understanding ashuras avatar and rsm

[wanderingcactus]

Errr... what brought this up? My thread?

Pretty sure its my thread. Anyways dude, mine was just to humor but i also make mine plausable.

Yours is outdated. Mightve been plausable then (current anime episode 420) but debunked by the current manga now.

Also the databook is actually legit and thats basically kishi's databook on the NV so do not take it lightly.

As stated above, its true that RSM has the 10 tails chakra but it really is never needed.

One fact to destroy that was when Hago and Hamu fought the juubi. Also the fact that there are multiple RSM and not just one (hamura is also RS but of the moon, then the kids - although only half RS). They already are RS at that point. Hagoromo just gains more power/unlocks more stuff with it. Hamura shaped and form the moon and created a world within it which only a RS can do. Hes a so6p as well, just not of earth.

The "meeting place" happened when Hagoromo was dying. Hagoromo also stated that Ashura gained his power when he grew up and made bonds and found strength from love and not power unlike his brother.

He did not state anything about gaining his power/avatar thru kurama. Nor was it ever stated that Ashura was his jin. He is merely the guy that the beasts grew up with (they were not sealed in him - further backed up when kurama gave a flashback about his childhood with Hagoromo)

Also to make it simple: becoming a meeting place is not a powerup yo. That's like the lamest thing ever if it was.

 

[WorldTamerUchihaMadara]

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this is not RSM

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this is RSM when naruto used the 9 chakra beast combined chakra

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after using the mode even madara say's one has the six paths senjutsu and the other has rinnegan.

even when the manga states different they believe what hagoromos gave was RSM.

let's say for a second hagoromos did give RSM then this means even in an enhanced mode naruto needs help to fight madara an incomplete nerfed madara.

Hagoromos didn't give naruto RSM but half of his chakra so he can use the taiied beast chakra and awaken the RSM using the bijuu.

 

[SenseiSama]

Ashura's Avatar comes from the fact his chakra was enhanced by the Yang seal Hagoromo gave him, the Sage already stated he gave his son power before, that power enhanced his body to the point his Senjutsu evolved into RSM.

He didn't need the bijuu or the Juubi to use the avatar unlike Naruto, the reason being he already inherited Hagoromo's body Uzumaki + Senju = Gedo Mazo + Juubi KKG + Senjutsu.

Prior to the power up he should have had the Juubi's KKG, life force, regeneration feats, Senjutsu and the use of TBB in human form like Naruto. After the power up his SM would have evolved into RSM.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Errr... what brought this up? My thread?

Pretty sure its my thread. Anyways dude, mine was just to humor but i also make mine plausable.

Yours is outdated. Mightve been plausable then (current anime episode 420) but debunked by the current manga now.

Also the databook is actually legit and thats basically kishi's databook on the NV so do not take it lightly.

As stated above, its true that RSM has the 10 tails chakra but it really is never needed.

One fact to destroy that was when Hago and Hamu fought the juubi. Also the fact that there are multiple RSM and not just one (hamura is also RS but of the moon, then the kids - although only half RS). They already are RS at that point. Hagoromo just gains more power/unlocks more stuff with it. Hamura shaped and form the moon and created a world within it which only a RS can do. Hes a so6p as well, just not of earth.

The "meeting place" happened when Hagoromo was dying. Hagoromo also stated that Ashura gained his power when he grew up and made bonds and found strength from love and not power unlike his brother.

He did not state anything about gaining his power/avatar thru kurama. Nor was it ever stated that Ashura was his jin. He is merely the guy that the beasts grew up with (they were not sealed in him - further backed up when kurama gave a flashback about his childhood with Hagoromo)

Also to make it simple: becoming a meeting place is not a powerup yo. That's like the lamest thing ever if it was.

You didn't prove anything I said wrong? Everything you said is fan fic.

And if you'd read I already posted how hamura and hago got RSM. And I never said ashura was kuramas avatar, I actually stated the exact opposite.

And its a fact that the avatar is kuramas special ability. Lol the fail is strong in you.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Ashura's Avatar comes from the fact his chakra was enhanced by the Yang seal Hagoromo gave him, the Sage already stated he gave his son power before, that power enhanced his body to the point his Senjutsu evolved into RSM.

He didn't need the bijuu or the Juubi to use the avatar unlike Naruto, the reason being he already inherited Hagoromo's body Uzumaki + Senju = Gedo Mazo + Juubi KKG + Senjutsu.

Prior to the power up he should have had the Juubi's KKG, life force, regeneration feats, Senjutsu and the use of TBB in human form like Naruto. After the power up his SM would have evolved into RSM.

Where's your proof?

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

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this is not RSM

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this is RSM when naruto used the 9 chakra beast combined chakra

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after using the mode even madara say's one has the six paths senjutsu and the other has rinnegan.

even when the manga states different they believe what hagoromos gave was RSM.

let's say for a second hagoromos did give RSM then this means even in an enhanced mode naruto needs help to fight madara an incomplete nerfed madara.

Hagoromos didn't give naruto RSM but half of his chakra so he can use the taiied beast chakra and awaken the RSM using the bijuu.

Someone else finally gets it.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Someone else finally gets it.

Why you used juubi to support your case?

9 Bijuus as I told you countless of time not same as Juubi

Because of Naruto doesnt have Juubi for RSM, Hagoromo combined/connect all 9 Bijuus chakra with his Six Path power from that power up. 9 bijuus still lack Gedo Mazo to gave Naruto Six Path chakra.

Manga fact: Bijuus is Juub'si chakra and GM is Juubi's body/vessel. 9 separated Chakra wouldnt make it Juubi's chakra as they are separated and not blend.

If 9 Bijuu alone can gave RSM, Madara wouldnt waste his time to take all Bijuus inside GM, he can take small chakra from Bijuus by eating their flash and get RSM. To get RSM, you doesnt need to be friendly with Bijuus. Just their chakra.

And Naruto only had small chakra of 8 Bijuus.

Edit: And the guy you agreed with had understanding problem.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Why you used juubi to support your case?

9 Bijuus as I told you countless of time not same as Juubi

Because of Naruto doesnt have Juubi for RSM, Hagoromo combined/connect all 9 Bijuus chakra with his Six Path power from that power up. 9 bijuus still lack Gedo Mazo to gave Naruto Six Path chakra.

Manga fact: Bijuus is Juub'si chakra and GM is Juubi's body/vessel. 9 separated Chakra wouldnt make it Juubi's chakra as they are separated and not blend.

If 9 Bijuu alone can gave RSM, Madara wouldnt waste his time to take all Bijuus inside GM, he can take small chakra from Bijuus by eating their flash and get RSM. To get RSM, you doesnt need to be friendly with Bijuus. Just their chakra.

And Naruto only had small chakra of 8 Bijuus.

Edit: And the guy you agreed with had understanding problem.

Because Naruto is the new container, not the gedo mazo. I'm right, still.

And it doesn't matter if he only had a small amount, they can still send their chakra to Naruto from a distance as he is their meeting place. This is a fact.

Stop denying something that's so obvious, what's the point.

Why else would Naruto suddenly get all 9 biju (who all returned to full size) when meeting with hagoromo? A coincidence like that isn't something to ignore.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Because Naruto is the new container, not the gedo mazo. I'm right, still.

And it doesn't matter if he only had a small amount, they can still send their chakra to Naruto from a distance as he is their meeting place. This is a fact.

Stop denying something that's so obvious, what's the point.

Why else would Naruto suddenly get all 9 biju (who all returned to full size) when meeting with hagoromo? A coincidence like that isn't something to ignore.

At bold only. Here is where you're failed. You failed to understand manga context/portrayal.

Bijuus there not growing to their actual size and power but they appeared in their adult form or representing their adult form and not baby form.

If you think Bijuus inside naruto minus Kurama is at their full power, why Sasuke said Naruto only got so little chakra left from tailed beast? Because full Bijuus chakra(from 1 to 9 tails) will equal Juubi chakra. And most of the fight Naruto used Kurama mainly. Other Bijuus just for attack support.

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[WalksInShadows]

what Naruto & Ashura got from Hagoromo was clearly a powerup. If all Hagoromo did was make a bijuu clubhouse out of Ashura, Indra would've mudstomped Ashura and everybody with him.