[VS] VOTE 3: Sasuke vs Naruto

[Bronze]

@DHOH: Alright, the OP Clarifies that he has Movie feats.

OT: Sasuke takes the Cake 10/10 times since he knows Naruto's entire arsenal. He creates 6 Kage-Bunshin, one of which will Summon the Gedo Mazou and make it perform the Soul Dragon Jutsu while the original Sasuke and the other remaining 5 Bunshin engage Naruto. Biju-Dama, Chakra arms and Rasengan variants can all be countered, absorbed or deflected then there are the soul Dragon's to which Naruto has no counter and will not be able to destroy even via Kagebunshin due to the fact that Sasuke will just create a bunshin to counter it and would be able to monitor all around the Mazou via the RIn'negan's linked vision; a task that can be left to Animal path's Kuchiyose.​

1). Sasuke has Kage Bunshin?

2). He can summon, control Gedo Mazo without experience and not end up like Nagato?

3). Naruto can't wipe out the Mazou as soon as summoned?

 

[DHOH]

@DHOH: Alright, the OP Clarifies that he has Movie feats.

OT: Sasuke takes the Cake 10/10 times since he knows Naruto's entire arsenal. He creates 6 Kage-Bunshin, one of which will Summon the Gedo Mazou and make it perform the Soul Dragon Jutsu while the original Sasuke and the other remaining 5 Bunshin engage Naruto. Biju-Dama, Chakra arms and Rasengan variants can all be countered, absorbed or deflected then there are the soul Dragon's to which Naruto has no counter and will not be able to destroy even via Kagebunshin due to the fact that Sasuke will just create a bunshin to counter it and would be able to monitor all around the Mazou via the RIn'negan's linked vision; a task that can be left to Animal path's Kuchiyose.​

I disagree.. But don't have the energy to say why..Naruto and Sasuke are equal

 

[DHOH]

1). Sasuke has Kage Bunshin?

2). He can summon, control Gedo Mazo without experience and not end up like Nagato?

3). Naruto can't wipe out the Mazou as soon as summoned?

Yes
Maybe
Maybe

 

[Kagustuchi]

1). Sasuke has Kage Bunshin?

I've seen him use them against Boruto in the trailers. I doubt they would be much of a factor though.

 

[Bronze]

I've seen him use them against Boruto in the trailers. I doubt they would be much of a factor though.

If it's a trailer then it's a filler, unless Kishimoto announced it to be a canon. And where do you watch the Boruto movie?

 

[DHOH]

I've seen him use them against Boruto in the trailers. I doubt they would be much of a factor though.

Right because Sasuke's bunshins pops if the winds blows to hard.

 

[Waltz]

1). Sasuke has Kage Bunshin?

2). He can summon, control Gedo Mazo without experience and not end up like Nagato?

3). Naruto can't wipe out the Mazou as soon as summoned?

1) Movie feat.

2) What Nagato suffered with the Rin'negan is parallel to what Kakashi suffered with the Sharingan. Implanting Doujutsu carriers consequence but can be diminished through adapting one's body to the said Doujutsu. Recall that Deva removed Garra's soul using the same Dragons however it did not task Nagato as it did when he initially summoned the Mazou. Also, I did say the Bunshin will summon the Mazou and allow it to perform the Jutsu.

3) Not if he's engaged battling the Original Sasuke and the 5 other Bunshin.​

 

[Kagustuchi]

If it's a trailer then it's a filler, unless Kishimoto announced it to be a canon. And where do you watch the Boruto movie?

Kishi was the one who wrote the script for the movie I believe. I dunno on the second one, I havn't even seen The Last. Apparently there's a camrip floating around.

 

[DHOH]

If it's a trailer then it's a filler, unless Kishimoto announced it to be a canon. And where do you watch the Boruto movie?

Kishi did announce it to be cannon. And the movie isn't available yet but there about 8 clips floating around that will show the best parts of the movie

 

[Bronze]

1) Movie feat.

2) What Nagato suffered with the Rin'negan is parallel to what Kakashi suffered with the Sharingan. Implanting Doujutsu carriers consequence but can be diminished through adapting one's body to the said Doujutsu. Recall that Deva removed Garra's soul using the same Dragons however it did not task Nagato as it did when he initially summoned the Mazou. Also, I did say the Bunshin will summon the Mazou and allow it to perform the Jutsu.

3) Not if he's engaged battling the Original Sasuke and the 5 other Bunshin.​

1). Like Kagustuchi said: it won't be much of a factor.

2). Rikudou No bodies are much different than Kage Bunshin. Deva was basically Nagato in a dead body, with his eye, Chakra and capacity through rod transmission. Kage Bunshin would be a split of Chakra and it carries limitations compared to the original. If Sasuke was to summon the Mazou, he will end up like Nagato was against Hanzo, due to his lack of knowledge and experience.

3). Wiping the Mazou simply takes a Rasenshuriken to be throwing.

 

[Bronze]

Kishi did announce it to be cannon. And the movie isn't available yet but there about 8 clips floating around that will show the best parts of the movie

Kishi was the one who wrote the script for the movie I believe. I dunno on the second one, I havn't even seen The Last. Apparently there's a camrip floating around.

Okay.

 

[Waltz]

1). Like Kagustuchi said: it won't be much of a factor.

2). Rikudou No bodies are much different than Kage Bunshin. Deva was basically Nagato in a dead body, with his eye, Chakra and capacity through rod transmission. Kage Bunshin would be a split of Chakra and it carries limitations compared to the original. If Sasuke was to summon the Mazou, he will end up like Nagato was against Hanzo, due to his lack of knowledge and experience.

3). Wiping the Mazou simply takes a Rasenshuriken to be throwing.

1) What possibly gave you the impression that I care for his statement...?

2)The point was that Nagato had grown able to utilize the Jutsu without the Mazou creating a rampage. You're extending the Mazou as a limitation on what basis? Bronze, When was experience and knowledge ever stated or was suggested a key factor in controlling the Mazou when Obito who had no experience was able to perfectly control it?

3) Your attention span is limited. All of Sasuke's clones as well as the Original Sasuke will be engaging Naruto. All of which have the potential to absorb a Rasen-Shuriken.​

 

[Bronze]

1) What possibly gave you the impression that I care for his statement...?​

Kagustuchi, would you like to make Waltz care for your statement?

2)The point was that Nagato had grown able to utilize the Jutsu without the Mazou creating a rampage. You're extending the Mazou as a limitation on what basis? Bronze, When was experience and knowledge ever stated or was suggested a key factor in controlling the Mazou when Obito who had no experience was able to perfectly control it?

What? Nagato utilized the Jutsu with failures: his body lost its muscles and became a skeleton, and he amassed an old age appearance despite being at his twenties. Surely Sasuke, with lower knowledge and experience at utilizing Rinnegan, will meet the same fate. I wasn't referring to the Mazou with limitations, but was referring to the Kage Bunshin. Waltz, a comparison between Obito to Nagato and Sasuke at the Mazou's case is fallacious; number one is that Obito was trained by the original wielder of the Rinnegan: Madara Uchiha, to control the Mazou. Number two is that no specific timeline was given at when Obito gained the capacity to control the Mazou, but that wouldn't matter with number one. There were none to train Nagato and Sasuke at utilizing the Mazou.

3) Your attention span is limited. All of Sasuke's clones as well as the Original Sasuke will be engaging Naruto. All of which have the potential to absorb a Rasen-Shuriken.

The Rasenshuriken from Rikudou Naruto can wipe out mountains and meteors. Preta Path can't absorb such an attack.

 

[Math42]

Naruto still wins this, mid diff at most

at the end of the day it all comes down to PS and Kurama avatar since the 6 path techniques arent really cutting it here,
ameno is reacted to, limbo is sensed and a physical clone of sasuke gets shat on by narutos clone

Naruto with only half kurama is physically on par with SAsukes PS, only differnce is that the kurama avatars firepower surpasses that of sasukes PS which cant do shit to the avatar,
PS slash was swatted aside like nothing by a much weaker construct, and PS chidori at best is on par with a standard half kuramas TBB, which half kurama can tank with minimum damages let alone full kurama, let alone naruto with ashura avatar

now add the other half of kurama and its capacities get doubled, as well as the ashura avatar which results in sasuke getting shat on

Oh my.

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[TheUnbiasedOne]

Kagustuchi, would you like to make Waltz care for your statement?



What? Nagato utilized the Jutsu with failures: his body lost its muscles and became a skeleton, and he amassed an old age appearance despite being at his twenties. Surely Sasuke, with lower knowledge and experience at utilizing Rinnegan, will meet the same fate. I wasn't referring to the Mazou with limitations, but was referring to the Kage Bunshin. Waltz, a comparison between Obito to Nagato and Sasuke at the Mazou's case is fallacious; number one is that Obito was trained by the original wielder of the Rinnegan: Madara Uchiha, to control the Mazou. Number two is that no specific timeline was given at when Obito gained the capacity to control the Mazou, but that wouldn't matter with number one. There were none to train Nagato and Sasuke at utilizing the Mazou.



The Rasenshuriken from Rikudou Naruto can wipe out mountains and meteors. Preta Path can't absorb such an attack.

As much as I hate getting involved in other people's debates, Preta Path can most definitely absorb a rasenshuriken, even more so than other techniques. Preta Path (barrier) works by spiralling the chakra and absorbing it. Therefore something already spiralling isn't gonna do anything but add to Sasuke reserves. This, Naraka, and Deva are why I can't see Naruto winning, even though I agree that they would be fundamentally equal. All of Naruto attack are energy based on rasengan, and they can be absorbed.

You pair that with the fact that Sasuke is able to rip Naruto's soul out if he touches him, and it places Naruto on ranged mode, with nothing that can him Sasuke, unless he enhances it with Sage Mode, which, unless fired in quick succession, can be countered with Deva Path. And while I agree Naruto has slightly more damage output, when it comes to the Bijuu Avatar, Animal Path Kuchiyose are a factor in being Sacrificed, and giving Sasuke more view, also making them harder to hit. Furthermore, Asura Path clones give him the CQC ability to overpower Naruto, and give him the upper hand in short range. Usage of Coreless CT has not shown a counter, but I suppose you can outrun it, but you would have to constantly move.

All in All, if Sasuke can restrain Naruto, it's a win for him, via Naraka, Preta, or the king of hell.
If Sasuke can fool Naruto into shooting enough Non Sage Chakra at him, he wins.

If Sasuke can absorb TBB he wins 7/10
If Naruto keeps the battle Ranged, and saves his chakra for a melee assault, (he can't use ninjutsu enhancement though) he can pull a win 5/10 times. He has to physically outmatch and avoid Sasuke, within a five second interval.

There's a reason Kishi stopped displaying the six paths.

 

[Waltz]

What? Nagato utilized the Jutsu with failures: his body lost its muscles and became a skeleton, and he amassed an old age appearance despite being at his twenties. Surely Sasuke, with lower knowledge and experience at utilizing Rinnegan, will meet the same fate. I wasn't referring to the Mazou with limitations, but was referring to the Kage Bunshin. Waltz, a comparison between Obito to Nagato and Sasuke at the Mazou's case is fallacious; number one is that Obito was trained by the original wielder of the Rinnegan: Madara Uchiha, to control the Mazou. Number two is that no specific timeline was given at when Obito gained the capacity to control the Mazou, but that wouldn't matter with number one. There were none to train Nagato and Sasuke at utilizing the Mazou.

I already explained and compensated for the bold in my previous two posts. There is nothing, stated within the realms of the Manga that only with the necessity of Knowledge and experience one may control the Mazou as again, I'll reiterate, Obito controlled it without any prior experience. About the underlined: Madara never trained or stated he would train Obito to control the Mazou, there is no Manga reference during the time period that Obito was within his layer that Madara issued or implied any statement as such and where the sense behind your argument begins to approach 0 is that Obito never wielded a Rin'negan while within Madara's layer, so it would have been impossible for him to train Obito do do such a thing, but again it is no where stated or implied that you need to be trained or have any particular knowledgeable information to control the Mazou. Obito, without any prior experience, fully manipulated the Mazou during the war. Sasuke does not need training to fully control the Mazou just as Obito and Madara did not.

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The Rasenshuriken from Rikudou Naruto can wipe out mountains and meteors. Preta Path can't absorb such an attack.

This is Gaiden Naruto. ​

 

[Apêx1]

Also, I changed my mind about the chakra of the Gedo. Its chakra is greater then the chakra a Uzumaki or Senju would possess, by a long run. Uzumaki's can survive the initial phase of the Kyuubi extraction due to their life force, but they still die. Obito could survive the JUUBI'S extraction and still not die due to the Gedo's life force. That's a massive leap in life force. Sasuke using preta to take its chakra should in fact make him a pseudo Rikudo.

Proof: Kurama said

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Thus, if the Rikudo only survived due to the Gedo's life force, then the Gedo's life force IS the Juubi's life force, since otherwise his own life force, and not the Gedo's would've been the reason for his survival.

Sasuke absorbs Gedo chakra and becomes Juubi Yang Rikudo Yin and ends up shitting all over Nardo.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Also, I changed my mind about the chakra of the Gedo. Its chakra is greater then the chakra a Uzumaki or Senju would possess, by a long run. Uzumaki's can survive the initial phase of the Kyuubi extraction due to their life force, but they still die. Obito could survive the JUUBI'S extraction and still not die due to the Gedo's life force. That's a massive leap in life force. Sasuke using preta to take its chakra should in fact make him a pseudo Rikudo.

Proof: Kurama said

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Thus, if the Rikudo only survived due to the Gedo's life force, then the Gedo's life force IS the Juubi's life force, since otherwise his own life force, and not the Gedo's would've been the reason for his survival.

Sasuke absorbs Gedo chakra and becomes Juubi Yang Rikudo Yin and ends up shitting all over Nardo.

Sasuke has no knowledge of that. Nor would he summon the Mazo since BZ could have lived & attempt the revival of kaguya all over again.

 

[Unorthodox]

Sasuke has no knowledge of that. Nor would he summon the Mazo since BZ could have lived & attempt the revival of kaguya all over again.

this is a vs thread not the storyline phuck outa here

 

[Chaosmark101]

this is a vs thread not the storyline phuck outa here

Doesn't change the fact he has no idea the mazo grants vitality. Gtfo