Juubi size Katon is the size of the juubi meaning it bypass the AOE of his ftg Giant Kunai flying through the Katon also adds for slicing power meaning Minato gets roasted like then diced that simple nb4 space time barrier moot because the Katon would keep going until Obito stops its also to big for the space time barrier aswell nb4 he warped juubi's tbb not with space time barrier so irrelevant.
Kage bushin does nothing for Minato cannot bypass juubi size katon space time barrier its take a single hit to destroy them (Mokuton spikes) Minato is also not immune to genjutsu nb4 he did not catch him before he could not perform another genjutsu while controlling Kurama
Obito has monster reserves while Minato has a little above average he gets outlasted simple.
He warped juubi bomb with space time barrier. Get that fodder katon bs outta here :lol
Clones that can all use ftg, can set markings, can get in obitos blind spots, can swtich places with the original, can be used as sacrifices to plant markings. Lol, pls clones are makes obitos entire koveset irrpevsnt.
Above average XD. One cannot even remotely use senjutsu unless you have "enormous" chakra reserves. Argue with the manga, not me.
Obito did not use Juubi size Katon or Mokuton back then nor did he have any giant kunai this fight does not go down the same also Obito can outlast Minato anyways
He did basically state that he could use human path when he was talking to Kabuto though. Not that it's a big deal, doesn't change much and I only go off of feats and direct statements when it comes to paths. Unless it's RT Madara or Sasuke, then I think they have them.
Main reason I replied to you though, do you think the Rinnegan itself gave Obito a buff? I believe it did based on his statement to Sakura. That incredible chakra it had would have melded with his own, buffing him. He did say it was the reason he was capable of doing many of the things he did throughout the war.
Well yeah, aside from Human Path. Don't know about the rest.
At first I thought, nah. But RT Madara's performance and Rinnegan's hype changed my mind. Rinnegan is supposed to be a large boost when you go from either no eyes or one eye to having a second eye. And the chakra was stated to be extremely powerful as you said, can't see Obito not getting a boost from it when Sasuke got a boost from gaining Itachi's eyes.
I honestly think that if RT Madara got both Rinnegan back, (thus the extreme chakra power from both eyes returns to him too) his chakra would become much stronger than it was when he was revived and when he was alive for the first time.. Probably due to Rinnegan's powerful chakra being combined with the Hagoromo chakra Madara got.
He warped juubi bomb with space time barrier. Get that fodder katon bs outta here :lol
Clones that can all use ftg, can set markings, can get in obitos blind spots, can swtich places with the original, can be used as sacrifices to plant markings. Lol, pls clones are makes obitos entire koveset irrpevsnt.
Above average XD. One cannot even remotely use senjutsu unless you have "enormous" chakra reserves. Argue with the manga, not me
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Just saying, the reason he can't control Senjutsu very well is because his chakra pools arnt particularly large. Not that it's anything small either.
Warping the Juubidama proves he has a really good knead/release of chakra but his amount couldn't be anything to extreme. Considering his alive form was getting tired when the only truly chakra taxing things he did was warp Kurama's BD then warp Kurama and his BD.
If that was Alive Minato he would have been done due to chakra exhaustion. Wrong S/T barrier took time to warp a standard bijuu dama from Kurama
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gone in a instant even Kurama's bijuu dama got swallowed up getting smaller as the barrier warped it Juubi dama vanish stated by Fodder 448 Meaning Minato jumped it try again.
Clones that can all use ftg, can set markings, can get in obitos blind spots, can swtich places with the original, can be used as sacrifices to plant markings. Lol, pls clones are makes obitos entire koveset irrpevsnt.
When was this stated? Furthermore Minato already said he never used it in combat so irrelevant and him being low on chakra after those warps against Obito proves otherwise Obito chakra > Minato simple as that
Because I didn't want to have to actually explain why Obito's techniques are useless.
1. Minato not being able to dodge Katon is BS. We've already seen the distance he can cover with Shunshin. (when he saved Kushina) Shunshin up or to the sides=Dodged. Or he can toss a Kunai in the air and teleport. Or he can use S/T Barrier.
2. Wrong. Minato let himself slip through Obito to test his ability. Only reason why chains caught him. Where were the chains when Minato figured out how his technique worked? Oh wait....:lol Obito was too busy getting whooped. Mokuton on Obito's level is short ranged and it comes from his body, thus it never hits Minato.
3. No, they aren't. What are giant Kunai going to do? Hit a guy who would effortlessly dodge them via teleportation? :lol
Just saying, the reason he can't control Senjutsu very well is because his chakra pools arnt particularly large. Not that it's anything small either.
Warping the Juubidama proves he has a really good knead/release of chakra but his amount couldn't be anything to extreme. Considering his alive form was getting tired when the only truly chakra taxing things he did was warp Kurama's BD then warp Kurama and his BD.
No, thats just some nonsense someone made up, nothing to do with his chakra pool. Why does no one criticise jirayas chakra pool when he says he cant even do senjutsu on his own? He controls senjutsu perfectly, hence the eye pigmentation. What you meant to say is why it doesnt last very long. Thats not down to chakra, thats just down to practice. Same way Narutos initial time limit was 5 mins, naruto even said during the kage summit arc that he will practice making it longer. If minato didnt have the chakra, there is no way he could even learn it, the fact that he balances it perfectly means that he has enough chakra (enormous chakra as fukasku stated, and thats manga fact).
Its like some poeple only read one part of the manga and come to conclusions, minato used:
- supressing nine tails power throughout labour
- Shunshin no jutsu x2 (once to save naruto and once to save kushina)
- one rasengan
- one curse seal (on obitos back)
- one contract seal
- FTG x11 (it costs a lot of chakra, need to build up the same amount proportionate to the size of the object being teleported. Meaning everytime minato teleported himself, he had to build up chakra proportionate to the size of a human body. When he carries kushina with him, which he did twice, it means building up chakra equiv to the size of 2 human bodies.
- one Space Time barrier (to warp a massive tbb)
- Summoned the huge Gamabunta (which naruto couldnt do with his base chakra in part 1. Nor could a drugged jiraya)
- one of those 11 ftg was then used on kurama + his tbb. Meaning building up chakra equiv to the size of 100% full sized kurama.
Then still has chakra for:
- summon gerotora
- summon alter
- perform rds
- perform x2 Four Symbols seal
- then finally distribute his chakra into naruto
Thats about 25 ninjutsu used on the night. 3 of which being bunta summoning, warping a tailed beast bomb and teleporting Kurama and another tailed beast bomb. How can anyone say he got tired just from teleporting kurama yet ignore the rest, is that how we read te manga now U_U. Warping Obitos fire atracks is below childs play
If that was Alive Minato he would have been done due to chakra exhaustion. Wrong S/T barrier took time to warp a standard bijuu dama from Kurama
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gone in a instant even Kurama's bijuu dama got swallowed up getting smaller as the barrier warped it Juubi dama vanish stated by Fodder 448 Meaning Minato jumped it try again.
Yeah minato would have been done if he used regular ftg, not space time barrier. No you are wrong, the databook even states the barrier suctioned up the bomb instantaneously. It didnt take time, its just the way kishi drew it to show that it passed through, but how else do you expect kishi to illustrate this. How can you judge the speed something was teleported by looking at still images :lol. If kishi animated it, kuramas bomb would have instantly passed straight through.
Also if juubi dama was teleported instantly, it would have reached the ocean instantly. Which isnt the case, minato had time to talk, before then choosing where to put it and redirecting the blast to the ocean, which is only possible with the barrier (even kishi showed us the ocean in one panel and the bomb still wasnt ere until the next couple panels, so it wasnt instant)
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not instant, bomb appears at the ocean a chapter after minato already warped it, and kishi shows in the panesl it only appears after sakura speaks) . Minato does not have the chakra (edo tensei or not) to teleport a standard juubi bomb with regular ftg. Also an edo doesnt have more chakra that they did alive, in fact he had less power. If minato didnt have the chakra he would have been panting.
Tell me why was minato exhausted after using ftg to teleport the ninja allaince outisde of obitos barrier.. And that was minato in kyuubi chakra mode (using nine tails chakra). Yet was perfectly fine in base teleporting a juubi bomb :lol. Common sense shows that ftg uses more chakra than the barrier. Ftg requires chakra proptionate to size of object(s). While chakra used for barrier depends on the size of the barrier. Lastly tell me how minTo touched the juubi bomb when he himself said he cannot touch/mark them. Obviously the barrier is used.
Clones are not setting out ftg futher then his Katon can cover so irrelevant and once they get behind Obito he warps even further behind them.
Already saw minatos shunshin reach the battlefield minutes before the other hokage, even stopping at the ocean to place a kunai. Then places 4 kunai around the juubi of a massive square radius, each largely distanced apart (does this without anyone noticing). Then warps the bomb away, redirects it to the ocean, bomb goes off, minato chats with naruto a bit. All before the other hokage arrive :lol
***** pls, minatos speed takes a yellow flashing dumb on obitos jutsu.
When was this stated? Furthermore Minato already said he never used it in combat so irrelevant and him being low on chakra after those warps against Obito proves otherwise Obito chakra > Minato simple as that
Nope try again. Minato said he hasnt used it much in battle before. Meaning hes used it before, just not many times. Read the viz and raw translations. How can that even make sense to you, he just used it against juidara yet you are saying he has never used it in combat before :lol
Minato being low on chakra after using FTG more than a dozen times, summoning bunta, warping a tbb, teleporting another tbb, teleporting kurama, having been suppressing the nine tails power for hours, using the rasengan, shunshun and two different seals on obito. Pls gtfo and actually read the manga. Obito didnt use a quarter of the ninjutsu minato used, and he still lost.
Minato not being able to dodge Katon is BS. We've already seen the distance he can cover with Shunshin. (when he saved Kushina) Shunshin up or to the sides=Dodged. Or he can toss a Kunai in the air and teleport. Or he can use S/T Barrier.
That distance he covered with Kushina does not equal juubi in length so irrelevant. Him Shunshin up is useless when the katon is well above the ground even higher than that off a bijuu level from tail to head height wise so he not jumping above that furthermore obito would simply lift his head to catch him. Kunai toss irrelevant read what i just said and since when is it Minato's fighting to toss his kunai up? never. Space time barrier useless to big for it especiallt when its best feat is warping a standard bijuu dama not o mention his Katon would outlast the barrier which gets smaller the more it suck in.
Wrong. Minato let himself slip through Obito to test his ability. Only reason why chains caught him. Where were the chains when Minato figured out how his technique worked? Oh wait....:lol Obito was too busy getting whooped. Mokuton on Obito's level is short ranged and it comes from his body, thus it never hits Minato.
Minato been figured that out when he first attack obito as his kunai flew through his body then he hand turned solid to catch him. Minato will have the same mindset attack when he turns solid Obito having body parts Obito not knowing that Obito can have some parts warped while other there equal a dead minato. Mokuton spikes can shoot off or be thrown and they even extend
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Yeah minato would have been done if he used regular ftg, not space time barrier. No you are wrong, the databook even states the barrier suctioned up the bomb instantaneously. It didnt take time, its just the way kishi drew it to show that it passed through, but how else do you expect kishi to illustrate this. How can you judge the speed something was teleported by looking at still images :lol. If kishi animated it, kuramas bomb would have instantly passed straight through.
This is post is a poor attempt at just denying facts smh, I do not listen to the shitty databook note to yourself do not bring that shit here especially when the manga disagrees with him Kurama's tbb clearly was not sucked up instantly as you can see it getting smaller while on the other hand the juubi tbb was gone without even getting smaller at all. There is something called the anime oh wait your excuse is that even the canon in the anime is not canon huh? In the Anime the same thing happened it ran right into the space time barrier and got sucked in the anime juubi tbb ran into Killerbee in vanished that simple he jumped it.
.Also if juubi dama was teleported instantly, it would have reached the ocean instantly. Which isnt the case, minato had time to talk, before then choosing where to put it and redirecting the blast to the ocean, which is only possible with the barrier (even kishi showed us the ocean in one panel and the bomb still wasnt ere until the next couple panels, so it wasnt instant)
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not instant, bomb appears at the ocean a chapter after minato already warped it, and kishi shows in the panesl it only appears after sakura speaks) . Minato does not have the chakra (edo tensei or not) to teleport a standard juubi bomb with regular ftg. Also an edo doesnt have more chakra that they did alive, in fact he had less power. If minato didnt have the chakra he would have been panting.
Wrong as phuck Minato havent even announced his self with the bijuu dama exploded
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furthermore these panels are not happening at the same time there just showing you what happened to the juubi dama. Lets say you were right you would still be wrong because the moment the barrier close the bijuu dama appeared in the distance so that would shit on your own points you fool. Except Minato already did teleport the juubi bomb with ftg no one stated he would have more chakra as an edo i said he would have drained his chakra pool warping something that large. Since when do edo show sign of fatigue? Madara did not show any same with Itachi so the last part was a dumb thing to say.
Tell me why was minato exhausted after using ftg to teleport the ninja allaince outisde of obitos barrier.. And that was minato in kyuubi chakra mode (using nine tails chakra). Yet was perfectly fine in base teleporting a juubi bomb :lol. Common sense shows that ftg uses more chakra than the barrier. Ftg requires chakra proptionate to size of object(s). While chakra used for barrier depends on the size of the barrier. Lastly tell me how minTo touched the juubi bomb when he himself said he cannot touch/mark them. Obviously the barrier is used.
Did you really just make up the bold? Minato was not the least bit effected chakra wise
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he looks like he always do i guess that's why you opted to not show a scan and just brought up that nonsese. The rest of the post is irrelevant due to your main argument falling apart so i will not address it by the way your a terrible debate and to think i actually thought you changed and was even considering taking you under my wing thanks for bring me back down to earth stupid boy.
Already saw minatos shunshin reach the battlefield minutes before the other hokage, even stopping at the ocean to place a kunai. Then places 4 kunai around the juubi of a massive square radius, each largely distanced apart (does this without anyone noticing). Then warps the bomb away, redirects it to the ocean, bomb goes off, minato chats with naruto a bit. All before the other hokage arrive :lol
All off panels so irrelevant as phuck. Not to mention who said Minato used shunshin Minato has FTG all around the world his seal never disappears and my point still remains Giant Katon will even shot off before Minato even uses Bushin because once he enters a battle he sets out all his kunai thus the roast began. But try trying to fabricate and make things seem as complicated as possible Minato could have used bushin the hole 9.
Nope try again. Minato said he hasnt used it much in battle before. Meaning hes used it before, just not many times. Read the viz and raw translations. How can that even make sense to you, he just used it against juidara yet you are saying he has never used it in combat before :lol
Not see how this helps your argument he never once stated you need large chakra to be able to become a sage he said you need large chakra to control it which Minato cannot do hell he's never even used it in combat before so he cannot be any good at controlling it once again my point remains also this would still not prove nothing because Obito chakra level is till well above Minato's.
Minato being low on chakra after using FTG more than a dozen times, summoning bunta, warping a tbb, teleporting another tbb, teleporting kurama, having been suppressing the nine tails power for hours, using the rasengan, shunshun and two different seals on obito. Pls gtfo and actually read the manga. Obito didnt use a quarter of the ninjutsu minato used, and he still lost.
Minato did not use ftg 12 well atleast not on him self he used 3 ftg against himself vs Obito 2 to save kushina the other was a shunshin and 3 during his attack against Kurama means he only used eight but its all irrelevant because Obito was fighting Naruto the whole war controlling bijuu with outer path and chakra rods which is a chakra task ask Nagato, Obtio also using Mokuton, uchiha flame barrier, juubi size katon, kamui katon swirl, this is while getting his shoulder and face smashed in with rasengans chest stabed with Kunai and raikiri then a full body slash from Minato that faw outweights what Minato did. End game if it comes down to who could outlast who Obito wins comfortably.
This is post is a poor attempt at just denying facts smh, I do not listen to the shitty databook note to yourself do not bring that shit here especially when the manga disagrees with him Kurama's tbb clearly was not sucked up instantly as you can see it getting smaller while on the other hand the juubi tbb was gone without even getting smaller at all. There is something called the anime oh wait your excuse is that even the canon in the anime is not canon huh? In the Anime the same thing happened it ran right into the space time barrier and got sucked in the anime juubi tbb ran into Killerbee in vanished that simple he jumped it.
Not my fault you dont listen to the db. It says its instantaneous. Anime got that scene wrong so dont even bring it up, it showed minato holding his kunai with one hand while he was absorbing the bomb, while in the manga he clearly held with both arms outstretched. Anime also messed up the scene where minato hits obito with a rasengan. Minato was supposed to land the rasengan and catch the kunai after he rasengan hit. Anime got it completely wrong and had minato catch the kunai first, which makes no sense because that gives obito plenty of time to phase. So dont bring your stupid anime here when kishi didnt animate it. The bomb slowed down so much, when in actuality the bomb merely passsed through. You denying the db just means you concede here. Good enough for me. Still didnt tell me how minato touched a juubi bomb wihout destroying himself :lol pls do me a favour and gtfo.
Wrong as phuck Minato havent even announced his self with the bijuu dama exploded
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furthermore these panels are not happening at the same time there just showing you what happened to the juubi dama. Lets say you were right you would still be wrong because the moment the barrier close the bijuu dama appeared in the distance so that would shit on your own points you fool. Except Minato already did teleport the juubi bomb with ftg no one stated he would have more chakra as an edo i said he would have drained his chakra pool warping something that large. Since when do edo show sign of fatigue? Madara did not show any same with Itachi so the last part was a dumb thing to say.
What manga are you reading huh? Minato warped the bomb away. A fodder says "it vanished"... minato throws a kunai in front of naruto and teleports to it... Minato asks "am i late?"... Naruto replies "no, you are riht on time dad"...goes to next chapter and sakura says "who is he?"...Minato says "im minato namikaze, get ready for the blast"...bomb finally appears at the ocean and sets off. So since the time minato teleported at thing away, about 7 different actions have happened, most of which are multiple sentences spoken. So you are telling me at all those words and sentences were spoken, before the INSTANTANEOUS FTG had moved the bomb to the ocean :lol. Are you high? Clearly that bomb was warped and redirected at the time of minatos choosing.
No minato said he needed to choose carefully where to redirect the bomb. Minato acted quickly and picked a spot. It did not instantly appear behind minato. Stop making bs up and actually read the damn manga. Again, you arent telling me how minato can warp a juubi bomb without contact, because contact would mean being destroyed, so by all means do tell. Since when do edo show signs of fatigue...good lord you just drop the manga and stop reading pls. Im not even gonna link the scans, just go back and look at when Gengetsu uses Joki Boy and see how exhausted he was. Minato was exhausted after teleporting everyone in the alliance.
Even edo hashriama was panting after binding madara with his wood gates. It was just after naruto used his giant rasenshuriken on madara. Hashriama was tired. So domt tell me minato can teleport a juubi bomb in base without feeling fatigue, yet cant teleport the alliance will the nine tails chakra and still be tired.
Did you really just make up the bold? Minato was not the least bit effected chakra wise
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he looks like he always do i guess that's why you opted to not show a scan and just brought up that nonsese. The rest of the post is irrelevant due to your main argument falling apart so i will not address it by the way your a terrible debate and to think i actually thought you changed and was even considering taking you under my wing thanks for bring me back down to earth stupid boy.
Are you blind.. It indicated minato panting right in the very scan you brought up, you can see the "ha, ha" speech bubble pants coming from minato in that panel. You are failing so bad right now, trying to sound smart saying my argument fell apart. Youre so stupid you dont even know that edos can feel exhausted. You simply cant counter the rest of the argument so you choose not to.
All off panels so irrelevant as phuck. Not to mention who said Minato used shunshin Minato has FTG all around the world his seal never disappears and my point still remains Giant Katon will even shot off before Minato even uses Bushin because once he enters a battle he sets out all his kunai thus the roast began. But try trying to fabricate and make things seem as complicated as possible Minato could have used bushin the hole 9.
Hype means nothing in vs section keep the nonsense to yourself.
Off panel does not disguise blatant feats. He left the hokage in his dust and he surrounded the juubi with markings before anyone or any sensor in the allaince saw or noticed. Why the F do you think tobirama and hiruzen were wanking his speed when they arrived. Even tobirama praising his "shunshin" once he arrives. So what minato used one of his markings "that he left all around the world", teleported to the, and the left the other hokage behind. Pls wise up a bit. Tobirama already stated shunshin, nothing further to discuss. Yep minato used bunshin to divide his chakra and still teleport a juubi bomb XD. This reaching is just sad. Show me the clones or just stop.
Of course it does, thats just you failing to come up with a decent point. Stop making excuses. Before hashirama was even properly revealed, everyone used bis hype to justify his position and no one blinked an eye. He'd be placed at the top of tier lists and win majority vs threads, just due to hype. Keep making up your own rules. Theres hype and theres just common sense. I dont need hype to know how fast minato is when he's shown it countless times.
Not see how this helps your argument he never once stated you need large chakra to be able to become a sage he said you need large chakra to control it which Minato cannot do hell he's never even used it in combat before so he cannot be any good at controlling it once again my point remains also this would still not prove nothing because Obito chakra level is till well above Minato's.
Stop reading what you want to read. It says unless you already possess "enormous" chakra inside of you, nature energy would just take over. Stop being an idiiot. Yes that exactly means yo cannot become a sage unless you possess enormous chakra, otherwise the nature energy will just turn you to a toad and en to stone. Honestly are you deliberately not reading? If minato did not possess this enormous amount of chakra reserves that fukasaku was talking about, then how would minato continue the training? How would he become a sage.
I already told you to read the viz and yet you are spouting the same crap. Were you born retarded or did you just develop it over time. Only a retard forces someone to continually repeat the same thing over and over. He said he hasnt used it much in combat. The word "never" wasnt user at all.
Minato did not use ftg 12 well atleast not on him self he used 3 ftg against himself vs Obito 2 to save kushina the other was a shunshin and 3 during his attack against Kurama means he only used eight but its all irrelevant because Obito was fighting Naruto the whole war controlling bijuu with outer path and chakra rods which is a chakra task ask Nagato, Obtio also using Mokuton, uchiha flame barrier, juubi size katon, kamui katon swirl, this is while getting his shoulder and face smashed in with rasengans chest stabed with Kunai and raikiri then a full body slash from Minato that faw outweights what Minato did. End game if it comes down to who could outlast who Obito wins comfortably.
1. Teleport baby naruto away from masked man
2. Teleport back to safe house
3. Teleport kushina back to safe house
4. Teleport to hokage face
5. Warp bijuu dama ftg guidng thinder
6. Teleport from obitos kamui attempt
7. Teleport out of obitos chains
8. Teleport to thrown kunai and uses rasengan
9. Teleports to obito and stabs him
10. Teleports back to konoha
11. Teleports kurama and another bijuu dama away
12. Teleports to kushina and narutos location
13. Brings kushina and naruto to kuramas location....
You were saying?
Never said obito doesnt have more chakra, but you saying minato has just above average chakra is stupidity at its finest. Im also saying it will never get to the point where obito can outlast becuase minato will kill him long before that happens. Minato defeated him in less than 2 minutes last time. Yet you think obito will outlast against a 100% focused minato this time, at actually has intel? Dont be foolish.
Not my fault you dont listen to the db. It says its instantaneous. Anime got that scene wrong so dont even bring it up, it showed minato holding his kunai with one hand while he was absorbing the bomb, while in the manga he clearly held with both arms outstretched. Anime also messed up the scene where minato hits obito with a rasengan. Minato was supposed to land the rasengan and catch the kunai after he rasengan hit. Anime got it completely wrong and had minato catch the kunai first, which makes no sense because that gives obito plenty of time to phase. So dont bring your stupid anime here when kishi didnt animate it. The bomb slowed down so much, when in actuality the bomb merely passsed through. You denying the db just means you concede here. Good enough for me. Still didnt tell me how minato touched a juubi bomb wihout destroying himself :lol pls do me a favour and gtfo.
You trying to drag the anime down is pathetic when you claims does not stand in the manga and you talk about me not listening to the databook because its hyperboles everywhere in that book i rather stick to what i see heard and have basic knowledge on. Even in the manga you can see Kurama's tailed beast bomb was not warped away instantly so stop trying to fabricate the truth while the latter was gone in a instant. Nitpicking on him grabbing his kunai before his strike cannot take you serious with an argument like that. The bomb did not slow down so much stop exaggerating to prove your point, Minato does not need to touch the juubi dama to warp it because it came in contact with his kunai/chakra thus it was warped and dama attack does not destroy things before it explode if so Gyuki would have been dead because it used its body as a shield. You claim im denying the databook nope im just putting Manga over databook that simple and the manga does not like unlike those dumb words in the databook and since when can Minato use space time barrier without a hand seal because the kunai was in the ground with no one near it meaning it got warped try again loser.
What manga are you reading huh? Minato warped the bomb away. A fodder says "it vanished"... minato throws a kunai in front of naruto and teleports to it... Minato asks "am i late?"... Naruto replies "no, you are riht on time dad"...goes to next chapter and sakura says "who is he?"...Minato says "im minato namikaze, get ready for the blast"...bomb finally appears at the ocean and sets off. So since the time minato teleported at thing away, about 7 different actions have happened, most of which are multiple sentences spoken. So you are telling me at all those words and sentences were spoken, before the INSTANTANEOUS FTG had moved the bomb to the ocean :lol. Are you high? Clearly that bomb was warped and redirected at the time of minatos choosing.
No is denying Minato chose to where to warp the juubi dama obviously it would be somewhere far considering how destructive it is but that's besides the point because not only does that prove you wrong because the moment Kurama tailed beast bomb was warped it exploded in another location so it clearly was not the space time barrier and what other type of teleportation he has? only warping style the bijuu dama arriving to the scene late has nothing to do with him using space time barrier or standard warping but more so of its just being warped late and if anything the style of warping that i said would be more logical because when Minato first warped the alliance before the Bijuu dama exploded
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even here Obito see's no one in site fodder 626 says what happened meaning they're just know coming out of the warp
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so it would seem the larger something he warps the lately it arrives to the warping point either that or the manga was just being inconsistent with instant movement ill go with option 2 which is mine.
No minato said he needed to choose carefully where to redirect the bomb. Minato acted quickly and picked a spot. It did not instantly appear behind minato. Stop making bs up and actually read the damn manga. Again, you arent telling me how minato can warp a juubi bomb without contact, because contact would mean being destroyed, so by all means do tell. Since when do edo show signs of fatigue...good lord you just drop the manga and stop reading pls. Im not even gonna link the scans, just go back and look at when Gengetsu uses Joki Boy and see how exhausted he was. Minato was exhausted after teleporting everyone in the alliance.
Please stop making up your own Manga Minato said that when the explosion was already going off
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furthermore no one said the bomb just went off the moment it was absorbed space time barrier works like this if Minato does not chose a location for whatever he is warping it could pop out anywhere in that would be bad because of the destructive power of a bijuu dama so that's what i meant when i said it came right out because he already knew where he could warp it so that the bijuu dama would not hurt any life forms.
Minato's kunai made contact with the bijuu dama thus established a chakra connection for him to warp it the juubi dama like the bijuu dama does not destroy or vaporize things when its in its ball form of before exploding so he did not need to physically touch it and if he did it would not kill him but ill be waiting on your explanation on how he could use space time barrier without being near the kunai considering it need hand seals to be performed. Gengetsu was not exhausted enough with these fabrications please give me a scan of him being tired because im not about to go through the manga for a waste of time like i did to find that Minato was not the least bit tired after warping the alliance. I already proved your dumbass wrong with those claims i even posted a phucking Manga scan of Minato not showing the slightest sign of fatigue that something you just pull out your wanking ass in the fact that Madara already states this
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(Immortal body unlimited chakra) Manga > your made up excuses case close.
Even edo hashriama was panting after binding madara with his wood gates. It was just after naruto used his giant rasenshuriken on madara. Hashriama was tired. So domt tell me minato can teleport a juubi bomb in base without feeling fatigue, yet cant teleport the alliance will the nine tails chakra and still be tired.
Edo Hashirama was not painting of being tired he was painting because of the chakra rods which completely destroys an edo chakra network Hashirama even states is its hard mold chakra
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meaning using a jutsu would be tough on them add the fact that edo tensei could only regenerate with the rods out of there bodies
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those rods really phuck you up Hashirama warned Sasuke not to touch them. I already shitted on this Minato out of chakra nonsense to many times read above or do not post that simple also when you can provide a solid scan of Minato being tired then we can talk until then shut the hell up.
Are you blind.. It indicated minato panting right in the very scan you brought up, you can see the "ha, ha" speech bubble pants coming from minato in that panel. You are failing so bad right now, trying to sound smart saying my argument fell apart. Youre so stupid you dont even know that edos can feel exhausted. You simply cant counter the rest of the argument so you choose not to.
Ha ha is not a sign of painting please give up this argument the scan of Madara already debunked/shitted on majority of your post please gtfoh with this nonsense gasping at straws at its finest. I countered every single post you brought with Manga scans that are far more useful then the phucking databook and i sound stupid how? because your the one claiming dead bodies can get tired. Itachi through the whole Kabuto fight showed 0 signs of fatigue and we know how much MS strain does to Ms users especially someone like Itachi who has mild chakra reserves answer that why was he not tired or exhausted? simple answer is because he's a edo tensei zombie keep denying facts it cannot hurt a reputation you never had,
Off panel does not disguise blatant feats. He left the hokage in his dust and he surrounded the juubi with markings before anyone or any sensor in the allaince saw or noticed. Why the F do you think tobirama and hiruzen were wanking his speed when they arrived. Even tobirama praising his "shunshin" once he arrives. So what minato used one of his markings "that he left all around the world", teleported to the, and the left the other hokage behind. Pls wise up a bit. Tobirama already stated shunshin, nothing further to discuss. Yep minato used bunshin to divide his chakra and still teleport a juubi bomb XD. This reaching is just sad. Show me the clones or just stop.
Yes it does because doing things off panel means nothing when your feats contradict something, Escaping the sensory unit what sensory unit the alliance was out of chakra and what would they need to sense exactly the opponents where right infront of there faces so that point is useless at its finest. Tobirama praising Minato on his shunshin does not mean he did not used his ftg unless you reall think on feet alone with no bushin Minato could set an ftg so far that a juubi dama would not effect them considering a base juubi dama from skinny juubi can cover a Aoe the size of a country
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Minato is fast but no where near that fast on feet shunshin or not hell even Rinnegan Sasuke could not cover that distance on feet alone, Minato's foot speed is slower then V2 A which he needed ftg to not get blitz by the man and you expect me to believe he did all that on feet with no bushin this is the very reason why off panel movements are pointless to use in vs thread especially when feats disagree. Why would Minato need to warp the other Kages there? especially knowing a juubi dama was coming he would need to get there as fast as he can to try and save the alliance him trying to establish a chakra connection with the kages would only slow him down, Using a bushin does not limit what he could warp that simple and i do not see how that does not prove my point you also claim edo's get tired Minato warped the largest attack in Naruto vs history yet showed not a single sign of tiredness yet edo's run out of chakra dumb ass claim. I dont need to show you a clone or better ill show you a clone when you show me Minato on feet doing all those things hell or even show me scans of base Minato on feet covering those distances from the hokage faces and getting an ftg safely out of a charged juubi dama aoe from muscle juubi when you can prove that accurately then ill show you a scan of Minato using clones and teleporting to move faster.
Of course it does, thats just you failing to come up with a decent point. Stop making excuses. Before hashirama was even properly revealed, everyone used bis hype to justify his position and no one blinked an eye. He'd be placed at the top of tier lists and win majority vs threads, just due to hype. Keep making up your own rules. Theres hype and theres just common sense. I dont need hype to know how fast minato is when he's shown it countless times.
Hashirama's hype what was not placing him above alot of people in the matchups it was his jutsu that Madara has shown flower tree world which could solo alot of people Mokuton clones and him healing without weaving hand seals similar to tsunade also him defeating Kurama and Madara who name struck fear into the world and Kabuto himself believing Hashirama was a fairy tail even after he was so strong himself so no your wrong.
Stop reading what you want to read. It says unless you already possess "enormous" chakra inside of you, nature energy would just take over. Stop being an idiiot. Yes that exactly means yo cannot become a sage unless you possess enormous chakra, otherwise the nature energy will just turn you to a toad and en to stone. Honestly are you deliberately not reading? If minato did not possess this enormous amount of chakra reserves that fukasaku was talking about, then how would minato continue the training? How would he become a sage.
Pointless point Minato reserves are not enormous enough then is that better for you little ego being tired from what he did against Obito and Kurama is nothing compared to what actually people with enormous chakra reserves have done so my point still remains if this comes down to a battle of outlasting Obito would still win for sure rather Minato has ''enormous'' chakra not because Obito's is larger that simple, Why do you think Minato sage mode was so crappy? it was not because he could not learn it i mean Minato has been a prodigy since he was a child Naruto learned it Jiraiya is arguable has better reserves fail to the same conditions that fukasaku warned Naruto about but anyways Minato sage mode is shitty because of his chakra reserves.
I already told you to read the viz and yet you are spouting the same crap. Were you born retarded or did you just develop it over time. Only a retard forces someone to continually repeat the same thing over and over. He said he hasnt used it much in combat. The word "never" wasnt user at all.
Minato has never used it in combat period there was a war going on Minato did not use it when his son wife and village was about to die he did not use it hell he was pratically begging naruto to add senjutsu to his attack against juubito Minato first combat usage in sage mode was against Madara simple as that and since you talking about the viz how about post the scans because i cannot believe shit coming from you without a manga scan after the lies i just debunked today.
1. Teleport baby naruto away from masked man
2. Teleport back to safe house
3. Teleport kushina back to safe house
4. Teleport to hokage face
5. Warp bijuu dama ftg guidng thinder
6. Teleport from obitos kamui attempt
7. Teleport out of obitos chains
8. Teleport to thrown kunai and uses rasengan
9. Teleports to obito and stabs him
10. Teleports back to konoha
11. Teleports kurama and another bijuu dama away
12. Teleports to kushina and narutos location
13. Brings kushina and naruto to kuramas location....
Never said obito doesnt have more chakra, but you saying minato has just above average chakra is stupidity at its finest. Im also saying it will never get to the point where obito can outlast becuase minato will kill him long before that happens. Minato defeated him in less than 2 minutes last time. Yet you think obito will outlast against a 100% focused minato this time, at actually has intel? Dont be foolish.
@Bold then was all the crying for if you agree Obito has more chakra then why go through a list of things Minato did if the end result is if he does not have more chakra he gets outlasted simple as that. Minato beated a 14 year old boy who used less than half of his arsenal so bringing that fight up is moot Minato does not win this.
1. Cannot dodge juubi size katon space time barrier is not big enough to warp it and if it was the katon would simple outlast it
2. Obito was also rushing shit because he knew he had a limit on long he could control Kurama.
3. Obito did not lose it he left once his control over kurama was broken because he knew Minato would die taking it down this is a fight to the death Minato will need to kill Obito to win.
4. Mokuton uchiha kajin and giant shuriken helped with his giant katon would dice Minato up and trap a collect bunch of kunai.
5. Minato now has to worry about genjutsu and we both no how many times he ran up looking at his first also Obito can turn bodies part intangible while others are not something he could not do before.
Yes you did otherwise it would have been based off nothing.
That distance he covered with Kushina does not equal juubi in length so irrelevant. Him Shunshin up is useless when the katon is well above the ground even higher than that off a bijuu level from tail to head height wise so he not jumping above that furthermore obito would simply lift his head to catch him. Kunai toss irrelevant read what i just said and since when is it Minato's fighting to toss his kunai up? never. Space time barrier useless to big for it especiallt when its best feat is warping a standard bijuu dama not o mention his Katon would outlast the barrier which gets smaller the more it suck in.
Always hilarious when I catch someone lying about the Manga. Smh. There is no "lift his head to catch him", because him and the flame itself don't move faster than Minato can Shunshin. He shunshin's to another location thus Katon is dodged with zero effort. Stop wanking. Minato went from where Kyuubi's palm is, to the tree using Shunshin alone. [
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] Katon is dodged with no effort. Why would it have to be Juubi length when the Katon is nowhere near as wide or tall as it is long? Minato dodges to the side or he jumps away.
@bold: Do you realize how dumb you sound here? If you were just going to grasp at straws the whole entire post, you shouldn't have bothered responding. Minato tosses his Kunai left, right and pretty much any direction he needs to but somehow it's not in his fighting style to do the same thing? But in a different direction? Lmao. Counter is irrelevant and false.
Once again, you are grasping at straws and it's looking pathetic. Space Time Barrier depends on the size of the target. It already warped the Juubi's Bijuu Dama away, and it's far larger than Kurama's Bijuu Dama. And why would it get smaller when it hasn't completely sucked in the target? As it sucked the Bijuu Dama away it got smaller and smaller until IT WAS COMPLETELY GONE. Terrible attempt.
Wrong he did not test shit
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Minato been figured that out when he first attack obito as his kunai flew through his body then he hand turned solid to catch him. Minato will have the same mindset attack when he turns solid Obito having body parts Obito not knowing that Obito can have some parts warped while other there equal a dead minato. Mokuton spikes can shoot off or be thrown and they even extend
Lmfao. You sound like a fool. He slipped through Obito and then said to himself "He slips through attacks, I have to trade blows with him". That's the only reason Minato got caught. What's worse is that you are actually trying to argue that Minato gets caught again despite already fighting Obito with intel on his ability and Obito being unable to touch him during the remainder of the fight.
Stop grasping at straws.
Using them through his katon the lands simple as that.
