Can ftg be used to escape the Kamui dimension?

[animals74]

ima say no.. her dimensions seem like another world which shouldnt be connected to FTGs markers

 

[solorflare99]

No. Kamui is a sealed dimension. Kaguya's portals aren't.

Where was this ever stated?

I supposed you have indicated now; however I don't remember anyone stating that sasuke could have escaped except you

I don't remember it ever being stated by anyone that reverse summoning doesn't work except by you.

Also if reverse summoning didn't work then how come the bird summon escaped the dimension.

The bird was teleported in and was teleported out.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Where was this ever stated?

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[Gold Lightning]

No. Kamui is a sealed dimension. Kaguya's portals aren't.

I'd love to know where you got this "sealed dimension" from. Or evidence that categorises Kaguyas dimensions as different to obito said dimension.

The fact that Obito can open portals into other dimensions alone tells me that a dimension is a dimension.

Edit: oh now I see where you got it from (sealed dimension). The db is merely referring to there being no escape, that's no different to Kaguyas dimension, it's hagoromo who had to set team 7 free from her dimension. It can also be described as a sealed dimension.

 

[Blackdeath667]

No.

FTG works by "folding" inwards two points in the space-time continuum on one dimensional plane. The Kamui dimension is on a different plane so no, it won't work.

An FTG user can teleport throughout either one, but not both simultaenously. Kuchiyose is different because like Kamui, it creates a portal to connect two spaces.

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[solorflare99]

No. Kamui is a sealed dimension. Kaguya's portals aren't.

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Sealed dimension, not sealing dimension. Two different things.

Sealed dimension: A dimension with no way out. Kamui fits the description and so does Kaguya. Kaguya put Sasuke in here dimension with the expectation that he would have no way out, little did she know that Obito had similar powers to her.

 

[Gold Lightning]

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Not really, the guy said summoning jutsu is different to FTG. Despite the databook saying both techniques share the same principles (work the same way). Not to mention he made up pretty much everything he said with no proof. He also fails to acknowledge that FTG guiding thunder opens a hole in space into its own dimension as well.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Sealed dimension, not sealing dimension. Two different things.

Sealed dimension: A dimension with no way out. Kamui fits the description and so does Kaguya. Kaguya put Sasuke in here dimension with the expectation that he would have no way out, little did she know that Obito had similar powers to her.

your definition is only an assumption. Sasuke, obito, and harogomo all manipulated her dimensions in some way despite not having any eyes/abilities connected to kaguya. Whereas obito and kakashi agreed on kamui being the only way to access kamuiland. Therefore its safe to say kaguya's dimensions aren't sealed while kamui is. And even if you don't follow my reasoning it was already put in words that its sealed where as it was never put in words that kaguya's dimensions are sealed.

 

[Great Master Minato]

There's nothing that indicates it can't...wait fanfic says hi!

 

[NarutoX28]

I don't know, could Kaguya enter Kamui's Dimension?

 

[solorflare99]

your definition is only an assumption. Sasuke, obito, and harogomo all manipulated her dimensions in some way despite not having any eyes/abilities connected to kaguya. Whereas obito and kakashi agreed on kamui being the only way to access kamuiland. Therefore its safe to say kaguya's dimensions aren't sealed while kamui is. And even if you don't follow my reasoning it was already put in words that its sealed where as it was never put in words that kaguya's dimensions are sealed.

It not an assumption it's me understanding the English language. Sealing(adjaticive)dimension(noun). Sealed(adverb) dimension(noun).
And obviously they(Hogoromo and Sasuke) do have eyes connected to Kaguya. All you have proven is that they can't enter Kamui not that they can't leave. Again they are sealed because Kakashi, Obito, or Kaguya closed off their dimension. When Kaguya put Sasuke in her dimension it was sealed due to her closing her portal. Saying it isn't a sealed dimension because people get in means that Kamui isn't because Kamui it self let's anyone get in the dimension with the power.
Your poor logic and misinterpretation of words prove nothing.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

There's nothing that indicates it can't...wait fanfic says hi!

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So much for fanfic.

 

[Akatsuki Nomad]

Quite possibly yes, I beleive so anyway. Because Sasuke summoned his hawk in Kaguyas dimension, showing that space time ninjutsu such as the summoning jutsu still works.

The principle of FTG is similar to that of the summoning jutsu, so it should work. Obito also showed he can use kamui to open holes into other dimensions as well. Minato has a similar ability, his space time barrier can tear open holes in space, so he should be able to return to the real world with that.

Then finally you have the reverse summoning jutsu.

This all the way. FTG is basically reverse summoning. Nice evidence man!

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It not an assumption it's me understanding the English language. Sealing(adjaticive)dimension(noun). Sealed(adverb) dimension(noun).

Saying it isn't a sealed dimension because people get in means that Kamui isn't because Kamui it self let's anyone get in the dimension with the power.
Your poor logic and misinterpretation of words prove nothing.

seal: isolate an area by preventing or monitoring entrance to and exit from it.

But obviously they(Hogoromo and Sasuke) do have eyes connected to Kaguya.

no they dont. sasuke's s/t tech and kaguya's s/t tech are completely different.
Different name different abilities.
Same goes for obito.
Harogomo doesn't even have a listed s/t he used standard summoning.
Yet all 3 interacted and manipulated kaguya's dimension or objects in kaguya's dimension

All you have proven is that they can't enter Kamui not that they can't leave.

no i proved that they can't interact with kamui. Period.

Again they are sealed because Kakashi, Obito, or Kaguya closed off their dimension.

kaguya can't access the dimension.

When Kaguya put Sasuke in her dimension it was sealed due to her closing her portal.

false. Sasuke already shown the capacity to summon in her dimensions therefore its not sealed if other s/t can interact with it.

 

[TrollKing]

Where was this ever stated?


I don't remember it ever being stated by anyone that reverse summoning doesn't work except by you.

Also if reverse summoning didn't work then how come the bird summon escaped the dimension.

The bird was teleported in and was teleported out.

No

People claim sasuke was trapped in kaguya dimension

 

[solorflare99]

seal: isolate an area by preventing or monitoring entrance to and exit from it.


no they dont. sasuke's s/t tech and kaguya's s/t tech are completely different.
Different name different abilities.
Same goes for obito.
Harogomo doesn't even have a listed s/t he used standard summoning.
Yet all 3 interacted and manipulated kaguya's dimension or objects in kaguya's dimension

no i proved that they can't interact with kamui. Period.

kaguya can't access the dimension.
false. Sasuke already shown the capacity to summon in her dimensions therefore its not sealed if other s/t can interact with it.

Again it is sealed due to them specifically closing it. So what you're saying is once a person is sealed insomething they can't escape on their own? Because I can show you plenty of time people have been sealed, yet escape.

Um yes they do have connected eyes, I never said they have the same S/T jutsu, but their is clearly a connection between their eyes and their jutsu.

So they can't interact with Kamui, that means nothing as Kamui is simply the jutsu. They are in a dimension and will use their own jutsu to escape that dimension.
I never said Kaguya had access to Obito's dimension I was talking about her own dimension.

You have never seen summoning jutsu or FTG used in Kamui land, and you never seen it fail either, thus you can't use that to prove it cannot happen.

 

[solorflare99]

No

People claim sasuke was trapped in kaguya dimension

Who are these people and why are they significant?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Again it is sealed due to them specifically closing it. So what you're saying is once a person is sealed insomething they can't escape on their own? Because I can show you plenty of time people have been sealed, yet escape.

once in escape is impossible without kamui.

Um yes they do have connected eyes, I never said they have the same S/T jutsu, but their is clearly a connection between their eyes and their jutsu.

no they don't standard summoning jutsu, Amenominaka, Amenotejikara, and kamui have nothing to do with each other.

Where as kakashi's kamui and obito's kamui have everything to do with each other.

So they can't interact with Kamui, that means nothing as Kamui is simply the jutsu. They are in a dimension and will use their own jutsu to escape that dimension.

Nope. That's kamui's dimension, and disproved above based on the actual meaning of seal.

I never said Kaguya had access to Obito's dimension I was talking about her own dimension.

red it wrong. Apologies. You're still incorrect tho. Never was it said kaguya closed off the dimensions. had that been the case they wouldn't even be able to sense each other from different dimensions, heck obito even confirmed that her dimensions are a finite distance away from each other, Meaning they exist on the same plain. Where as obito's can't be sensed Period.

You have never seen summoning jutsu or FTG used in Kamui land, and you never seen it fail either, thus you can't use that to prove it cannot happen.

False again.

Kakashi received naruto's chakra along with the rest of sa yet didn't get teleported with Sa when minato came to save them.


TY GG.

 

[solorflare99]

once in escape is impossible without kamui.

no they don't standard summoning jutsu, Amenominaka, Amenotejikara, and kamui have nothing to do with each other.

Where as kakashi's kamui and obito's kamui have everything to do with each other.

Nope. That's kamui's dimension, and disproved above based on the actual meaning of seal.

red it wrong. Apologies. You're still incorrect tho. Never was it said kaguya closed off the dimensions. had that been the case they wouldn't even be able to sense each other from different dimensions, heck obito even confirmed that her dimensions are a finite distance away from each other, Meaning they exist on the same plain. Where as obito's can't be sensed Period.


False again.

Kakashi received naruto's chakra along with the rest of sa yet didn't get teleported with Sa when minato came to save them.


TY GG.

No evidence of it being impossible. Are you saying if Kaguya got put into kamui land she would be trapped forever?

First Kakashi's kamui isn't kakashi's kamui it's Obito's. Second their eyes are connected. None of this is relevant as you are only proving that you need kamui to enter, it does not prove that it is needed to escape.

I'm quite sure that they could sense him because they were in kaguya's main dimension. And Naruto and Sasuke are connected. Also if they were finite distances from eachother than sensing eachother in similar position wouldn't make sense. Also I do recall Naruto sensing Obito while he has intangible at one point.

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Kakashi didn't get teleported because he didn't get Minato's Chakra. He clearly didn't see the v1 cloak on kakashi after he got teleported into kamuiland.

TY and GG.

 

[Great Master Minato]

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So much for fanfic.

Kakashi saying "It's probably me & him" =/= no one else can interact with it, Kakashi isn't a S/T specialist either.