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Destructive capacity : Multi Solar System level+
Travel speed : MFTL
Combat Speed : FTL
Reaction Speed/Reflexes : MFTL
Durability : Solar System level+
Strength : Unknown

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Ki blasts haven't been shown to travel faster than light. His FTL/ MFTL feats come with fighting on par with 70% beerus
Ki has literally traveled across the universe, outside the universe, and then into a new micro bubble (Supreme Kai's world). This all happened in only a matter of moments. That's factual, so opinion isn't really relevant. Ki CAN be massively faster than light.

Just as the characters themselves get faster and stronger, so do their techniques.
 

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I feel like he should not MFTL stats, just FTL is okay but not MFTL
He's MFTL because Beerus is. He could keep up with Beerus at his 70%. Calcs suggest that Beerus is at least few billion times swifter than the speed of light after the travel speed he accomplished in DBS episode 2, (flew 3/4 the speed of Whis)
 
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Those energsy can't be used as an attack tho. Usually ki attacks of significant strength are rather slow ex. Spirit Bomb/ Orb shaped attacks



The gap between 5-A - 5-C is bigger than the gap between 6-1 and 10-C the gaps get wider as it goes up
Piccolo's beam reached the moon in seconds. That's Relativistic speed feat, scaled of from that the top tiers in DBZ have MFTL ki attacks
 

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Shockwave
First Appearance: Chapter 150
Category: ki manipulation
People: Piccolo Daimao, Piccolo, Cell, Nappa, others
Special Characteristics: This puts into practical use as a technique the shockwave, a wall of air produced when objects move through the atmosphere faster than the speed of sound. Since it doesn’t directly attack with ki, it is not a ki manipulation technique strictly speaking, but it similar to them in that it inflicts large damage on distant opponents. It inflicts damage on the enemy by producing an artificial shockwave through rapid hand movement or the emission of ki. What’s more, it is possible to fire it straight forward without concentrating power. (Daizenshuu 4, p.111)

Fist~
People: Goku
First Appearance: Chapter 171
Special Characteristics: An attack where the fist is pumped with tremendous force, unleashing a shockwave at the opponent. Goku was taught this technique by Kami-sama during his difficult training in the Heavenly Realm. During the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai, he blew Chi Chi out of the ring with this technique.

~From the Entire Body
First Appearance: Chapter 229
People: Vegeta, Majin Buu (good)
Special Characteristics: Emitting ki from the entire body, an intense shockwave annihilates everything around them. Since it consumes a high amount of ki it isn’t used often in battle, and is generally only brought out as a last great attack.

~From the Fingertips
First Appearance: Chapter 302
People: Freeza
Special Characteristics: While making strange noises, he fires bullet-like shockwaves from his fingertips at his opponent. He attacks consecutively, and the opponent is reduced to tatters before they have the time to counterattack. Piccolo fell victim to this attack.
Their striking speed is only supersonic it was shown in BoG and Revival of F they caused shockwaves with their blows. Reflexes are nowhere near MFTL.
 
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Destructive capacity : Multi Solar System level+
Travel speed : MFTL
Combat Speed : FTL
Reaction Speed/Reflexes : MFTL
Durability : Solar System level+
Strength : Unknown

Do you guys have suggestions so I could update the stats?
Well Fat Buu wasa confirmed Universe Buster and for all buus in dbz it has been explicitly stated theu can cause destruction on a universal level. This is very plausible as super Buu could create dimensional rifts. Beerus was at a time weaker than Buu but he was still God of Destruction with enough power to wipe out the kaoishin realm.
The kaoishin realm is a mini universe/dimension bigger than a quadrant of the mortal universe. I believe they were Solar level far before cell as cooler said he could destroy the sun,the spirit bomb that failed to kill Frieza was powered by four suns(king kai noted how suns are assets to spirit bombs). In Friezas first form he could destroy a planet with ten times earth's gravity and his final form is nearly two hundred times stronger in the namek saga so cooler saying he could destroy a sun is plausible. Cell simply had an attack with a area of effect that matched the solar system but its potency is likely far beyond and could likely destroy more if the universe was condensed. Id switch Gokus flight and combat speed as ge can react wayyy faster than his flying speed(likely due to popos training) Gotenks was the first to show lightspeed travel but piccolo showed light speed attacks in early z.Broly ravaged a quadrant of the universe with less than super perfect cells power and its obvious he destroyed solar systems. In the guide book it shows how the universe is formed similar to ours but it jusy has different terminology.
Galaxy refers to quadrant but there are still "countless galaxies" in each quadrant. Kid Buu was at least able to wipe out two quardants as Beerus could destroy the kaoishin realm. At most kid buu could destroy the whole universe as elder kaoishin said that if buu wasn't beat he'd make the universe go "pop" . i have all the scans on my phone and i do constant research so please take my word for it. If kid buu can't destroy the universe Buuhan definitely can.
Now time to use all this to show how strong Goku is.
Gotenks moved ftl before the guidebook said he surpassed vegeta and co. And its obvious he reacts immensely faster. Gotenks improved in the time chamber and his ss3 form is child plays to Gohan.
Vegito made buuhan (someone who spanks kid buu the speculated universe buster) look like a child with a fraction of his true power but still would lose to suppressed Beerus.
Ssg Goku contended with a Beerus who shows way more power than needed to defeat Vegito and now Goku is greater than 70% Beerus. Atleast70 times stronger than universal threats and dimension rifters.
Concentrated attacks are yhe strongest so i think its bad to measure dbz power with area of effect as weakened frieza popped earth like a balloon but stronger attacks only left craters. When gotenks and buu ripped through dimensions it shouldve been obvious universal claims were plausible. Using the fact thst the kaoishin dimension is almost as big as a fourth of the universe but Super buu isnt nearly as strong as a tenty of beerus's current strength after training for millions of years with whis should make it obvious beerus is over universe busters in combat. The fact that new universes are being introduced should make it obvious. Namek was introduced after a planet buster was and the kaioshin dimension was introduced after buu was introduced. Beerus can wipe out the after life and mortal universe.
Goku is far beyond multi solar and past dimension rifting in attack potency his area of effect is unknown as goku doesn't aim to destroy.
Superman took am attack strong as 15 suns and it didn't destroy the moon so its obvious attacks can be a certain level without much catastrophe especially with martial arts.
Before anybody brings up the forty ton incident bukujitsu makes lifting nearly impossible according to the guidebook and Gokus bukujitsu was known as inferior to piccolo(who could fly with weights and goku could barely fly but goku was still stronger)
Goku before the god boost had enough force extered through his fist to displace a large portion of king kais planet with ten times gravity and condensed mass. When people on dbz forums did calculation they put his strength at white star level.




Ki Potency:post Universal/dimension rifting
Ki area of effect: At least greater than Broly's which could take many galaxies throughout a "galaxy"(quadrant).
Speed:Beerus's speed feat in super where he appeared behind a gas giant after destroying a planet was calculated to be 500 times the speed of light which makes sense if you think about the difference between him and Gotenks. Goku is likely above this as beerus was likely suppressed.
Combat speed/reaction speed:Massively faster than his travel speed as when goku was mach 28 in saiyan saga but piccolo and him had attacks that could near instantly reach space with pls less than a thousand.
Goku punched whis's hair in rof manga and it was referred to as a "close one" from tge fastest creature in the universe ,Whis.


This is all plausible as Gotenks was a dimension rifter faster than light who could compete with a universal destroyer or atleast dimension destroyer.
Goku is tiers above.
Unless he lets his gaurd down

Durability:Only post dimension rifters and Gods can hurt him now. Its better to use potency than area of effect.
 

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Their striking speed is only supersonic it was shown in BoG and Revival of F they caused shockwaves with their blows. Reflexes are nowhere near MFTL.
Shock waves were shown in z . Goku reacted to cells beam that was ftl. They've been causing shock waves . in the namek saga goku abd frieza were tumbling mountains.
Really bruh i can see youre here to spout bs. I got almost yhe complete manga on my phone as well as statements from the guide books so its easy to read your bs
 

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Ki blasts haven't been shown to travel faster than light. His FTL/ MFTL feats come with fighting on par with 70% beerus
No they come from fighting cell piccolo and frieza.
Piccolo blasts the moon in a panel.
Cell blast reach far away from earth right afrer goku reacts to it
Goku punches friezas planet destroyer into space where it goes and in seconds destroys a planet.
After images is a good example to.
 
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Well Fat Buu wasa confirmed Universe Buster and for all buus in dbz it has been explicitly stated theu can cause destruction on a universal level. This is very plausible as super Buu could create dimensional rifts. Beerus was at a time weaker than Buu but he was still God of Destruction with enough power to wipe out the kaoishin realm.
The kaoishin realm is a mini universe/dimension bigger than a quadrant of the mortal universe. I believe they were Solar level far before cell as cooler said he could destroy the sun,the spirit bomb that failed to kill Frieza was powered by four suns(king kai noted how suns are assets to spirit bombs). In Friezas first form he could destroy a planet with ten times earth's gravity and his final form is nearly two hundred times stronger in the namek saga so cooler saying he could destroy a sun is plausible. Cell simply had an attack with a area of effect that matched the solar system but its potency is likely far beyond and could likely destroy more if the universe was condensed. Id switch Gokus flight and combat speed as ge can react wayyy faster than his flying speed(likely due to popos training) Gotenks was the first to show lightspeed travel but piccolo showed light speed attacks in early z.Broly ravaged a quadrant of the universe with less than super perfect cells power and its obvious he destroyed solar systems. In the guide book it shows how the universe is formed similar to ours but it jusy has different terminology.
Galaxy refers to quadrant but there are still "countless galaxies" in each quadrant. Kid Buu was at least able to wipe out two quardants as Beerus could destroy the kaoishin realm. At most kid buu could destroy the whole universe as elder kaoishin said that if buu wasn't beat he'd make the universe go "pop" . i have all the scans on my phone and i do constant research so please take my word for it. If kid buu can't destroy the universe Buuhan definitely can.
Now time to use all this to show how strong Goku is.
Gotenks moved ftl before the guidebook said he surpassed vegeta and co. And its obvious he reacts immensely faster. Gotenks improved in the time chamber and his ss3 form is child plays to Gohan.
Vegito made buuhan (someone who spanks kid buu the speculated universe buster) look like a child with a fraction of his true power but still would lose to suppressed Beerus.
Ssg Goku contended with a Beerus who shows way more power than needed to defeat Vegito and now Goku is greater than 70% Beerus. Atleast70 times stronger than universal threats and dimension rifters.
Concentrated attacks are yhe strongest so i think its bad to measure dbz power with area of effect as weakened frieza popped earth like a balloon but stronger attacks only left craters. When gotenks and buu ripped through dimensions it shouldve been obvious universal claims were plausible. Using the fact thst the kaoishin dimension is almost as big as a fourth of the universe but Super buu isnt nearly as strong as a tenty of beerus's current strength after training for millions of years with whis should make it obvious beerus is over universe busters in combat. The fact that new universes are being introduced should make it obvious. Namek was introduced after a planet buster was and the kaioshin dimension was introduced after buu was introduced. Beerus can wipe out the after life and mortal universe.
Goku is far beyond multi solar and past dimension rifting in attack potency his area of effect is unknown as goku doesn't aim to destroy.
Superman took am attack strong as 15 suns and it didn't destroy the moon so its obvious attacks can be a certain level without much catastrophe especially with martial arts.
Before anybody brings up the forty ton incident bukujitsu makes lifting nearly impossible according to the guidebook and Gokus bukujitsu was known as inferior to piccolo(who could fly with weights and goku could barely fly but goku was still stronger)
Goku before the god boost had enough force extered through his fist to displace a large portion of king kais planet with ten times gravity and condensed mass. When people on dbz forums did calculation they put his strength at white star level.




Ki Potency:post Universal/dimension rifting
Ki area of effect: At least greater than Broly's which could take many galaxies throughout a "galaxy"(quadrant).
Speed:Beerus's speed feat in super where he appeared behind a gas giant after destroying a planet was calculated to be 500 times the speed of light which makes sense if you think about the difference between him and Gotenks. Goku is likely above this as beerus was likely suppressed.
Combat speed/reaction speed:Massively faster than his travel speed as when goku was mach 28 in saiyan saga but piccolo and him had attacks that could near instantly reach space with pls less than a thousand.
Goku punched whis's hair in rof manga and it was referred to as a "close one" from tge fastest creature in the universe ,Whis.


This is all plausible as Gotenks was a dimension rifter faster than light who could compete with a universal destroyer or atleast dimension destroyer.
Goku is tiers above.
Unless he lets his gaurd down

Durability:Only post dimension rifters and Gods can hurt him now. Its better to use potency than area of effect.
Care to give me all your DB facts(Manga and DB). It seem like you're talking out of your ass here.

Other thing, Movies(Cooler, Broly, Janimba etc) is non-canon.

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Because of this you think the realm is quadrant size bla, bla, bla........

And that universe system only can be apply for DB story and not Natural universe story(its including universe physic) like Marvel, DC etc where they doesnt have any specific/identified form of existance

Shaking the realm(Afterlife realm, Kai realm etc) from power up do not mean all DB characters that able to performed it could bust the universe.

And not all Dimension is size of natural universe especially in fiction. Franklin Richard can create a small universe(Pocket dimension) on the palm of his hand but still a universe

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Wait, if punches create shockwaves then they're only hypersonic? Bruh, I guess then Superman has the same combat speed right? I literally proved why their reflexes are MFTL, same way Goku has shown being able to hit Beerus in combat so that's definitely MFTL considering Beerus has MFTL reaction speed.
 

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And by that logic no one in fiction is faster than light because going beyond light speed would show negative
effects in the entire planet to relativity
 

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Care to give me all your DB facts(Manga and DB). It seem like you're talking out of your ass here.

Other thing, Movies(Cooler, Broly, Janimba etc) is non-canon.
Beerus is definitely Galaxy+ level, we don't know whether he could one shot the Kaioshin realm or not, so its all speculation. Buu should be solar system+ level. Dimensional feats are unquantifiable, and the scene where he was going to destroy the universe was a filler.
 

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Beerus is definitely Galaxy+ level, we don't know whether he could one shot the Kaioshin realm or not, so its all speculation. Buu should be solar system+ level. Dimensional feats are unquantifiable, and the scene where he was going to destroy the universe was a filler.
Yes I know. But that guy post I replied to is full of BS.
 
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