understanding ashuras avatar and rsm

[Hashirama Senjuu]

People still deny the fact that rsm comes from all nine biju combined, and state its a gift from hagoromo.

The only gift hagoromo gave Naruto was the ability for each biju to meet inside Naruto (granting RSM)

This point is further proven by the fact that madara absorbed the jubi and got RSM, the same with obito. Which is also further proven when madaras body looks exactly like hagoromos. And hagoromo said madara had gained his body after absorbing the 10 tails, getting closer to his mother, because he already had hagos eyes. The point is further proven that you must be born talented with eyes while you can be born untalented but work hard to gain the bijus trust.

People will also complain that absorbing the 10 tails gives you the ten tails coffin seal, but if people actually read they'd realize that it is explained to be rikudos senjutsu. Hagoromo was born with it because his mother was the 10 tails jinchuriki at the time.

When granted RSM from absorbing the jubi you gain flight, tsb, regeneration, and the jubis kkg mokuton.

When granted RSM from all nine biju you gain flight, tsb, regeneration, and every bijus kkg including kuramas special ability, which is the chakra avatar.

Ashura was like Naruto, just because he wasn't a Jin does not mean each beast could not meet within him.

It's also stated every tailed beast is made completely out of senjutsu chakra, and it was stated by kishi that each beast can collect senjutsu chakra (to a fixed amount) which is why they can regenerate and can't die. (forget what interview it was)

Shukaku is the only beast not made completely out of chakra (he is sand held together with chakra) this is why every beast can grant a chakra cloak in v1 including shukaku, but in v2 every jinchuriki turns into a mini version of the beast being completely chakra except shukaku like we saw with gaara, which is sand.

People can continue to deny this but manga facts only lead up to this situation. But deny it all you want this is the truth to me and no one can disprove it.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

RSM undoubtedly comes from all 9 Bijuus, but Ashura has Six Paths chakra, and Six Paths chakra is basically Juubi's chakra, which is basically all 9 Bijuus chakra.

 

[wanderingcactus]

pls explain Minato and Toneri and where is that stated in the databook as i could not find it

 

[Seventh Sama]

RSM is a gift. Hell the databook even saids its a gift from the sage. :|

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

RSM is a gift. Hell the databook even saids its a gift from the sage. :|

Yeah a gift for all 9 biju to meet in you

 

[V h o]

Cool beans

 

[Seventh Sama]

Yeah a gift for all 9 biju to meet in you

No. They all are in naruto because he has their chakra in the first place. That has nothing to do with the sage. The databook also called the form naruto used to cut the shinju in half, Rsm.

 

[juzumaki]

deny thats your own head canon not fact

 

[TrollKing]

Obito chose hachibi and one tail specifically to fulfil rsm requirement. Hago there was to give yin yang seals

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

No. They all are in naruto because he has their chakra in the first place. That has nothing to do with the sage. The databook also called the form naruto used to cut the shinju in half, Rsm.

Umm no only parts of them were in Naruto lmao, and yeah that was rsm, so? He doesn't have to have kurama avatar all the time? You still can't prove me wrong and my belief is way more factual than anything else. If you just read op, but anyways I'm not going to argue about what I think.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

deny thats your own head canon not fact

I mean, kinda, but if you read op, I used plenty of manga facts.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Umm no only parts of them were in Naruto lmao, and yeah that was rsm, so? He doesn't have to have kurama avatar all the time? You still can't prove me wrong and my belief is way more factual than anything else. If you just read op, but anyways I'm not going to argue about what I think.

Yeah those pieces of Chakra is what makes naruto a "meeting place" for them and so that proves rsm is a gift and not something that doesn't have to be made up of bijuu chakra. Okay then.

 

[shadowcb]

OP, you are wrong. Naruto's RSM doesn't come from the tail beast.

Here's the databook translation of Six Paths Sage Mode (RSM). It was translated by 2 different people at Narutoforum.com. It never states Naruto's RSM comes from the tail beast in either translation.

Ninjutsu, Senjutsu - Six Paths Sage Mode
No rank, no range, offensive, defensive, supplementary
Users: Naruto Uzumaki

⬅ The floating ability used by the Sage of Six Paths is also almost mastered unconsciously by this technique's user.

From the ancestor of shinobi, a divine state is gifted, touching the principles of all creation, commanding all things in nature

The qualities for obtaining this technique are strict studying and using a small gist in chakra kneading sensibility. An iron faith to face any hardship and the guts to never give up. Furthermore, the returning incarnation and fate's guidance ― only those who hold those are granted the Sage of Six Paths' powers. Those who activate the technique come to understand the flow of all life, gain a deep insight at the world's origins and are able to apply it on interacting allies without changing the way of things. This technique isn't something shinobi are chosen to experience. It is a technique that chooses shinobi.

➡ Kicking the "Truth-Seeking Ball"! Exceeding the Kurama Mode, a feat accomplished by a huge chakra.

⬅The reaction speed is not less than equal to Madara, who had turned into the Ten-Tails' jinchuriki. The sensing ability has also risen!!

TN: Yeah, many many fluff words. I'm not certain on the wording on most of it, I hope you can at least understand what the article wants to convey. Probably not suitable for a scanlation, though.

and

Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo)

Heading: A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

← The caster has an unconscious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of Chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosophical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

→ Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast Chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!

← His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchūriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!

This is Madara/Obito RSM which is called Six Paths Ten Tails Coffin Seal. It stated this comes from the ten tails.

Six Paths Ten Tails Coffin Seal (六道十尾柩印, Rikudō Jūbi Kyūin)

↓ The top caption says that when it seemed that Madara was making Obito use Rinne Rebirth, Obito was actually weaving the sings for the Six Paths Ten Tails Coffin Seal.

Kekkei Genkai/Ninjutsu used by Obito and Madara. Taking the ten bodies of the tailed beasts into oneself, becoming a Jinchūriki and gaining their power. It goes on to say that it's difficult to control the tailed beasts and that this can cause the user to have a psychological collapse, and needs to either have a suitably strong force of will, either inherently or by finding one, in order to gain control. If they do that, they'll obtain the terrifying/astounding power of a "god that shapes the land."

→ The caster condenses and absorbs the ten tailed beasts into himself, awakening ("blossoming") their original power (本来の力, primal power, essential power).

↑ To acquire the power of the ten tailed beasts is the same as possessing the power of the Sage of Six Paths, so it is accompanied by the same Truthseeker Orbs.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Yeah those pieces of Chakra is what makes naruto a "meeting place" for them and so that proves rsm is a gift and not something that doesn't have to be made up of bijuu chakra. Okay then.

Nono even in the manga its stated that one day a little blonde boy with blue eyes will be the meeting place for the biju one day, and hagoromo further proves this in their meeting.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

OP, you are wrong. Naruto's RSM doesn't come from the tail beast.

Here's the databook translation of Six Paths Sage Mode (RSM). It was translated by 2 different people at Narutoforum.com. It never states Naruto's RSM comes from the tail beast in either translation.

Ninjutsu, Senjutsu - Six Paths Sage Mode
No rank, no range, offensive, defensive, supplementary
Users: Naruto Uzumaki

⬅ The floating ability used by the Sage of Six Paths is also almost mastered unconsciously by this technique's user.

From the ancestor of shinobi, a divine state is gifted, touching the principles of all creation, commanding all things in nature

The qualities for obtaining this technique are strict studying and using a small gist in chakra kneading sensibility. An iron faith to face any hardship and the guts to never give up. Furthermore, the returning incarnation and fate's guidance ― only those who hold those are granted the Sage of Six Paths' powers. Those who activate the technique come to understand the flow of all life, gain a deep insight at the world's origins and are able to apply it on interacting allies without changing the way of things. This technique isn't something shinobi are chosen to experience. It is a technique that chooses shinobi.

➡ Kicking the "Truth-Seeking Ball"! Exceeding the Kurama Mode, a feat accomplished by a huge chakra.

⬅The reaction speed is not less than equal to Madara, who had turned into the Ten-Tails' jinchuriki. The sensing ability has also risen!!

TN: Yeah, many many fluff words. I'm not certain on the wording on most of it, I hope you can at least understand what the article wants to convey. Probably not suitable for a scanlation, though.

and

Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo)

Heading: A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

← The caster has an unconscious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of Chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosophical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

→ Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast Chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!

← His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchūriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!

This is Madara/Obito RSM which is called Six Paths Ten Tails Coffin Seal. It stated this comes from the ten tails.

Six Paths Ten Tails Coffin Seal (六道十尾柩印, Rikudō Jūbi Kyūin)

↓ The top caption says that when it seemed that Madara was making Obito use Rinne Rebirth, Obito was actually weaving the sings for the Six Paths Ten Tails Coffin Seal.

Kekkei Genkai/Ninjutsu used by Obito and Madara. Taking the ten bodies of the tailed beasts into oneself, becoming a Jinchūriki and gaining their power. It goes on to say that it's difficult to control the tailed beasts and that this can cause the user to have a psychological collapse, and needs to either have a suitably strong force of will, either inherently or by finding one, in order to gain control. If they do that, they'll obtain the terrifying/astounding power of a "god that shapes the land."

→ The caster condenses and absorbs the ten tailed beasts into himself, awakening ("blossoming") their original power (本来の力, primal power, essential power).

↑ To acquire the power of the ten tailed beasts is the same as possessing the power of the Sage of Six Paths, so it is accompanied by the same Truthseeker Orbs.

This in no way proves I am wrong, and I guess you didn't read carefully. Hago even states madara had rikudo senjutsu from absorbing the jubi.

Manga > databook, so please stop spouting the databook on my thread

 

[Seventh Sama]

Nono even in the manga its stated that one day a little blonde boy with blue eyes will be the meeting place for the biju one day, and hagoromo further proves this in their meeting.

It was something about a "little blond boy playing with the bijuu" or something. Either way
Ty and naruto solos.

 

[shadowcb]

This in no way proves I am wrong, and I guess you didn't read carefully. Hago even states madara had rikudo senjutsu from absorbing the jubi.

Manga > databook, so please stop spouting the databook on my thread

Stop ignoring facts. The databook is correct and the manga doesn't contradict the databook. The manga doesn't say Naruto RSM comes from the tail beast, nor did it show that. Naruto gaining the 9 tail beast had nothing to do with his RSM.

Madara's RSM does come from the 10 tails and the databook confirms that, but the databook also explains there are 2 different RSM. Madara/Obito possesses the Six Paths Ten Tails Coffin Seal while Naruto possesses the Six Paths Sage Mode.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Stop ignoring facts. The databook is correct and the manga doesn't contradict the databook. The manga doesn't say Naruto RSM comes from the tail beast, nor did it show that. Naruto gaining the 9 tail beast had nothing to do with his RSM.

Madara's RSM does come from the 10 tails and the databook confirms that, but the databook also explains there are 2 different RSM. Madara/Obito possesses the Six Paths Ten Tails Coffin Seal while Naruto possesses the Six Paths Sage Mode.

You just.. Neverming, lmao thank you, I'm positive I'm 100% right now.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Thread translated: "Screw the databook, I want to hold on to my perception of RSM!" Seriously though, this whole thread falls apart when you consider that Hagoromo was not responsible for the bijus meting inside of Naruto, that was accomplished by Naruto and Obito, and as such, is not a "gift" from Hagoromo. The ability itself is the gift. It's arguable that it works along the bijus, but the ability itself is separate.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Thread translated: "Screw the databook, I want to hold on to my perception of RSM!" Seriously though, this whole thread falls apart when you consider that Hagoromo was not responsible for the bijus meting inside of Naruto, that was accomplished by Naruto and Obito, and as such, is not a "gift" from Hagoromo. The ability itself is the gift. It's arguable that it works along the bijus, but the ability itself is separate.

No obito only gave Naruto a little bit of the bijus chakra and put that in Naruto, wtf are you talking about? Obito did not make that the meeting place, hago did. Only hago has that power, not obito wtf.