[Discussion] Weakest younkou

[A v i]

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Well it's official now. Kaido is the strongest

Seems like it. And the discussion wasn't about whether if Shanks is stronger than Kaido or not. It's about whether of he deserves to be the weakest at this point in manga or not. But thanks anyways.

 

[Bogard]

Seems like it. And the discussion wasn't about whether if Shanks is stronger than Kaido or not. It's about whether of he deserves to be the weakest at this point in manga or not. But thanks anyways.

I know, but i still wanted to show it Shanks is probably the second strongest yonko at this point unless Teach is already near his peak

 

[A v i]

I know, but i still wanted to show it Shanks is probably the second strongest yonko at this point unless Teach is already near his peak

Still wondering how Shanks managed to stop this guy. IMO Shanks will eventually gets killed by BB so he'll be surpassed by him sooner or later.


I was planning to ask someone to get me the scan.You actually saved me the trouble of asking him for the scan.

 

[Hexuze]

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Well it's official now. Kaido is the strongest

Thanks for posting. I was going to ask Noto for the scan but he got banned. >.>

I know, but i still wanted to show it Shanks is probably the second strongest yonko at this point unless Teach is already near his peak

I don't see BB surpassing Shanks this early, it will happen near EoS.

 

[LitzSabr]

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Well it's official now. Kaido is the strongest

Even the part about WB is better translated here. Also can we get to know what is the translation of the part where it was said that he "Alone" challenged the yonkos and marines. Not that it's really required to confirm his position now but the translation for it was different too.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

A person of his stature can lost arm by accident?? I don't think so, maybe he was not that impressive from the very start, right??

Yes, he can.

It's not really is he impressive or not. His status as Yonko prove that.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Yes, he can.

It's not really is he impressive or not. His status as Yonko prove that.

Losing an arm by accident and being a younkou are bit ironical in OP world.....

 

[mishoa]

BB. One of his high ranking commanders got low diffed by Sabo.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Losing an arm by accident and being a younkou are bit ironical in OP world.....

Yeah it's ironic, but not what are you implying.

BB. One of his high ranking commanders got low diffed by Sabo.

What's problem with that?

 

[TrillKing]

BB.... even though he has two devilfruits should still be outclassed in haki.

 

[ToshiZO]

Don't know if you're aware of this or not but the more you get to know about a character the lesser will be the hype surrounding that character. Every character gets over hyped at the beginning then his/her hype will get lesser as time passes. It's same for every villain introduced so far and Kaido isn't an exception. Besides don't you think what you're currently doing with Kaido is what the other people did with Shanks? Just knowing a bit made you put Kaido above the rest and you're calling people idiots for doing the same in case of Shanks.



No one is reading manga so badly that they actually think that if a character has more panel time then it means that the said character is stronger than others. Shanks barely had any panel time compared to other yonko.



I wonder if you're being serious or not. He did far more than just getting a scare from BB and losing an arm to a beast. And I am pretty sure everyone in this forum is aware of his accomplishments. Shanks received his scare prior to the formation of his crew which happened like 20y ago which means that Shanks was less than 20Y old back then. Just a glare of him was enough to scare the shit out the of the same monster which was responsible for the loss of his limb so anyone with basic comprehension should be able to deduce the fact that he lost his arm because the situation demands it not because he was weak enough to lose against a fodder sea king.


About his portrayal: We all know that BB was out of his mind at MF, he actually thought that he's the strongest and went as far as challenging both Garp and Sengoku at the same time. Same dude became so cool and openly admitted that he's incapable of going against Shanks which puts him above BB. So until we get something that proves otherwise Shanks remains superior to BB.

Much of same can be said about Akainu, he went as far as challenging all Wb commanders just to make sure that Luffy dies. Same guy was desperately hopeless to make a move when Shanks stood in his way. No matter how much people try to spin the situation by using excuses such as fighting another yonko is meaningless and all . It doesn't change a thing.

Shanks is one of 3 people with right capabilities to wear Rogers hat with 2 of them being potential PK candidates whose hype is above anyone else in the series. Needless to say that the pirate king himself entrusted his hat with Shanks. If it is not same as him getting better portrayal then I don't know what it is. Apart from stupidity , he's pretty much shown to be same as Luffy and Roger in every possible way.

With the latest info we received about Kaido, it should be obvious for anyone that words are useless against him and that he's not level headed. So if anyone gets in his way then he'd attack them without a second thought even if it's a yonko. After all he insane enough to attack enemy groups all by himself. Shanks managed to stop that guy from going after Whitebeard in no time and actually managed to reach MF to stop the war. Once again if it is not portrayal then I definitely don't know what it is.




About Big Mom: If it isn't for the sake of argument I am pretty sure even you'd admit the fact that male dominance is too high in the series so she can't possibly be stronger than fellow Yonko. And nothing surrounding BM actually hints the point of her being stronger than any other Yonko. She doesn't have anything to offer when compared to others so putting her above others is just stupid. And there is nothing wrong with putting someone above others based on what we have given so far because that's how arguments are being presented in this kind of discussions for ages. It's not like we know everything about every single character in the series yet we tend to discuss stuff about them.So there is nothing wrong with making conclusions based on what we have in our hands. But they can't be presented as facts , I can agree with that much. Shanks isn't conformed to be stronger but with what we have seen so far he mustn't be below Big Mom or BB. That's what I have been trying to say.

Listen you didn't need to explain to me what Portrayal Shanks has, I'm well aware of it. I had Shanks second on my list. My point is, you can't get butthurt if someone puts him last since all of them are in the same league and barely anything has been shown.

Point still stands, that you can't properly rank characters if we havent seen anything from the ones we are ranking. Ofcourse we don't know every single thing of every single character, but in this case we have absolutely nothing to pinpoint the ranking of the absolute elite. What you're saying is he has more plot relevance than the other yonkou which is why he should be ranked higher, which isn't the worst way to rank and it does make sense BUT look at Kaidou now, people are doubting if Shanks is the strongest Yonkou despite having the most relevance to Luffy and Roger. This is why you can't get upset if someone ranks Shanks last among the strongest in the verse, putting him first isn't any more accurate.

 

[Kαmi]

My guess is Big Mom. And unless BB has already reached his full potential, I believe Shanks is 2nd.

 

[A v i]

Listen you didn't need to explain to me what Portrayal Shanks has, I'm well aware of it. I had Shanks second on my list. My point is, you can't get butthurt if someone puts him last since all of them are in the same league and barely anything has been shown.

No one is getting butthurt here. Shanks is at least directly implied to be above BB so I don't see why he'd be below him. What if they're on same level? No one puts Akainu below Aokiji just because they're on the same level despite him being portrayed to superior to Aojiki. Yes , he's barely stronger but still it doesn't chagne the fact that he's superior so anyone that'd put Aokiji above Akainu is just stupid. IF you're well aware of his portrayal you don't use arguments such as Shanks lost arm to a sea king, he got a scare on face etc. They'd only make your argument look bad here.

Point still stands, that you can't properly rank characters if we havent seen anything from the ones we are ranking. Ofcourse we don't know every single thing of every single character, but in this case we have absolutely nothing to pinpoint the ranking of the absolute elite. What you're saying is he has more plot relevance than the other yonkou which is why he should be ranked higher, which isn't the worst way to rank and it does make sense BUT look at Kaidou now, people are doubting if Shanks is the strongest Yonkou despite having the most relevance to Luffy and Roger. This is why you can't get upset if someone ranks Shanks last among the strongest in the verse, putting him first isn't any more accurate.

Once again I don't get why you're using words such as butthurt , upset etc. We're not childish enough to do so and I definitely didn't said that Shanks should be stronger just because he holds more relevance. It could be one of the reasons though. I clearly said that his portrayal is superior based on what we have seen which is why he can't be weakest at this point. I admitted that he's weaker than Kaido and I believe that he'd get surpassed by BB. So how can I be butthurt or upset over something like him being weaker than others? Besides I just admitted that he's not conformed to be stronger but he's stronger based on what we have seen so far.


We don't know everything about all characters which is why discussions & conclusions are made based on the information we received from the writer. I have seen your arguments in Law and Vergo related arguments you put Law above Zoro despite not knowing a thing about Zoro's new found powers. Apparently you put Vergo's haki above Zoro's and I am sure you definitely don't know for sure above where Zoro stands compared to Law and Vergo yet to you put them above him. It because it was a conclusion based on what we have seen , it is not something conformed by manga or an accurate comparison. We're all following same principle here. So there is nothing wrong with people opposing the point of Shanks being weakest because the portrayal so far doesn't support that claim.

 

[ToshiZO]

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No we have seen plenty from Vergo, Zoro, Law etc. it is not even close to the same principle. We have nothing not even a face of Big Mom, we didn't have one of Kaidous up until just last chapter. This is a completely different case.

There are plenty people here who are upset that Shanks was ranked lowest. Look at all the dislikes the first post received. This is merely someones opinion of the ranking of unknowns and so many people are upset over something that isn't even backed up by solid evidence but by mere assumptions.

By now you should be able to understand what I'm saying, I keep repeating the same thing over and over.

 

[A v i]

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No we have seen plenty from Vergo, Zoro, Law etc. it is not even close to the same principle. We have nothing not even a face of Big Mom, we didn't have one of Kaidous up until just last chapter. This is a completely different case.

There are plenty people here who are upset that Shanks was ranked lowest. Look at all the dislikes the first post received. This is merely someones opinion of the ranking of unknowns and so many people are upset over something that isn't even backed up by solid evidence but by mere assumptions.

By now you should be able to understand what I'm saying, I keep repeating the same thing over and over.

It is same for me. I have been repeating the same stuff and you're not getting my point or simply pretending as such. Anyone in this forum should know that Zoro has yet to get serious let alone knowing most of what he can do after TS. And why are you referring to Big Mom alone when we have BB who was directly implied to be inferior to Shanks? It's clearly beyond me. Whatever it seems like a waste of time for both of us at this point.