The problem with the Naruto/Kurama argument

[bdm]

So I always see threads on here stating that Naruto is nothing without Kurama, but honestly would Sasuke be anything without Susano'o?

Think about it. Susano'o is a gigantic spiritual warrior with powers comparable to the bijuus and all that Sasuke had to do was be born an Uchiha, have an eye transplant and then get angry. He didn't even have to train or work to perfect the ability like Naruto did.

Susano'o is also to thank for saving Sasuke's ass on multiple occasions, like when he fought the Kages, Danzo, Obito, Madara, Naruto, Kaguya, and others.

So what's the big deal then? Wouldn't this make Sasuke and Naruto guilty for the same thing?

i compleately agree with you.
but keeping aside the controversy of rukudo chakra - - sadly naruto got only sanjutsu[which he earned] and kurama [he deserved]
while saasugay got [itachi eye powers,susanoo,rinnengan[through kabuto's hashi dna],finnally he is plotarmored by kishi coz he is the fav one of kishi] - these are nothing but free upgrades - - the one thing he had to do is cry and cry.

 

[Zawerni]

Fappers will be fappers.

 

[Nagi]

Would Susano'o V1 not count? I agree though a mode type would be cool.

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That's all i want from Sasuke. Using Susanno power without bringing out the big ole humanoid!

 

[Tonybeeth]

According to manga, sharingan is rare amongst uchiha, MS is rare for those with sharingan, susanoo is rare amongst MS users. So basically all the stars in heaven and hell aligned during an eclipse for sasuke to have this.....

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Kurama provides advice, Nature Energy, & enhanced chakra.

Susanōo does nothing of the sort & infact takes away massive amounts of chakra:|.

 

[UltraPain]

Kurama provides advice, Nature Energy, & enhanced chakra.

Susanōo does nothing of the sort & infact takes away massive amounts of chakra:|.

Susano'o also gives Sasuke enhanced chakra, near complete invulnerability, flight, genjutsu protection, and more.

Susano'o can be used with the rinnegan to steal and store chakra from anyone so I think it's pretty much the same as Kurama making some of his own. Also don't forget that by storing that chakra Sasuke's Susano'o can hold much more chakra then even Kurama can.

 

[XxTayxX]

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Naruto > Sasuke :bdpf:

Fully mastered rinnegan/ems sasuke= naruto rsm+ all 9 bijuus as stated by kishi. :Sparks:

OT: There is no need to stoop to the level of a sasuke fanboy

 

[narutocentral]

Hashirama- wood
Naruto-Kurama
Sasuke-sharingain
Third,fourth raikage- full body electric field.
4th hokage.-ftg
Garage- sand manipulation
And so mAny more examples could be made to show that these shiinobi were all great for their unique powers. But the real reason for them being great is that they used them in genius ways... So I agree

 

[Zawerni]

Kurama provides advice, Nature Energy, & enhanced chakra.

Susanōo does nothing of the sort & infact takes away massive amounts of chakra:|.

Though for all that to happen, Naruto had to defeat Kurama and rip out his chakra, then later befriend a beast that was the "embodiment of hatred".

Imagine if Sasuke had to beat his own Susano'o just to control it. :lol

 

[UltraPain]

Fully mastered rinnegan/ems sasuke= naruto rsm+ all 9 bijuus as stated by kishi. :Sparks:

Source please

 

[TNC Xlll]

Susano'o also gives Sasuke enhanced chakra, near complete invulnerability, flight, genjutsu protection, and more.

Susano'o can be used with the rinnegan to steal and store chakra from anyone so I think it's pretty much the same as Kurama making some of his own. Also don't forget that by doing that Sasuke can hold much more chakra then even Kurama can.

What are you talking about? Sasuke made the Susano with his chakra, Susano cannot give him chakra

 

[JStar King]

Source please

He says it somewhere in this interview that they're equal. Sasuke just refused to think that Naruto was his equal. If you paid attention, you woild've noticed it:

3T Sharingan + CM = KM

MS = Sage Mode

EMS =KCM/BM

6T Rinnegan + 6 Paths Yin Chakra = RSM + 6 Paths Yang Chakra

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[XxTayxX]

Source please

minkamint (Translator)

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Uchiha Sasuke:
Although he's Naruto's greatest rival, he's also his best friend. Before, he was a boy who was obsessed with hatred. He became an adult who can banter with his friends. He doesn't return to the village very often, but he did so in order to prevent an impending crisis. In this movie, he has Boruto as his pupil. He tries to discover that no matter the circumstances, the true nature of shinobi doesn't change. His true abilities are to the extent that he's on par with Naruto. His left eye has a Rinnegan, and his right eye has the Mangekyou Sharingan. He uses the two strongest doujutsu when he battles.

Source: OrganicDinosaur

 

[UltraPain]

What are you talking about? Sasuke made the Susano with his chakra, Susano cannot give him chakra

No duh. What I'm saying is that with susano'o Sasuke can obtain more chakra then Kurama so I think it evens out.

 

[Berner]

lol at this.

susanno isnt a living form that gives chakra and advice as well as many other things

 

[UltraPain]

Fully mastered rinnegan/ems sasuke= naruto rsm+ all 9 bijuus as stated by kishi. :Sparks:

OT: There is no need to stoop to the level of a sasuke fanboy

He says it somewhere in this interview that they're equal. Sasuke just refused to think that Naruto was his equal. If you paid attention, you woild've noticed it:

3T Sharingan + CM = KM

MS = Sage Mode

EMS =KCM/BM

6T Rinnegan + 6 Paths Yin Chakra = RSM + 6 Paths Yang Chakra

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Of course I think they're equal. I've said that multiple times within this thread. Thanks for the read.

 

[TNC Xlll]

No duh. What I'm saying is that with susano'o Sasuke can obtain more chakra then Kurama so I think it evens out.

WTF? Susano is made the user's chakra, It can't give him more chakra than he had.

 

[UltraPain]

WTF? Susano is made the user's chakra, It can't give him more chakra than he had.

Omg go read my earlier posts before I have to slap someone -__-

I said Sasuke can use his Rinnegan abilities to steal chakra and then store it within Susano'o like he did in VOTE2. His Susano'o can clearly store more chakra than the amount Kurama can even handle (9 bijuus worth is more than Kurama).

Sasuke being able to store more chakra overall and Kurama being able to generate chakra but with less of a storage threshold seems pretty fair to me.

Again I think this is another way his Susano'o and Kurama balance out.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

OP is right. Naruto had to risk his life fighting Kurama in order to tame him. This was no easy feat considering that Naruto needed assistance from Killer B, Yamato, and Kushina to defeat the Ninetails.

 

[TNC Xlll]

Omg go read my earlier posts before I have to slap someone -__-

I said Sasuke can use his Rinnegan abilities to steal chakra and then store it within Susano'o like he did in VOTE2. His Susano'o can clearly store more chakra than the amount Kurama can even handle (9 bijuus worth is more than Kurama).

Sasuke being able to store more chakra overall and Kurama being able to generate chakra but with less of a storage threshold seems pretty fair to me.

Again I think this is another way his Susano'o and Kurama balance out.

Susano stroring more chakra than Kurama doesn't mean that it give him chakra. Sasuke took that somewhere else.