[Tier] Fleet Admiral Sakazuki vs Gear 4th Luffy

[ssjelf]

Akainu mid diff. Gear 4 is unlimited but Luffy's haki and stamina isn't. Also if/when Akainu tags Luffy it will do heavy damage unlike Doflamingo. Luffy will still be able to tag Akainu plenty and Akainu will feel the blows. Luffy will force Akainu to be serious.



Lol your post contradicts itself. Doflamingo is not as strong as an Admiral, for if he were.....Luffy would be able to beat Akainu given unlimited G4.

Also Luffy might not be top tier, but Luffy during G4 sure as hell is.


I keep seeing this ridiculous comparison. Mihawk's slashes are almost entirely irrelevant. Jozu is built for cutting attacks, its the same with Mr.1, he said swordsman couldn't beat him. Luffy would've handled him much easier than Zoro could because he was immune to cutting attacks (those who couldn't cut steel).

Not even WB could replicate the feat Jozu did. He would probably need to fend it off with a punch or his Bisento. Jozu > Slashes. Blunt force with strong enough Haki should do damage to Jozu.

Haki is the question here is it not, is his haki greater than jozu? I dont think so. And I dunno what you think diamond is but it is irrelevant if it is slashing or pounding attacks, its simply doesnt break. It is a manga so it can be broken but not by luffys current level. You are sitting heere telling me WB cant replicate it then in the same breath tell me luffy can break it... ridiculous. Diamond is diamond wheteher to slashes or to punches, this isnt like haki that is strong to one but weak to another.

 

[ssjelf]

What he did was dodge their strike even though it somewhat hurt

Reread the scan, he turned into lava, he got hit, his haki let him remain intangible gg rekt

 

[ToshiZO]

Haki is the question here is it not, is his haki greater than jozu? I dont think so. And I dunno what you think diamond is but it is irrelevant if it is slashing or pounding attacks, its simply doesnt break. It is a manga so it can be broken but not by luffys current level. You are sitting heere telling me WB cant replicate it then in the same breath tell me luffy can break it... ridiculous. Diamond is diamond wheteher to slashes or to punches, this isnt like haki that is strong to one but weak to another.

WB probably couldn't even replicate this feat

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. Doesn't mean much. Luffy just beat Doflamingo, Jozu is within reach. Greater Haki isnt the only way to get to an opponent. Doflamingo himself had greater haki than Luffy yet Luffy in G4 still overpowered him. A combination of strength and Haki should suffice.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

WB probably couldn't even replicate this feat

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. Doesn't mean much. Luffy just beat Doflamingo, Jozu is within reach. Greater Haki isnt the only way to get to an opponent. Doflamingo himself had greater haki than Luffy yet Luffy in G4 still overpowered him. A combination of strength and Haki should suffice.

A casual clash that even Daz Bones can stop......yeah I'm sure WB can swipe it away with his bisento.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Akainu wins without receiving a scratch. G4 is overrated and Luffy couldn't beat a half dead Doffy with it(without ALOT of help).

Doffy still dodged and attacked Luffy while in G4 and that was before DF awakening.

How did this thread go past this post?

 

[ToshiZO]

A casual clash that even Daz Bones can stop......yeah I'm sure WB can swipe it away with his bisento.

Obviously. What I meant by replicating it was he couldn't shield the attack with his body in that situation. Further showing some DF's simply give an advantage over certain types of attacks, in this case Steel and Diamond > Cutting

How did this thread go past this post?

If indeed a healthy Doflamingo would be able to handle G4 much easier, then yes Akainu wins without getting a scratch. But if a healthy Doflamingo doesn't make a significant difference, then no Akainu would have to be serious and he would most definitely get scratched.

 

[ssjelf]

How did this thread go past this post?

Isnt it obvious, we are discussing difficulty not the winner. And then some ppl wanna discuss akainus ability to stay intangible and if lufffy can even hit him and other brought up jozu and how somehow he didnt tank the slash he did and how that means luffy can beat him idk.

 

[ssjelf]

WB probably couldn't even replicate this feat

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. Doesn't mean much. Luffy just beat Doflamingo, Jozu is within reach. Greater Haki isnt the only way to get to an opponent. Doflamingo himself had greater haki than Luffy yet Luffy in G4 still overpowered him. A combination of strength and Haki should suffice.

Luffy needed help to beat doffy lol , and a heck of a lot of help at that. And I am saying luffy doesnt have enough of either strength or haki. His strength hardly factors into it as diamond is nearly unbreakable and luffy biggest attack wouldnt even scratch diamond. Factor in jozus haki and really luffy hasnt got anything on him except speed which jozu still has a surprising amount of. Jozus defense is simply too high to break without better haki regardless of strength. Mihawks slash shows the durability of diamond as a whole. Tanking a slash aimed to measure the distance between WB and Mihawk is an extremely impressive feat. You simply cant write it off as diamond simply being impervious to slashes. Lol no, diamond is simply impervious to anything outside of the largest scale attacks and haki.

 

[ToshiZO]

Luffy needed help to beat doffy lol , and a heck of a lot of help at that. And I am saying luffy doesnt have enough of either strength or haki. His strength hardly factors into it as diamond is nearly unbreakable and luffy biggest attack wouldnt even scratch diamond. Factor in jozus haki and really luffy hasnt got anything on him except speed which jozu still has a surprising amount of. Jozus defense is simply too high to break without better haki regardless of strength. Mihawks slash shows the durability of diamond as a whole. Tanking a slash aimed to measure the distance between WB and Mihawk is an extremely impressive feat. You simply cant write it off as diamond simply being impervious to slashes. Lol no, diamond is simply impervious to anything outside of the largest scale attacks and haki.

Ofcourse its an incredible feat. Still a feat that no one else can replicate its exclusive to Jozu. That doesn't mean Jozu is unbreakable. Essentially Jozu is a better version of Daz Bonez. He is a swordsmans weakness just like Daz was (except now you need to be able to cut diamond instead of steel to overcome him which is in GOAT territory). Using a cutting attack to measure his defense isn't the best method. Luffy will be able to hurt him plenty in G4. He nearly changed the entire topogrophy of Dressrosa, heavily doubt he has trouble hurting Jozu.

Using feats here and there from the war also aren't saying much. Its like me saying

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tanked a named attack (similar attack as the one Aokiji got hit with) from his so what makes you think he can put Luffy down?

But obviously I won't use that, I'll just use power scaling to tell me Jozu isn't far off from Doflamingo.

 

[ssjelf]

Ofcourse its an incredible feat. Still a feat that no one else can replicate its exclusive to Jozu. That doesn't mean Jozu is unbreakable. Essentially Jozu is a better version of Daz Bonez. He is a swordsmans weakness just like Daz was (except now you need to be able to cut diamond instead of steel to overcome him which is in GOAT territory). Using a cutting attack to measure his defense isn't the best method. Luffy will be able to hurt him plenty in G4. He nearly changed the entire topogrophy of Dressrosa, heavily doubt he has trouble hurting Jozu.

Using feats here and there from the war also aren't saying much. Its like me saying

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tanked a named attack (similar attack as the one Aokiji got hit with) from his so what makes you think he can put Luffy down?

But obviously I won't use that, I'll just use power scaling to tell me Jozu isn't far off from Doflamingo.

I agree he isnt far of from doffy but I will again say that luffy needed a lot of hellp to beat doffy so even if jozu isnt far off from doffy, and luffy isnt too far behind doffy, that still makes jozu a ways off from luffy. Also only luffy strongest attacks changed dressosa, so lets say those can hurt jozu, thats like 3 attacks he can use and remember the time limit, it basically means jozu only gets medium damage total.

 

[ToshiZO]

I agree he isnt far of from doffy but I will again say that luffy needed a lot of hellp to beat doffy so even if jozu isnt far off from doffy, and luffy isnt too far behind doffy, that still makes jozu a ways off from luffy.

Never disagreed with this. Jozu beats Luffy as of now handily. Doflamingo as well. My issue was that Luffy will be able to break through Jozu's defense in G4. If he can't even do that than Jozu might as well be above Admiral level, since I don't see anyone in One Piece left being able to take G4 hits without taking some sort of damage.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

How did this thread go past this post?

What can you say? People always want to be right.

Obviously. What I meant by replicating it was he couldn't shield the attack with his body in that situation. Further showing some DF's simply give an advantage over certain types of attacks, in this case Steel and Diamond > Cutting



If indeed a healthy Doflamingo would be able to handle G4 much easier, then yes Akainu wins without getting a scratch. But if a healthy Doflamingo doesn't make a significant difference, then no Akainu would have to be serious and he would most definitely get scratched.

Didn't Mihawk easily cut through Daz's steel body with one quick swing? I'm pretty sure Daz would get cut by the slash Jozu cut.

Even so, Jozu cuts covers his body in diamond. He doesn't become it so its pretty much just armor. Question is that can shockwaves or vibrations travel through the diamond and hurt Jozu? Even if I have a strong shield, a strong blow would still press the shield against my arm and chest, causing damage and send me flying.

 

[ssjelf]

Never disagreed with this. Jozu beats Luffy as of now handily. Doflamingo as well. My issue was that Luffy will be able to break through Jozu's defense in G4. If he can't even do that than Jozu might as well be above Admiral level, since I don't see anyone in One Piece left being able to take G4 hits without taking some sort of damage.

I just think its a fight luffy needs better haki to win at regardless of his brute strength

 

[ToshiZO]

Didn't Mihawk easily cut through Daz's steel body with one quick swing? I'm pretty sure Daz would get cut by the slash Jozu cut.

Even so, Jozu cuts covers his body in diamond. He doesn't become it so its pretty much just armor. Question is that can shockwaves or vibrations travel through the diamond and hurt Jozu? Even if I have a strong shield, a strong blow would still press the shield against my arm and chest, causing damage and send me flying.

Of course Daz would get cut lol. He would most likely die from that attack, there would be nothing left of him.

And yea Jozu is still a beast.

I just think its a fight luffy needs better haki to win at regardless of his brute strength

Possibly, though imo he needs better mastery of G4 to be able to win.

 

[KesOnFire]

Hmmm right now admiral wins but soon Luffy will rekt him.

 

[Yubel]

Reread the scan, he turned into lava, he got hit, his haki let him remain intangible gg rekt

That's not how haki works you fanboy.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Ofcourse its an incredible feat. Still a feat that no one else can replicate its exclusive to Jozu. That doesn't mean Jozu is unbreakable. Essentially Jozu is a better version of Daz Bonez. He is a swordsmans weakness just like Daz was (except now you need to be able to cut diamond instead of steel to overcome him which is in GOAT territory). Using a cutting attack to measure his defense isn't the best method. Luffy will be able to hurt him plenty in G4. He nearly changed the entire topogrophy of Dressrosa, heavily doubt he has trouble hurting Jozu.

Using feats here and there from the war also aren't saying much. Its like me saying

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tanked a named attack (similar attack as the one Aokiji got hit with) from his so what makes you think he can put Luffy down?

But obviously I won't use that, I'll just use power scaling to tell me Jozu isn't far off from Doflamingo.

I believe doffy is stronger then Jozu but mainly cuz of how he fights doffy already in cannon caught Jozu in parasite sat on his back had a conversation with crocodile and then had an altercation with crocodile. ( I believe he's stronger because Jozu hasn't been shown to break out of parasite ) but to say luffy can beat him doesn't make since

Luffy first of all did not beat doffy in no way shape or form by himself so until he does that you shouldn't use that ruling... And one piece powers and abilities have too many variables to say oh one person (A)is stronger then this one or close to strength with this one (B), and then this person (C)beat person A (with a ****ton of help) so he should be able to beat person B

Doffy style of fighting is way different from luffys luffy is smash em up whereas doffy has a more slice and dice as well as intelligent fighting style (not including devil fruit variants )

Smash em up is not gonna work on diamond -.- especially if ur haki is weaker then the person you claimed luffy defeated (doffy strings that had haki on them slice through gear fourth luffy shoulder on second go round)


The only time that A>B>C logic works is in dbz that's it

 

[ushasam]

Akainu mid deff Luffy. The pole said 'unlimited G4'

 

[ssjelf]

That's not how haki works you fanboy.

Lol this entire thread disagrees with you

 

[ToshiZO]

I believe doffy is stronger then Jozu but mainly cuz of how he fights doffy already in cannon caught Jozu in parasite sat on his back had a conversation with crocodile and then had an altercation with crocodile. ( I believe he's stronger because Jozu hasn't been shown to break out of parasite ) but to say luffy can beat him doesn't make since

Luffy first of all did not beat doffy in no way shape or form by himself so until he does that you shouldn't use that ruling... And one piece powers and abilities have too many variables to say oh one person (A)is stronger then this one or close to strength with this one (B), and then this person (C)beat person A (with a ****ton of help) so he should be able to beat person B

Doffy style of fighting is way different from luffys luffy is smash em up whereas doffy has a more slice and dice as well as intelligent fighting style (not including devil fruit variants )

Smash em up is not gonna work on diamond -.- especially if ur haki is weaker then the person you claimed luffy defeated (doffy strings that had haki on them slice through gear fourth luffy shoulder on second go round)


The only time that A>B>C logic works is in dbz that's it

Sorry dude but I'll have to disagree A>B>C logic generally applies in One Piece. This isn't naruto with the different elements and tactics. Or HxH for that matter. Oda has generally ignored all the intangibles in his fights.

And while Jozu might be one of the few ABC logic might not apply to... Doflamingo was getting absolutely trashed out there, it was a one sided beatdown. Jozu is not far enough from Doffy for Doffy to get absolutely stomped by something and Jozu to escape without damage.

Also its Jozu that has the advantage over Doflamingo who has piercing attacks. I see Jozu beating Doflamingo moreso than the other way around.