Gai vs Third Raikage

[Forbidden Technique]

Rasenshuriken was tanked without damage. It only removed his cloak and made TWO edo flakes come off his body. Now take into account the fact that Raikage is less durable when Edo Tensei, and Hirudora does not have an elemental advantage against Raiton shroud like FRS, and it's evident Raikage would tank Hirudora without damage.

So after Hirudora hits and blows off his cloak, he tanks, then puts his cloak up again for the next Hirudora.

Two different attacks. FRS is nothing but a bunch of individual microscopic wind blades, that failed to breach his skin... Even Temari's collaborated wind net did a better job in that regard. Hirudora is an attack that focuses and condenses all of it's air pressure into a single point, then explodes. I highly highly doubt the 3rd Raikage is TIERS above a V3 susano'o, in terms of durability - because that is what you're suggesting.

 

[Gold Lightning]

You completely contradicted yourself here. In the first paragraph you said it has nothing to do with her durability and only survived because it was her healing jutsu which heals her while simultaneously taking damage. This is wrong because Tsunade didn't activate her yin seal until after teleporting took place.

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At the end of the second paragraph you said it's about whether his body can tank it and his healing won't help. This is wrong because Tsunade could tank it and Kisame is more durable than Tsunade. After that his sword heals him the same way Byakogou did to Tsunade.

Not sure why are we debating this though, because the thread's title is Gai vs Third Raikage.

Ok yeah she activated it after she arrived. Thats still isnt tanking, thats not what tanking is. If she did not activate that seal, she would have died. It just means she wasnt killed straight away. She survived because of healing, not because of durability.

Again why is kisame more durable than tsuande.

I was comparing kisame surviving a hirudora to the durability of 3rd raikage (raiakge being tiers above kisames durability i base), its you who wants to debate this and saying kisame can survive mabuis teleportation without healing/regen.

 

[KidGamer65]

Gai loses solely because he can't put the Raikage down.

-No feats of him using two Hirudora's at once.
-A single Hirudora is probably around the level of Rasen Shuriken given scaling and feats, but FRS barely hurt him.

 

[Curse Mark]

3rd most likely takes this

 

[TRE MERCER]

The 3rd Raikage wank is just unreal.​

 

[Conspirator.]

The Raikage wins mid to high diff.

 

[RedRobin]

Tsunade tanked it while healing. I mean, that's not the definition of tanking, i meant he can survive it.

He can heal the damage with samehada.

But now that i think of it, Samehada would die, lol. So you're right he doesn't tank it.

Where are these kisame durability feats? Even Aoba easily pierced his skin with regular kunai.

Tsuande survived because of her healing jutsu. She already had it activated as soon as she reached the battlefield. She was bleeding and bruised, you could even see the wounds regenerating. Like Mabui said, she would have died. Thats nothing to do with tsuandes durability, she was repairing the damage while simultaneously receiving damage. Even Mabui saud the four raikage was unable to previously handle it, so how can kisame?

Its just like when Orochimaru if i remember correctly, stabbed her in the heart. She didnt die, she healed it. Doesnt mean shes durable, it means her healing is OP. And why are you telling me samehada will heal kisame? That wasnt the point. The point is if his body can tank it, and it cant. 3rd raikage tanks it in base, not even in lightning chakra mode.

False. She survived

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Mabui

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(6:38) but Tsunade would die. This translation makes more sense as it seems like Ay never tried it before.



Can the 3rd tank Hirudora? Not fully. He would get some injuries but he would end up surviving it.

Hirudora

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this susano. Ay and Onoki were able to

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. I have no doubt 1 finger Nukite would tear right through that susano but is it that much stronger than Hirudora? I doubt it which is why I think it will injure the 3rd but not kill him.

 

[EZQ]

Gai can use more then one Hirudora though. Perhaps not consecutively... but that wouldn't matter, because the Raikage doesn't have Edo Tensei's regeneration to renew him here. Against Kisame, Gai used Morning Peacock on a huge scale, then Hirudora immediately after, and felt no immediate drawbacks. So stating the Raikage takes a direct Hirudora, then finishes off Gai immediately after is not an argument.

Morning peackock won't do nothing to the raikage, and Gai isn't using 2 hirudoras consecutively. If its not consecutively its irrelevant, since it gives the raikage enough time to put up his lightining armour again. So if the sandaime tanks it the first time, he does the same the second time with no problems.

And i said eventually kills him because there would be a moment in which Gai would feel the drawbacks of his atacks, and then the raikage outlats him and kills him I never said immediatly lol.

EDIT: @bold: FRS had the elemental advantage against his armour, meaning it got completely removed and the raikage tanked it with his bare body. Hirudora doesn't have the elemental advantage, meaning it would have to destroy the armour and manage to damage the 3rds body, and i don't think hirudora is that much stronger than KCM Naruto's FRS. FRS barely gave him skin damage, since we saw a few edo flakes, meaning that if he was alive he'd gotten just a few scars, so there isn't really need for edo regeneration, since he didn't get any wound that would've killed him if he wasn't edo.

 

[Beans2]

The 3rd Raikage wank is just unreal.​

Can Raikage tank Hirudora?

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Morning peackock won't do nothing to the raikage, and Gai isn't using 2 hirudoras consecutively. If its not consecutively its irrelevant, since it gives the raikage enough time to put up his lightining armour again. So if the sandaime tanks it the first time, he does the same the second time with no problems.

And i said eventually kills him because there would be a moment in which Gai would feel the drawbacks of his atacks, and then the raikage outlats him and kills him I never said immediatly lol.

EDIT: @bold: FRS had the elemental advantage against his armour, meaning it got completely removed and the raikage tanked it with his bare body. Hirudora doesn't have the elemental advantage, meaning it would have to destroy the armour and manage to damage the 3rds body, and i don't think hirudora is that much stronger than KCM Naruto's FRS. FRS barely gave him skin damage, since we saw a few edo flakes, meaning that if he was alive he'd gotten just a few scars, so there isn't really need for edo regeneration, since he didn't get any wound that would've killed him if he wasn't edo.

I mentioned Morning Peacock, because Gai used two of his strongest attacks consecutively without feeling any immediate drawbacks or even showing a slight sign of fatigue. He was completely fine. So there is no reason to believe that Gai is limited to just one Hirudora in a fight.

Like I told Beans, FRS and Hirudora are two different attacks. FRS is nothing but a bunch of individual microscopic wind blades which lacked the power to breach his skin. There is no focus point of power. The collaborated cast net did a better job breaching the Raikage, because all of it's power was focused into those few wind blades, rather then scattered all over the place like FRS. Hirudora focuses and condenses all of it's air pressure into a single point, then explodes. That's completely different from FRS's mechanics. So what basis do we have here to state that the Raikage will tank Hirudora with little to no damage? Because we're thus implying that he is a bunch of tiers above a V3 susano'o in terms of durability.

 

[Unorthodox]

Against FRS, he was facing a wind style technique, which means his lightining armour got completely removed, and his body alone without the armour tanked FRS.

The same body that Temari & fodder 5 managed to damage? Hell no

Gai can use more then one Hirudora though. Perhaps not consecutively... but that wouldn't matter, because the Raikage doesn't have Edo Tensei's regeneration to renew him here. Against Kisame, Gai used Morning Peacock on a huge scale, then Hirudora immediately after, and felt no immediate drawbacks. So stating the Raikage takes a direct Hirudora, then finishes off Gai immediately after is not an argument.

If not consecutively them he loses that simple. Learn how the gates work and with how they function each Gate has it own moves which = its own limits

6 gates - Morning peacock
7 gates - Afternoon Tiger
8 gates - Night Gai (EE is excluded because its like his raw punches that just send waves not his most powerful attack in that form plus 8 gates being the last gate would most likely have 2 attacks)

Anyways after those attack are used with that gate there power is done for or atleast on a cooldown, Gai using Hirudora after morning peacock means nothing because gates does not run off of chakra completely like most attack simple 6 gates energy was drained then 7 gates re opened more power so him using those gates in succession does not mean he could do the same in a 1 gated form (7th), Gai not feeling the immediate drawbacks does not = he can use another Hirudora.

Gai loses solely because he can't put the Raikage down.
-No feats of him using two Hirudora's at once.
-A single Hirudora is probably around the level of Rasen Shuriken given scaling and feats, but FRS barely hurt him.

Yet him using 2 Hirudora's was the reason majority of the thread gave for him defeating MS Sasuke but i guess your entitled to change your mind huh?

Can Raikage tank Hirudora?

Wait you claim Hirudora = FRS and that did nothing to the 3rd when it had the elemental advantage but on the thread you agreed with me on how V4 susanoo would need atleast 2-3 FRS to knock it off and you even compared edo 3rd raikage durability to a V4 susanoo or at very least said they were near each other if v4 susanoo was superior but it would not matter as nukite pierced him like butter so it would do the same to V4 susanoo so does this Mean MS Sasuke > Gai?

 

[Forbidden Technique]

If not consecutively them he loses that simple. Learn how the gates work and with how they function each Gate has it own moves which = its own limits

6 gates - Morning peacock
7 gates - Afternoon Tiger
8 gates - Night Gai (EE is excluded because its like his raw punches that just send waves not his most powerful attack in that form plus 8 gates being the last gate would most likely have 2 attacks)

Anyways after those attack are used with that gate there power is done for or atleast on a cooldown, Gai using Hirudora after morning peacock means nothing because gates does not run off of chakra completely like most attack simple 6 gates energy was drained then 7 gates re opened more power so him using those gates in succession does not mean he could do the same in a 1 gated form (7th), Gai not feeling the immediate drawbacks does not = he can use another Hirudora.

Wrong. Per usual. Read the manga and know what you're actually talking about before you quote me please. The only gate that re-energises the body is the second gate, and it doesn't get re-opened from going 6th to the 7th gate. Manga completely disagrees with you because Gai used Hirudora (right after Morning Peacock) without draining Gai's energy in the slightest. He used it in the war-arc without the physical strength to even stand up on his own, so obviously it doesn't require a lot of energy to perform.

 

[Beans2]

Ok yeah she activated it after she arrived. Thats still isnt tanking, thats not what tanking is. If she did not activate that seal, she would have died. It just means she wasnt killed straight away. She survived because of healing, not because of durability.

Again why is kisame more durable than tsuande.

I was comparing kisame surviving a hirudora to the durability of 3rd raikage (raiakge being tiers above kisames durability i base), its you who wants to debate this and saying kisame can survive mabuis teleportation without healing/regen.

When did I say Kisame can survive without healing? I said Kisame would survive the technique because Samehada can heal him like Byakogou healed Tsunade. Though Kisame is irrelevant, because Hirudora's best feat is destroying V3 Susanoo.

If you wanted to compare Kisame's durability to the Third Raikage's, you could have just said Raikage can tank Rasenshuriken while Kisame cannot :lol

Two different attacks. FRS is nothing but a bunch of individual microscopic wind blades, that failed to breach his skin... Even Temari's collaborated wind net did a better job in that regard. Hirudora is an attack that focuses and condenses all of it's air pressure into a single point, then explodes. I highly highly doubt the 3rd Raikage is TIERS above a V3 susano'o, in terms of durability - because that is what you're suggesting.

Being microscopic wind blades isn't relevant because all the wind blades compact together to make a giant wind sphere explosion. Temari's wind net only damaged a base Raikage. Like FRS, Hirudora doesn't deal real damage until it explodes and its explosion is not a focused attack so Raikage would tank it like he tanked FRS. And there's also the fact that Raikage is more durable when alive as opposed to Edo. Third Raikage is at least a tier above V3 Susanoo in durability.

 

[Beans2]

Wait you claim Hirudora = FRS and that did nothing to the 3rd when it had the elemental advantage but on the thread you agreed with me on how V4 susanoo would need atleast 2-3 FRS to knock it off and you even compared edo 3rd raikage durability to a V4 susanoo or at very least said they were near each other if v4 susanoo was superior but it would not matter as nukite pierced him like butter so it would do the same to V4 susanoo so does this Mean MS Sasuke > Gai?

Well, MS Sasuke vs Gai depends on if Gai can use multiple Hirudora, and I think he can.

 

[Unorthodox]

Wrong. Per usual.

You dont even know me saying im wrong per usual what? child stawp

Read the manga and know what you're actually talking about before you quote me please. The only gate that re-energises the body is the second gate, and it doesn't get re-opened from going 6th to the 7th gate. Manga completely disagrees with you because Gai used Hirudora (right after Morning Peacock) without draining Gai's energy in the slightest.

I read the manga and i read it well, Not once did i say it would renergise Gai i said once he reached the limits with his 6 gates opening the 7 gates would make that a whole new form so him being fatigued from 6 gates would not even matter anymore also it still does not change the fact that a Hirudora from 7th gates would make him weakened the only reasons he did not feint or become weak and feeble is because he held back Hirudora's power to keep kisame alive unlike when he used its full power that is V3 level so again your point because moot.

He used it in the war-arc without the physical strength to even stand up on his own, so obviously it doesn't require a lot of energy to perform.

Gai was standing up when he used Hirudora against Madara and when he did it against Jin maddy so i dont know what your talking about. Put it like this the gai that used 8 gates vs a fully rested gai using 8th gate would stalemate each other because once the gate is opened or release fatigue is thrown out the window briefly we seen how long it takes gai to recover after hirudora normally yet against Madara he he whipped on 8 gates the next chapter,

 

[Unorthodox]

Well, MS Sasuke vs Gai depends on if Gai can use multiple Hirudora, and I think he can.

But Hirudora = FRS which you admitted it would take 2-3 to knock down V4 susanoo armor alone not taking the V3 susanoo underneath into account you also said that V4 susanoo would be = if not greater then edo 3rd raikage body which you claim took 0 damage even with the elemental advantage so what your saying does not add up see how easy it because i don't expose people i let them expose there self

 

[KidGamer65]

Yet him using 2 Hirudora's was the reason majority of the thread gave for him defeating MS Sasuke but i guess your entitled to change your mind huh?

Smh. Please don't start this again, especially when you aren't even reading what I said. I said that he can't use 2 Hirudoras AT THE SAME TIME. Never said he can't use two in one fight.

 

[Unorthodox]

Smh. Please don't start this again, especially when you aren't even reading what I said. I said that he can't use 2 Hirudoras AT THE SAME TIME. Never said he can't use two in one fight.

Never said you said he could not use 2 in fight i said you said he could not use 2 in succession which was what all of you naysayers we saying.

 

[KidGamer65]

Never said you said he could not use 2 in fight i said you said he could not use 2 in succession which was what all of you naysayers we saying.

Never said that he can use 2 back to back. Ever. :lol The reason he beats MS Sasuke is because he can use multiple Hirudora in a single fight. Period. And that's assuming that V4 isn't strong enough to tank what V3 can't take.

 

[Unorthodox]

Never said that he can use 2 back to back. Ever. :lol The reason he beats MS Sasuke is because he can use multiple Hirudora in a single fight. Period. And that's assuming that V4 isn't strong enough to tank what V3 can't take.

Because Sasuke with sit there while gai preps another Hirudora please.

i already established v4 susanoo being much above v3 so it definitely takes Hirudora easy