Healthy Nagato vs 5 Kage

[KidGamer65]

He's not going to be 5 meters away :lol

He doesn't need to be 5 meters away to blitz. 20 is more than enough.

Also prettty sure it was used again and Madara was able to turn around in time

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Why does Madara even need to react if he tanked it....he clearly didn't even bother moving after he saw him strike Mu.

1. Ay is flying there. That's not Shunshin, thus it's not his top speed.
2. Madara noticed them after he got hit.
3. Madara being able to tank isn't proof that he chose not to react.
4. Madara is far faster than Nagato, so stop mentioning Madara as if Madara reacting proves that Nagato can.

He can ST right when Onoki gets on his back, and if their traveling towards Nagato he's going to get hit.

If he uses ST while Onoki gets on his back, then he pushes them back while they are stationary. Not to mention after it's been used, he kills them during the cool down.

Also while i'm quoting you, question what does Naruka path do in Nagato? Could it possibly heal him from certain wounds as it does with the paths?

It logically should be able to. Makes no sense for it only to work on dead bodies but not on living bodies.

 

[Zexion~]

He doesn't need to be 5 meters away to blitz. 20 is more than enough.

I'm not seeing it.

1. Ay is flying there. That's not Shunshin, thus it's not his top speed.
2. Madara noticed them after he got hit.
3. Madara being able to tank isn't proof that he chose not to react.
4. Madara is far faster than Nagato, so stop mentioning Madara as if Madara reacting proves that Nagato can.

He's not faster in Susano'o :lol especially not faster than using ST.

If he uses ST while Onoki gets on his back, then he pushes them back while they are stationary. Not to mention after it's been used, he kills them during the cool down.

No as he'd throw Onoki off with the force .-. Then summons shit to get in the way, or then takes the chance to use CT, don't recall it taking very long in his healthy form.

It logically should be able to. Makes no sense for it only to work on dead bodies but not on living bodies.

Word.

 

[EZQ]

Nagato gets shitblitzed by Onoki+Ay combo.

Madara had trouble with v1 Ay's speed. Let alone v2 ay, and don't even mention v2Ay+Onoki's boost. And should i mention Madara >> Nagato in speed?

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not seeing it.

Just how I'm not seeing feats for Nagato reacting to someone far faster than V2 Ay from 20m when Madara had issues, and when Minato barely reacted from half that distance.

He's not faster in Susano'o :lol especially not faster than using ST.

Madara's reaction speed does not change when he's in Susanoo. Stop citing Madara's poor/failed reaction as evidence that Nagato himself can react when Madara's reaction speed far surpasses Nagato's. That simple.

No as he'd throw Onoki off with the force .-. Then summons shit to get in the way, or then takes the chance to use CT, don't recall it taking very long in his healthy form.

Then Onoki gets right back on and blitzes Nagato with Ay.

-CT isn't possible since Deva's powers go on cooldown for 5 seconds.
-Summons are irrelevant as they can literally circle around summons or knock them out of the way.

 

[Zexion~]

Just how I'm not seeing feats for Nagato reacting to someone far faster than V2 Ay from 20m when Madara had issues, and when Minato barely reacted from half that distance.





Madara's reaction speed does not change when he's in Susanoo. Stop citing Madara's poor/failed reaction as evidence that Nagato himself can react when Madara's reaction speed far surpasses Nagato's. That simple.





Then Onoki gets right back on and blitzes Nagato with Ay.

-CT isn't possible since Deva's powers go on cooldown for 5 seconds.
-Summons are irrelevant as they can literally circle around summons or knock them out of the way.

Whatever if they pull it off I guess he'd be blitzed, its still a punch though it shouldn't KO him, especially if Naraka DOES heal.

I'm fairly certain if ST is used they'd be down for more than 5 seconds ....

 

[KidGamer65]

Whatever if they pull it off I guess he'd be blitzed, its still a punch though it shouldn't KO him, especially if Naraka DOES heal.

I'm fairly certain if ST is used they'd be down for more than 5 seconds ....

Naraka can't heal him if he's dead. Unless you think Nagato can survive something that broke Madara's Susanoo, there is nothing to debate there.

Uh, no. What in the world would they be doing to take over 5 seconds to get up from the ground? :|

 

[LuckyMan]

He's not going to be 5 meters away :lol

Also prettty sure it was used again and Madara was able to turn around in time

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Why does Madara even need to react if he tanked it....he clearly didn't even bother moving after he saw him strike Mu.

He can ST right when Onoki gets on his back, and if their traveling towards Nagato he's going to get hit.



Also while i'm quoting you, question what does Naruka path do in Nagato? Could it possibly heal him from certain wounds as it does with the paths?

Ay and Onoki were flying through the air, not even using shunshin in the panel you linked of Madara turning his head to look at them.

Wrong, they were so fast Madara didn't see them at all until he was hit:

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Muu gets his ass whacked. In the second panel, we are viewing Madaras perspective. All he sees his Muu whacked away in an almost identical position he was in when Ay hit him, yet he doesn't see Ay even hitting Muu (remember this is despite Mu being in basically the same damn position he was in when he was first hit) nor did he see Ay take off again to blitz him......

And that was Lightened V1 Ay, bro. That fast.... and you question whether Lightened V2 Backpack Ay can blitz?????? Whether Nagato can react? Then you question whether Nagato can survive a punch with so much force it blew a whole through V2 Susanoo, busting its abdomen then once it passed through it the force was still enough to bust and blow a whole through the back of it, which is just as durable as the front???????

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[Zexion~]

Naraka can't heal him if he's dead. Unless you think Nagato can survive something that broke Madara's Susanoo, there is nothing to debate there.

Uh, no. What in the world would they be doing to take over 5 seconds to get up from the ground? :|

ST hurts you as well...and onoki already has a bad back, enough force slamming into him is going to rupture it :lol.

Its still a punching force :lol, but since the fist is physically getting harder than yeah it probably would kill him.

 

[KidGamer65]

ST hurts you as well...and onoki already has a bad back, enough force slamming into him is going to rupture it :lol.

Its still a punching force :lol, but since the fist is physically getting harder than yeah it probably would kill him.

Lightweight rock technique makes them as light as a feather, thus they take no serious damage when they hit the ground.

 

[Zexion~]

Lightweight rock technique makes them as light as a feather, thus they take no serious damage when they hit the ground.

.-. They would take even more damage would they not? If their bones are that much lighter that would make them that much easier to break.

Plus that would mean they'd be sent farther I believe....

 

[KidGamer65]

.-. They would take even more damage would they not? If their bones are that much lighter that would make them that much easier to break.

Plus that would mean they'd be sent farther I believe....

...Since when did weight affect durability?

1. If it did, then Gaara's Sand would just catch them.
2. Not to mention to deal damage, he'd have to shoot them into the ground, thus no matter how light they become, they'd just hit the ground. If his aim is to simply push them away, then Gaara's Sand just catches them and lightening them isn't even needed.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol this guy thinks they will just shake off getting hit with ST

Lol this guy is quoting me without providing any sort of counters.

 

[NarutoX28]

The only way Nagato counters Lightened Ei's Speed is with Knowledge (so then he can sense the chakra-build up used to lighten Ei), so then he'd counter with Shinra Tensei which would obviously send him flying. Under normal circumstances, Nagato easily gets blitzed considering Madara was helpless against it's speed.

 

[Zexion~]

...Since when did weight affect durability?

1. If it did, then Gaara's Sand would just catch them.
2. Not to mention to deal damage, he'd have to shoot them into the ground, thus no matter how light they become, they'd just hit the ground. If his aim is to simply push them away, then Gaara's Sand just catches them and lightening them isn't even needed.

.-. It doesn't, but bones are connected by joints, by making it weigh less it should logically be easier to dislocate/break them.


:lol This wasn't a debate so Gaara could be occupied elsewhere for all we know. But okay, catching them still isn't going to mean his back is fine, nor does it mean they can immediately get back up and start again

 

[KidGamer65]

Mind you this is Pain's ST, Nagato's is stronger

Negged Naruto's SM Clones

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sent all the toads flying

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They are not gonna simply wave it off and jump right back up

I've already addressed this in post's above. Read them.

 

[KidGamer65]

.-. It doesn't, but bones are connected by joints, by making it weigh less it should logically be easier to dislocate/break them.

Not sure how that makes any sense.

:lol This wasn't a debate so Gaara could be occupied elsewhere for all we know. But okay, catching them still isn't going to mean his back is fine, nor does it mean they can immediately get back up and start again

Lmao. Occupied doing what? Not to mention the main argument of this discussion was that Nagato can't react, you turned it into something else by mentioning what he does before when that was never my point.

-If he takes no damage, his back will be fine.
-Based on nothing.

 

[Zexion~]

Not sure how that makes any sense.

Is it easier to move something that weighs more or less? (if they are both quite solid)

Lmao. Occupied doing what? Not to mention the main argument of this discussion was that Nagato can't react, you turned it into something else by mentioning what he does before when that was never my point.

Because I was assuming you were claiming that is how they win.

-If he takes no damage, his back will be fine.
-Based on nothing.

Being slammed by a force that is going into the opposite direction is still going to have an effect on your body, its not just hitting the ground that hurts the opponents.

 

[KidGamer65]

Is it easier to move something that weighs more or less? (if they are both quite solid)

Easier to move=/=Easier to disconnect when it comes to joints.

Being slammed by a force that is going into the opposite direction is still going to have an effect on your body, its not just hitting the ground that hurts the opponents.

The main damage comes from being hit into the ground. Shown every time he uses it.

 

[Zexion~]

Easier to move=/=Easier to disconnect when it comes to joints.

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The main damage comes from being hit into the ground. Shown every time he uses it.

Why is this :lol? Its just logic, being slammed by a force hurts like a *****.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nothing that made actual sense. Try again.



That is speculation, an opposing force, especially one as high caliber as ST will do damage.

Where's the counter tho?

Oh wait. It's nowhere to be found. Do us both a favor and don't reply until you have something to say that hasn't been said by someone else a good 3x now. The second part of your post, as expected, has been addressed below.

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Why is this :lol? Its just logic, being slammed by a force hurts like a *****.

Smh. Why don't you do me a favor and read the Manga. Save us both a lot of time.

-Vs. Pain. Naruto's clones didn't poof until they hit the ground.
-Vs. Pain. Toads didn't take damage until they hit the ground.
-Vs. Pain. B never hit the ground and took no damage.

Don't cite logic when Manga panels disagree.