rikudo, which is superior to having portions of the 9 Bijuu's inside his Susano in every single way.

 

[Chaosmark101]

What does Bijuu chakra have anything to do with anything here? Putting portions of the 9 Bijuu's in his Susano doesn't mean shit. He's not putting the chakra in himself, but his Susano.Putting the Juubi's Yang in him makes him a pseudo Rikudo, which is superior to having portions of the 9 Bijuu's inside his Susano in every single way.

@Underline Bijuu chakra being a > Source of power than the shell of the juubi. And @Bold that is literally what I said
can you not read man? Smh "I doubt putting the Gedo Mazou's chakra in his susanoo..."

The rest of your post is fanfic. Melding the Mazo's chakra
with his susanoo =/= make him a pseudo rikudo It only means his Susanoo changes form once again. Just like every other time he's acquired new chakra. Its likely that PS buffed by the mazo would be no stronger than BPS

 

[Apêx1]

@Underline Bijuu chakra being a > Source of power than the shell of the juubi. And @Bold that is literally what I said
can you not read man? Smh "I doubt putting the Gedo Mazou's chakra in his susanoo..."

Again, Kyuubi being stronger then the Gedo is COMPLETELY irrelevant. Stop mentioning this as it is retarded.

The rest of your post is fanfic. Melding the Mazo's chakra
with his susanoo =/= make him a pseudo rikudo It only means his Susanoo changes form once again. Just like every other time he's acquired new chakra. Its likely that PS buffed by the mazo would be no stronger than BPS

Quote me saying he's putting the Gedo's chakra into the Susano. I am clearly saying he'll do it with Preta Path, and thus he himself gets the chakra. The PS being stronger isn't very relevant, he's pseudo Rikudo, he wins by default. Naruto=Yang Rikudo and Kyuubi. Sasuke=Yin Rikudo and Yang Juubi. There's a clear winner here regardless of how you look at it.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Again, Kyuubi being stronger then the Gedo is COMPLETELY irrelevant. Stop mentioning this as it is retarded.



Quote me saying he's putting the Gedo's chakra into the Susano. I am clearly saying he'll do it with Preta Path, and thus he himself gets the chakra.

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He's not putting the chakra in himself, but his Susano.

Preta Path wasn't mentioned at all man.

The PS being stronger isn't very relevant, he's pseudo Rikudo, he wins by default. Naruto=Yang Rikudo and Kyuubi. Sasuke=Yin Rikudo and Yang Juubi. There's a clear winner here regardless of how you look at it.

Your failing to realize that the Gedo Mazo =/= the juubi
It's a shell of its former self, & is far weaker without the bijuu.

Sasuke can't have "yang juubi" when he's not even a JJ. Come on man

 

[Apêx1]

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Preta Path wasn't mentioned at all man.

Why use out of context sentences to grasp on straws? I said "Putting portions of the 9 Bijuu's in his Susano doesn't mean shit. He's not putting the chakra in himself, but his Susano"

That clearly refers to the portions of Biju chakra not being put in himself, but the Susano.

In my initial post I clearly stated "Sasuke using preta to take its chakra should in fact make him a pseudo Rikudo."

So stop trying to argue pointlessly as you were CLEARLY wrong here.

Your failing to realize that the Gedo Mazo =/= the juubi
It's a shell of its former self, & is far weaker without the bijuu.

Sasuke can't have "yang juubi" when he's not even a JJ. Come on man

Yet the Gedo retains the Juubi's life force as I showed with manga scans. Hence the Gedo's life force>Hagromo's without Juubi. The Bijuu merely make the Juubi complete. He's missing his entire Yin portion, his Senjutsu chakra, his eye, etc. The Gedo is purely the life force.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Why use out of context sentences to grasp on straws? I said "Putting portions of the 9 Bijuu's in his Susano doesn't mean shit. He's not putting the chakra in himself, but his Susano"

That clearly refers to the portions of Biju chakra not being put in himself, but the Susano.

In my initial post I clearly stated "Sasuke using preta to take its chakra should in fact make him a pseudo Rikudo."

So stop trying to argue pointlessly as you were CLEARLY wrong here.

Forgot what you said you on the last page so that was my bad.

Yet the Gedo retains the Juubi's life force as I showed with manga scans. Hence the Gedo's life force>Hagromo's without Juubi. The Bijuu merely make the Juubi complete. He's missing his entire Yin portion, his Senjutsu chakra, his eye, etc. The Gedo is purely the life force.

Life force = Longevity/vitality that doesn't mean he'll become unkillable.

Old Madara tethered to the Mazo could have been killed by Obito. It's not like absorbing it magically makes him invincible.

 

[Bronze]

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This is supposed to prove he has Senju DNA? All it says is he was healed by it.

@Bold: Consequence of the Rin'negan's implantation hosted within an inadequate body, as I explained in my previous 2-3 posts which you only solidified referring to the Senju DNA.

Nagato's body is inadequate ? Based on what reasoning you asserted that? He's a full Uzumaki with direct linage to the Senju, so his body is sufficient, in fact more sufficient than Obito who can only handle one Rinnegan.

@Underlined:Um... So you're in unawares that, overall, there is a vast difference between Rikudo Naruto and Gaiden Naruto in terms of power; the latter being strikingly inferior?

Gaiden Naruto is only inferior in experience, as he hadn't been fighting for 15+, but his power remains the same since he didn't lose any of it; still has Rikudou Senjutsu and Kurama.

 

[Apêx1]

Forgot what you said you on the last page so that was my bad.


Life force = Longevity/vitality that doesn't mean he'll become unkillable.

Old Madara tethered to the Mazo could have been killed by Obito. It's not like absorbing it magically makes him invincible.

Life force=Yang.

Old Madara was too old to do shit anyways, he can't move, he just has a body which won't die. He didn't have the Yin of the Juubi/Rikudo, nor did he have large amounts of the Mazo's Yang. He's merely connected to it and life force flows to him. It's not his though, he's getting a small portion of it while the Mazo retains the rest. Juubi Yang=Rikudo Yang. Juubi Yin=Rikudo Yin. Sasuke thus has Rikudo Yin Rikudo Yang. Meaning he is superior to Naruto with or without the feats, because it's implicative that he would be with both the Yin and Yang of the Rikudo (Naruto having ONLY the Yang).

 

[Chaosmark101]

Life force=Yang.

Old Madara was too old to do shit anyways, he can't move, he just has a body which won't die. He didn't have the Yin of the Juubi/Rikudo, nor did he have large amounts of the Mazo's Yang. He's merely connected to it and life force flows to him. It's not his though, he's getting a small portion of it while the Mazo retains the rest. Juubi Yang=Rikudo Yang. Juubi Yin=Rikudo Yin. Sasuke thus has Rikudo Yin Rikudo Yang. Meaning he is superior to Naruto with or without the feats, because it's implicative that he would be with both the Yin and Yang of the Rikudo (Naruto having ONLY the Yang).

Let's agree to disagree then since, while it is true that
Rikudo's yin = his doujutsu (Rinnegan) His yang has to be RSM/Ten tail coffin seal. I don't think the Gedo statue alone granting life force & maybe a slight power boost will grant much more stopping power as I've been saying before