Nukite>V4 Susanoo

[NarutoX28]

They fell forward holding their own jutsu and Naruto used that knowledge to make an inference that he had to use his own technique in order to force Raikage to wound himself.

I mean seriously. You can't honestly think that that jutsu wasn't the Bijuudama when the 3rd can casually slice through his tentacles.

 

[Transcendence]

A bigger attack won't be more effective against a bigger defense just because of size. My point was never that Nukite would destroy Susanoo. It was that it can pierce through the defense and kill the user. A focused attack will have a higher damage per unit ratio. Here is a picture of what I mean. Numbers represent durability per unit.

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Well I must have missed the point of the thread. Yes it should be able to pierce. There's few things in this manga that it can't pierce. Still useless against anyone who actually has a V4 anyways. I assumed that the implication this thread made was that Nukite as a whole would defeat a V4 Susano'o as a whole. It still can't. Simply cracking through it or damaging it IMO will not do much considering it puts the Sandaime in a horrible position. You should have named the thread to "Proving why Nukite can pierce defences up to V4 Susano'o durability".

 

[EZQ]

No there isnt.
No there isnt.

No

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, if he could remember that the 3rd cut off all his tails then he would have remembered a TBB not working on the 3rd.

Yes there is. If there wasn't, then akatsuki would have gotten stomped every time.

bold: And that's exactly what he did. He questioned if it was his TBB that hurt the raikage, and then realized it wasn't. So there was in fact a TBB on that fight, and the Hachibi remembers it wasn't what hurt him.

Do you really think Hachibi didn't use TBB? Seriously? Its the only atack he has, lol.

 

[Unorthodox]

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In this thread I will explain why One Fingered Nukite will pierce through MS Sasuke/Itachi's V4 Susanoos (discounting Yata).

One Fingered Nukite

Nukite's best feat is piercing through the Third Raikage. It managed to injure the Raikage on two occasions. Once when he was Edo, the attack went straight through him and

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due to the damage he received.

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The first time, Raikage wounded himself with his own jutsu and caused a permanent scar on his chest.

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Piercing straight through his own body is an incredible feat in itself, considering FRS was unable to do so, making Nukite a stronger attack than KCM Naruto's Fuuton: Rasenshuriken.

Another feat of Nukite is that it was able to cut off all of Bee's tails at once, stated in the middle right panel below. But what's interesting about this page is that Bee states both him and the Third Raikage were exhausted when Raikage got injured. The only way bijuu can get exhausted is if it's using chakra taxing techniques. This heavily implied Bee used Bijuu Dama in his fight with Raikage.

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FRS vs Nukite

Nukite caused Edo Raikage's body to completely disintegrate upon it piercing him, whereas FRS was

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. Not only that, but Rasenshuriken is a powerful wind technique which has an elemental advantage against lightning, yet it still failed against Raikage cloaked with his raiton shroud, though FRS was capable of removing the armour because of the elemental advantage.

FRS vs Susanoo

As seen here Danzo's Baku enhanced fuuton cut through V3 Susanoo.

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KCM FRS > Base FRS => Danzo's fuuton. Why do I think this? Well for one SM FRS is powerful enough to make an epxlosion bigger than many mountains and very large compared to Nagato's Chibaku Tensei crater:

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You can see how big the CT crater is in this scan:

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That same Chibaku Tensei was broken out of by eight-tailed Kurama.

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Who is weaker than 50% Kurama, which was held down and weakened by FRS.

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Thus we can conclude that FRS is a jutsu much stronger than Danzo's Baku enhanced fuuton. So if Danzo could cut through V3 Susanoo with a slicing attack, FRS would obliterate the whole thing. That puts FRS on par with Kirin, which could also completely destroy V3 Susanoo [

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] but didn't kill the user inside.

If FRS can completely destroy V3 Susanoo, using common sense we can determine that it would do moderate to heavy damage to V4 Susanoo. Nukite is stronger than FRS, which brings me to my last point...

Nukite vs Susanoo

Unlike FRS which disperses energy over the area of a large explosion, Nukite's power is concentrated in an extremely focused attack. Not only that, but it did not have an elemental advantage over Raiton shroud even though FRS did, but Nukite stil managed to succesfully beat the Third Raikage whereas FRS was tanked. Meaning Nukite contains much more raw power than FRS if both used against Susanoo, something without an elemental advantage/disadvantage.

KCM Fuuton: Rasenshuriken already has the capability to do moderate-heavy damage to V4 Susanoo. Nukite would pierce through it completely since:

-It managed to one shot Edo Third Raikage, whereas KCM FRS was tanked- despite FRS having an elemental advantage unlike Nukite.
-Nukite focuses all of its power into one point unlike a big explosion like FRS.

V4 Susanoo does not have the feats to withstand an attack that powerful.

Hell to the no

V4 susanoo armor is big enough to swallow the v3 susanoo whole

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Thats much bigger than the v3 susanoo not to mention much thicker meaning v4 susanoo durability is above that of 2 v3 susanoo's, this FRS = Kirin is the funniest thing i ever heard call me when FRS can 1 shot the uchiha hideout until then sdfu.

Your post was shitty and bias speculation 1 you do not know how much power baku adds. respond to mercer's post with some logic.

Agreed 100%.

Not surprising this coming from the guy who said the 3rd is durable enough to survive a hand squeeze from Rinnegan Sasuke's perfect susanoo

 

[LuckyMan]

I remember making a thread like this last year. Nukite is certainly splitting through most defenses.

I don't know why people like to deny Ay III can tank TBB. Suigestu survived Gyukis standard TBB. I'm not saying anyone more durable than Suigestu can survive it because he had a unique circumstance but its not farfetched at all to think Ay III tanked them, especially as Beans and the Manga pointed to the evidence.

 

[RedRobin]

I remember making a thread like this last year. Nukite is certainly splitting through most defenses.

I don't know why people like to deny Ay III can tank TBB. Suigestu survived Gyukis standard TBB. I'm not saying anyone more durable than Suigestu can survive it because he had a unique circumstance but its not farfetched at all to think Ay III tanked them, especially as Beans and the Manga pointed to the evidence.

Suigestu was water and he was completely destroyed by the laser.

Except there is no evidence he survived a TBB as I have already explained.

Hidan and Kakuzu took down the two tails, but I assure you they die from TBB. Just because someone battled a bijuu does not mean they can survive a TBB.

 

[Unorthodox]

I remember making a thread like this last year. Nukite is certainly splitting through most defenses.

I don't know why people like to deny Ay III can tank TBB. Suigestu survived Gyukis standard TBB. I'm not saying anyone more durable than Suigestu can survive it because he had a unique circumstance but its not farfetched at all to think Ay III tanked them, especially as Beans and the Manga pointed to the evidence.

FRS ****ed him up badly

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a Bijuu dama is atleast 6-7 tiers above FRS as it vaporizes mountains FRS having the nature advantage does not close the gap in power between the latter

Suigestu was water and he was completely destroyed by the laser.

Except there is no evidence he survived a TBB as I have already explained.

Hidan and Kakuzu took down the two tails, but I assure you they die from TBB. Just because someone battled a bijuu does not mean they can survive a TBB.

right Kisame took down the 5 tails without a touch same for deidara in the 3 tails

 

[Apêx1]

Using feats only, it is impossible for Nukite to pierce v4 because FRS does not damage v4. Although I believe Nukite would have the potential to shit on it had it been a canon occurrence.

 

[New Dawn]

yata breaks the poor man's finger.

 

[Rιver]

So now because Kakuzu fought Two-Tails he tanked TBB? Literally every Akatsuki member has fought a Bijuu once.

The problem here is you guys assume too much. Nothing in your basis is concrete and is easily arguable.

But w/e.

 

[KidGamer65]

:lol

Regardless of whether or not he tanked Bijuu Dama. FRS failed to do anything serious to the Raikage while Nukite ran him through like a hot knife through butter. Thus anything that FRS would damage, Nukite would pierce it with little difficulty. V4 can't tank FRS with zero damage, so Nukite runs it through. Simple as that. Point of the thread remains unchanged.

 

[Rιver]

:lol

Regardless of whether or not he tanked Bijuu Dama. FRS failed to do anything serious to the Raikage while Nukite ran him through like a hot knife through butter. Thus anything that FRS would damage, Nukite would pierce it with little difficulty. V4 can't tank FRS with zero damage, so Nukite runs it through. Simple as that. Point of the thread remains unchanged.

His shroud was destroyed and he was knocked out for a few seconds. That's not something he can tank on conjunction then.

Why would V4 get even moderate damage from FRS?

 

[KidGamer65]

And while I'm not saying that he tanked Bijuu Dama..

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Hmmm, I wonder what jutsu that was?

 

[Rιver]

Doesn't mean he tanked it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Doesn't mean he tanked it.

Reasoning? :lol

His shroud was destroyed and he was knocked out for a few seconds. That's not something he can tank on conjunction then.

Why would V4 get even moderate damage from FRS?

You do realize that none of that changes anything I said right? Whether or not he can tank repeated hits doesn't matter.

Because FRS is strong enough to completely obliterate V3, though now that I think about it, there is one piece of evidence one can use to say that FRS wouldn't damage a V4. Gaara and the kage bodyguards used a combined attack that I'm pretty sure Ribcage Susanoo couldn't survive, but V2 tanked with zero difficulty. V4 is more durable than V3 and is large enough to completely cover it, so it's possible that the same thing would happen. What would obliterate V3 does nothing to V4.

Not conclusive evidence though, not to mention Nukite still pierced through him while the FRS w/ the elemental advantage did nothing.

 

[Rιver]

Reasoning? :lol

Using a jutsu =/= it always hitting the target. Raikage was noted to be fast, and he could have evaded them even to the point he was not on epicentre, like Sasuke did and like how Deva Path did.

You do realize that none of that changes anything I said right? Whether or not he can tank repeated hits doesn't matter.

Because FRS is strong enough to completely obliterate V3, though now that I think about it, there is one piece of evidence one can use to say that FRS wouldn't damage a V4. Gaara and the kage bodyguards used a combined attack that I'm pretty sure Ribcage Susanoo couldn't survive, but V2 tanked with zero difficulty. V4 is more durable than V3 and is large enough to completely cover it, so it's possible that the same thing would happen. What would obliterate V3 does nothing to V4.

Not conclusive evidence though, not to mention Nukite still pierced through him while the FRS w/ the elemental advantage did nothing.

Reasoning why FRS completely obliterates V3?

 

[KidGamer65]

Using a jutsu =/= it always hitting the target. Raikage was noted to be fast, and he could have evaded them even to the point he was not on epicentre, like Sasuke did and like how Deva Path did.

So they both fall on their jutsu, yet somehow Raikage (who has falling at this point) evades the Mountain sized explosion that is literally going off right in front of his face? :lol. I pray that you aren't serious.

Reasoning why FRS completely obliterates V3?

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1. Chidori does

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to giant boulders.

2. Rasengan=Chidori.

3. Chou Oodama Rasengan is dozens of times larger than Rasengan. Thus it'd do the same to a rock that is dozens of times larger (nearing small Mountain/Large Hill level) (by the same amount as Rasengan to Chou Oodama) than that small boulder.

4. Add the Senjutsu Boost.

5 Multiply that by 25, since that's how many Chou Oodama Rasengan Kurama tanked.

6. FRS did much more damage to him. That's Kirin level considering it's already far stronger than an attack that can put a hole

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in a rock nearing small Mountain Level+Senjutsu (Big Boost)x25, and it's explosion was larger than a Mountain.

7. Then there's the explosion it made when Naruto used it on Pain for the third time.

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FRS is far above Baku Fuuton. (Which put a giant hole in V3)

 

[Rιver]

So they both fall on their jutsu, yet somehow Raikage (who has falling at this point) evades the Mountain sized explosion that is literally going off right in front of his face? :lol. I pray that you aren't serious.

Are you saying Hachibi formed the TBB and it blew up when they fell? Because TBB doesn't always blow up if you don't concentrate/put it off yourself.

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1. Chidori does

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to giant boulders.

2. Rasengan=Chidori.

3. Chou Oodama Rasengan is dozens of times larger than Rasengan. Thus it'd do the same to a rock that is dozens of times larger (nearing small Mountain/Large Hill level) (by the same amount as Rasengan to Chou Oodama) than that small boulder.

4. Add the Senjutsu Boost.

5 Multiply that by 25, since that's how many Chou Oodama Rasengan Kurama tanked.

6. FRS did much more damage to him. That's Kirin level considering it's already far stronger than an attack that can put a hole

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in a rock nearing small Mountain Level+Senjutsu (Big Boost)x25, and it's explosion was larger than a Mountain.

7. Then there's the explosion it made when Naruto used it on Pain for the third time.

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FRS is far above Baku Fuuton. (Which put a giant hole in V3)

I can agree on everything except the crater scan, that was rubble and dust flying not the actual explosion. If you put a bomb inside a house, it will be visibly larger than putting it on empty land but the destruction capability stays the same. Just like how Deidaras explosions are greater in water.

 

[KidGamer65]

Are you saying Hachibi formed the TBB and it blew up when they fell? Because TBB doesn't always blow up if you don't concentrate/put it off yourself.

Yeah, that's the main reason why I'm super skeptical about the whole thing.

I can agree on everything except the crater scan, that was rubble and dust flying not the actual explosion. If you put a bomb inside a house, it will be visibly larger than putting it on empty land but the destruction capability stays the same. Just like how Deidaras explosions are greater in water.

Pretty sure we had this discussion, but that looks nothing like dust, and there is no rubble in that explosion. Rubble would be pieces of earth. None shown in that scan. The explosion of a bomb looks no different from inside a house or outside when you ignore the actual dust and the actual rubble. Underwater explosions are something entirely different.

 

[Rιver]

Yeah, that's the main reason why I'm super skeptical about the whole thing.

Pretty sure we had this discussion, but that looks nothing like dust, and there is no rubble in that explosion. Rubble would be pieces of earth. None shown in that scan. The explosion of a bomb looks no different from inside a house or outside when you ignore the actual dust and the actual rubble. Underwater explosions are something entirely different.

We didn't. That was about the Kurama + 12 BD.

How do you not see it? There's 5 giant boulders flying from the explosion. It's obviously rubble and dust, and the FRS' actual explosion is much, much smaller for obvious reasons. You can't even see it.