Replace the time frame rule

Should Time frame rule be replaced by priority

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Well as we all can see now, our time frame rule is the rule which forbids us make a move before our opponent, now for the most part the rules doesn't have any negative effect, but like hell i would like make use of op-ed speed, it completely negates the aspect of speed, i mean wth?

So i'll suggest something but before that lets understand what exactly the problem with it

(Suiton: Suiryuudan) - Water Style: Water Dragon
Rank: B
Type: Offense
Range: Short/Long
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage Points: 40
Description: A huge rushing water projectile in the shape of a dragon that can level anything in its path.

^ putting the great power aside it requires 64 freaking hand seals, i'll need to wait for my target to make these hand seals specially when it comes to naruto, he only does a single hand seal (shadow clones) for all the parts in the series(rest its kyuubi, a thousand years of death, rasengan and sage mode pwn) i can fall asleep meanwhile he does that.

Well since hand seals are really a big deal in our rp, this aside Sage mode requires roughly 1 turn to activate, if i use it in the beginning of the battle, i'll have the advantage in most parts till it ends.
So this is my suggestion

Priority.
Priority will be an addition in all jutsu templates, that represents the speed of your move.
For example
(Kirigakure No Jutsu) - Hidden Mist Jutsu
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short/Mid
Chakra Cost: 10
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user creates a thick, dense mist that covers the surrounding area.
Priority; N/a
(requires average amount of time to execute)

(Suiton: Suiryuudan) - Water Style: Water Dragon
Rank: B
Type: Offense
Range: Short/Long
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage Points: 40
Description: A huge rushing water projectile in the shape of a dragon that can level anything in its path.
Priority; -1
(In reference to the seals factor)

(Rasengan) - Spiral Sphere
Rank:A
Type:Attack
Range:Short
Chakra Cost:
Damage Points:
Description: Rasengan was a Ninjutsu technique developed over the span of three years by the Fourth Hokage. The technique was taught to his sensei Jiraiya, who then passed it on to the young ninja Naruto years later. The technique is unlike many other jutsu in that it does not require any hand seals. It just relied on the ninja�s ability to mold chakra. The ninja concentrates a contained, fast, rotating sphere of chakra in the palm of their hand, which can create a destructive impact. Limit: None
Priority; +2
(cause it requires no hand seals at all, this is what makes rasengan special don't ya think?)
Now this explains the concept of Priority factor. Next is other stuff, techniques and arguments that will make this an important topic for all of us.

-Cannon Characters; I based this seeing Emperors restrictions over Jinchuuriki's, apart from bijuu powers every Jinchuu had natural granted abilities by their respective bijuu.
i.e. 4th mizukage; extreme swimming abilities. Now how does this affect the priority factor? I think its pretty clear. The priority of Tai/Water when over/inside a water body increases by +1 or +2.
Others can be 2nd Hokage, his prowess in Water Style is obviously remarkable. He performed Water Dragon technique without any water source, and with a single hand seal. His priority in water can't be matched, how about +3 for every Water Style attack. Is it a bit too much, i think this is what made him Hokage. Oh well we can change this though (Think Tank; Does 2nd Hokage have any particular value or popularity of use in Rp without this point being noticed?)
Well now i'll refrain from posting other cannon characters, since if i'd were to do that, the noobs around the rp board will consider implement on this as an attempt to annihilate them(<Thats how they think)
-Intercepting; It was our common habbit before the time frame rule, well obviously we cant do that anymore, this makes it possible, if your attacks priority is more, you can do that, now even the opponent can't whine they didn't get a chance, cause its all in the digits, this also increases the overall possibilities of getting our attacks to hit the opponent.
-Modes; Well modes like EIG, Lightning assault Armour & Sage mode increases this factor as we know. Activating EIG is like putting the target in hell, to make it more co-ordinated, even modes should have these, and well you know some ppl actually blocked lee's attacks in 1-3 gates right, like Garra, his absolute defense helped him.
-KG's; Clan power also effects priority, like Sharingan, it pisses me when some ppl say when sharingan increase speed when actually it increases thier reaction time. Here's an example for this. Sharingan increases priority on all defenses moves. 1 Tomoe, + o.5 priority, 2 tomoe, +1, 3 Tomoe(I dont tend to give sharingan any more power as it already has, this site once used to be filled with uchiha when that finally ended i dont want the dream to end do i?, as you can see its difficult =( ), So lets leave this to peeps like Rei(Do some work you lazy b!tch =p).
Well another thing i thought up is Hyuuga clan, they block tenketsu, and well we noticed some ppl's speed going down due to it. Lets say getting hit by gentle fist will decrease your priority on taijutsu attacks (- 0.5 per attack lets say) which ___ turns.

Concluding this suggestion by

If the suggestion is liked by others, this will of course be a problem and will be lots of work for the Rp mods group no doubt about it, for this im sure all sensei's (if agreeing to this) will be active to help the site out. The mods can make use of those with great jutsu knowledge.
@ customs, this will be big job, but we don't need to rush, apart from 5 submission every week, every1 should add 2 resubmission (along with quotes) with added priority, and the moderator, only considering the jutsu should approve or decline it then and there, no more then 2 more resubmission should be allowed in a week, though you can resubmit more you didn't submitted any customs. (Easy? no? please bare with it guys)
 
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i really don't understand what these priority points are? And what about that rule which forbids us to make a move before our opponent? If it exists I haven't seen anyone respecting it (for example- -guy in fight is using his jutsus at the same time as the other one is making handseals for his jutsus). This thread is pointless- just fight like you would fight in world of Naruto...
 

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You an idiot, hes trying to make it more realistic, in naruto you wouldnt wait for your opponent to use 64 hand seals for 1 jutsu before you even move would you?

I agree with you sage
I just said that thread is pointless. There isn't anyone who will respect that time frame rule. I haven't said that rule is ok lol
btw haven't i said: "just fight like you would fight in Naruto world."?
 

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I like the idea but as it seems with any suggestion its just going to be too difficult.

How would customs work? Resubmit every single custom with a priority value?
 

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I just said that thread is pointless. There isn't anyone who will respect that time frame rule. I haven't said that rule is ok lol
btw haven't i said: "just fight like you would fight in Naruto world."?
what gives you the balls to come say that to me? o.-
unless your a total idiot u can't see, that some ppl actually try to tell those who don't know about it. You hardly began rp-ing, what do you know about the problems, mistakes and the number of arguments we face just cause some1 doesn't knows how to fight.
Unless you have a valid opinion don't post
I like the idea but as it seems with any suggestion its just going to be too difficult.

How would customs work? Resubmit every single custom with a priority value?
i agree its difficult, though its the only way
 

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what gives you the balls to come say that to me? o.-
unless your a total idiot u can't see, that some ppl actually try to tell those who don't know about it. You hardly began rp-ing, what do you know about the problems, mistakes and the number of arguments we face just cause some1 doesn't knows how to fight.
Unless you have a valid opinion don't post

i agree its difficult, though its the only way
lol. that was my opinion... There is no need for time frame rules nor for priority points. There should only be added number of hand seals in jutsu form...
 

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lol. that was my opinion... There is no need for time frame rules nor for priority points. There should only be added number of hand seals in jutsu form...
just get the **** outta here, your opinion in invalid, now unless you want to turn your rp life to hell it would be wise not to post anymore
 

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I say yes.This is actually a very good Idea.This way alot of arguements would stop spuring up.I am a noob in rp-ing but I had a lot of problems with people on that topic,so I say you did a very good job Sage.

But this will be hard to get used to.Also when solving one problem,usually others comexd
 

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I just said that thread is pointless. There isn't anyone who will respect that time frame rule. I haven't said that rule is ok lol
btw haven't i said: "just fight like you would fight in Naruto world."?
You don't have to respect the rules, you just need to follow them U_U

As the the suggestion, it's a pretty good suggestion, and I get what you're saying. I gotto think before I say im for it or against it ;)
If this gets implanted, that means the whole jutsulist has to be edited, as far as I know, Nexus is always busy, hes the one who changes the jutsulist, it would mean that all customs would have to be resubmitted as well, cause anyone can just edit their custom thread and say all their jutsus have +5 priority.

It's not just a rule that gets changed, but the whole RP system basically.
Anyway, right now is a bad time to implant the new thing. So if the suggestion gets approved, its gonna be a long process, 1 month maybe, and since everybody got exams right now, or most of the staff members, it might take longer.
 
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the time frame rule doesn't say you can't make a move before your opponent it says you have to let the complete their first move regardless of what it is.

in the scenario you described of course you can complete your whole turn before he gets finished with water dragon.

letting your opponent complete one move and having to wait until he does it are two entirely different things
 

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just get the **** outta here, your opinion in invalid, now unless you want to turn your rp life to hell it would be wise not to post anymore
wtf!? you can't say that my opinion is invalid because it is opinion. anyway, i thought about your idea again and I think that it's great...
peace
 

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You don't have to respect the rules, you just need to follow them U_U

As the the suggestion, it's a pretty good suggestion, and I get what you're saying. I gotto think before I say im for it or against it ;)
If this gets implanted, that means the whole jutsulist has to be edited, as far as I know, Nexus is always busy, hes the one who changes the jutsulist, it would mean that all customs would have to be resubmitted as well, cause anyone can just edit their custom thread and say all their jutsus have +5 priority.

It's not just a rule that gets changed, but the whole RP system basically.
Anyway, right now is a bad time to implant the new thing. So if the suggestion gets approved, its gonna be a long process, 1 month maybe, and since everybody got exams right now, or most of the staff members, it might take longer.
:p True about the exams, well i've thought it up, meanwhile the customs are being resubmitted, its up to the ppl whether or not to allow customs. Or they can fight without this change until the additions are then by the time.
@ for the list, i think the the work can evenly be distributed to sensei's, the rp mods can re-check them, and put all the change at once. O___O we need to have Nexus's opinion on this!!!!!!!!
the time frame rule doesn't say you can't make a move before your opponent it says you have to let the complete their first move regardless of what it is.

in the scenario you described of course you can complete your whole turn before he gets finished with water dragon.

letting your opponent complete one move and having to wait until he does it are two entirely different things
Even after you explained the time frame rule, why can't we do that is still questionable. The only thing is unfairness, of others performing 2-3 jutsu's before we do even a single 1, this is what was considered before the time frame rule, if you were that you would had noticed the arguments in plenty of the fights still i'd like to have your opinion to it, whether or not do i like the suggestion?
Hey Dark Sage what about jutsus like the raikages armour.What priority would that have?
i only meant to give the examples, how many will it have will obviously be decided later
wtf!? you can't say that my opinion is invalid because it is opinion. anyway, i thought about your idea again and I think that it's great...
peace
an opinion gets invalid if the facts the opinion is basing on are invalid, adding up the no. of hand seals will do no good with stuff the boost our abilities/kg's etc.
 

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i don't really like something like this since i don't really think that the rp is broken nor do i think it needs to be changed. plus it just seems like its something that is going to add more confusion to the whole system.

if you can simplify it and make it easier to implement i would be interested to see it
 

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kay,

Firstly: Remarkabale work done , No doubt you put hell lot of effot for your tiny brain :p,

The idea is nice, but it will pose great problems in the RP system, there are so many customs and when I say so many I really Mean it. It will take For-ever to re-check them.

than there is the 64 hand seals, not every one in naruto world would know what jutsu was zabuza doing, if we put it like that, the opponent started doing handseals the opponent watrches to which jutsu the opponent is performing and when he completes jutsu the opponent counter's it.

But if we use the above logic Sage Mode and others should not take 1 turn to charge then, they will be used like jutsu.

since most of the jutsu are not available with the number of seals and time required, We could just search those jutsu which require much time and put PRIORITY in them ONLY.

that will save bunch of time and will improve RP quality

same could be done to EIG, and Raikage's armor. Being a sharingan user I wont say about the reaction time. but if added it will be awesome ;).

Once again you have done an excellent job.
 

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the time frame rule doesn't say you can't make a move before your opponent it says you have to let the complete their first move regardless of what it is.

in the scenario you described of course you can complete your whole turn before he gets finished with water dragon.

letting your opponent complete one move and having to wait until he does it are two entirely different things
Not what I've seen. The rule applies throughout the match.

Back on topic:

I agree that there is a problem, but I find priority very confusing. If one had
-2 priority, then his opponent could use two +1 priority jutsus in the meantime?

I'd change that to maybe time spent, instead of priority. We could give each jutsu a said time, what we think is alright for normal people. Then we would give each ninja rank a bonus. For example, Gennin have +1 seconds, Chunnin use the ammount stated on the jutsus, Jonnins use -0.1 seconds, S-Ranks -0,2. Sannins -0.4, Kage -0.6 and Sages -1 second...

But either way, it takes too much work, and our mods don't give that much effort...
 

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No O_O, I don't support. I like the Time Frame rule. Before it people did things like "you can go first" *opponents does 3 moves* "I do this and attack you, even before you finished your first move, with 3 jutsu's and kill you" *opponent changes his mind when he sees the attack coming and does that move to counter and make it impossible for the other attacks to be made*

That way your entire time frame was messed up and you were doing dozens of jutsu's in a handful of seconds according to the time in the fight.

The editing itself will already take weeks, not to mention who's going to decide which jutsu gets which priority lvl? Who's going to say that jutsu needs that lvl and that one that lvl, especially concerning customs which have never been shown? We are talking about months of work and it doesn't even make sense.

You used the example of 64 for a Water Dragon, but that's invalid =/ jutsu's have got a standard amount of hanseals to make it certainly work, but that's just the theory. In battle it solely depends on the skill of the ninja. It seems to me your entire system is based on the idea that every jutsu that is used has only one series of handseals that every ninja has to preform (no matter his rank) and that jutsu's with less handseals will be cast faster, but that's not true. Kakashi and Kisame both used the Water Dragon with only a handful of handseals when they fought each other in Konoha. If you actually want to change it, you don't need to change the jutsu's, but base it on the ranks (as Foxhuntress already said) what you're doing is trying to climb a 100m high wall, while there's an open door next to you.

But even so I still am against it as you are making it extremely complicated. Can you even imagine how you will have to start to think when you're going to use priority lvls? When someone would fire a slow, but strong jutsu, the opponent just has to fire an extremely fast one. What does the user do then? "oh no, I need to change my attack". That's already completely unrealistic as you're going to change your jutsu in the middle of preparing already another jutsu. Even if it would be possible, then you need to make a jutsu that's even faster than the opponents jutsu, but in that case it's going to be weaker and as the opponents is already launched, you loose either way.
Actually those priority things just made a switch: now everything is mainly based on strength and less on speed, your system will just switch those places.

It's called the Time Frame rule for a reason. It gives a solid time frame in which you can battle without getting yourself lost. Take it away and it's going to be extremely complicated.
 
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As much work and effort was put into this idea, and trust me I like it, it's just not needed. The time frame rule currently place is perfectly fine. It's more with common sense, than numbers which will not only confuse newer members and old member strategies, but also make months of work vanish and start over.

All of the custom justus out there will need to be resubmitted, 5 a week, or be completely closed down again to fix it all and approve/disapprove. This is all to make a new rule that will unfortuantely make the RP a bit too weird since, like cali stated, people will just play the speed game after being completely countered. Priority isn't needed, people just need to know how jutsus will work, how fast and strong it is, and ect... Ranking also allows you to do handseals faster like kakashi when he faught naruto and sakura to get them back into the ninja groove. He made a water dragon with all of the seals, but it took him like 2 seconds. The higher the rank the faster you are, the stronger you are, and the more productive you are with jutsus. To me anyways...

I'm against due to the fact that it's a good idea, but not needed since the time frame rule already works fine.
 

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Even after you explained the time frame rule, why can't we do that is still questionable. The only thing is unfairness, of others performing 2-3 jutsu's before we do even a single 1, this is what was considered before the time frame rule, if you were that you would had noticed the arguments in plenty of the fights still i'd like to have your opinion to it, whether or not do i like the suggestion?
i don't see how you couldnt O__O if someone does a jutsu that requires 50+ seals you should be able to pull of a few seal-less jutsu before they do anything, so long as you allow them to use their fist jutsu.

and i'm against adding the priority simply because of the work required and seal info is not available for all jutsu. and if we enforce a rule all jutsu should be required to follow it not just some of them. and then we have to go and re-do the jutsulist again. it's too much work for not enough profit.

Not what I've seen. The rule applies throughout the match.

Back on topic:

I agree that there is a problem, but I find priority very confusing. If one had
-2 priority, then his opponent could use two +1 priority jutsus in the meantime?

I'd change that to maybe time spent, instead of priority. We could give each jutsu a said time, what we think is alright for normal people. Then we would give each ninja rank a bonus. For example, Gennin have +1 seconds, Chunnin use the ammount stated on the jutsus, Jonnins use -0.1 seconds, S-Ranks -0,2. Sannins -0.4, Kage -0.6 and Sages -1 second...

But either way, it takes too much work, and our mods don't give that much effort...
i never said that the rule didn't apply throughout the match but at any point if a jutsu requiring lots of seals its very likely to be able to complete seal-less jutsu before the release of the seal heavy attack.
 
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