Rikudou Killer Bee vs DMS Kakashi

[BenjerminGaye]

No, B is weaker than DMS Kakashi because that's what feats show. No one in this thread has even bothered to address the actual argument. That only tells me that no one has a good reason to believe Kakashi loses, just "lol chakra". Naruto being irrelevant is my point, so stop using him as a base of comparison when you yourself state that he can't be compared to either character.

B>DMS Kakashi w/o Rikudo Chakra is not only extremely false, but extremely irrelevant because DMS Kakashi gets new abilities while B doesn't. Take away all Rikudo Chakra and Kakashi would shit on B the same way he shits here. The rest has been addressed in my post to Kifflom. B getting stronger chakra means jack when PS would shit on him regardless of the Rikudo Boost.

Bold is only a baseless assumption backed with no real evidence and has even been answered in posts to RJ, Kifflom, and DA, and the rest has been countered in my post to Kifflom, who decided not to read either. Now, If you are going to reply again, reply to the real argument.

:lol, Now I know exactly what FT meant when he said B is overrated as shit.

Kid gamer who got you banned?

 

[Apêx1]

^Variaboss

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Kid gamer who got you banned?

It was actually TRE MERCER.

 

[NarutoX28]

It was actually TRE MERCER.

Why am I not surprised?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It was actually TRE MERCER.

That sounds like something he'd do.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

That sounds like something he'd do.

Yeah. I called him 3 names because he was denying Manga fact, so he replied with:

"Reported"

:lol. Hoe.

 

[ARGUS]

Because you believe so? Lol. Once again. Bad logic.



I don't know how many times this has to be said. But stop using Naruto as a baseline. Naruto is NOT Killer B. Naruto is >>>>Killer B w/ BM before the Rikudo Boost, so why would you use Naruto's jump in power to justify that B wins? Strength of chakra is obviously a huge factor, who denied that? But your logic of "B is way stronger because he has far stronger chakra" while ignoring the fact that Kakashi has other abilities outside of that makes completely no sense. And there is no disputing it.



If you actually read anything I said to RJ, you wouldn't be saying this. So I'll wait for a real rebuttal after you actually read what was stated. You haven't even addressed the main argument. The only fallacious logic is that B has stronger chakra than Kakashi, so he automatically wins. Makes zeero sense.

The bold only proves to me that you didn't read. :lol I don't know what is going with people this week, but it seems we are either forgetting how to read or choosing not to read. Go read.



Addressed and irrelevant as Kakashi still stomps him.


Addressed. B would get shitted on as long as Kakashi used PS, let alone Kamui and it's associated abilities. I've yet to see one realistic case for B's victory while I just made a case for a PS Kakashi only w/ no Kamui or associated abilities.



Lol, stop. What OP specified is irrelevant now. OP said nothing, so we are left to piece together what he got by looking at Naruto.

-Why would he get the same RSM as Naruto when Naruto's Bijuu Mode is completely different? Naruto only gained RSM because he had the potential to use a Sage Mode before, thus when he called on Hagoromo's Senjutsu, he enters a Sage Mode on steroids. B has no Sage Mode nor is RSM "Hagoromo's power+1 Bijuu". He's in Sasuke's boat. He gets the chakra, but that is it. Zero reason to believe he gets RSM.

-Based on what can B easily evade Kamui used by Rikudo Kakashi? Because Naruto w/ RSM can? First of all, Naruto has the massive speed boost from Kurama and he has the massive speed boost from RSM. B only has a speed boost from Hachibi, which is nowhere near Naruto's speed, and he has Hagoromo's chakra, not RSM. What's worse is that to dodge Kamui he has to be outside of Bijuu Mode, but if is outside of Bijuu Mode, Susanoo stomps him.

This is not close if you stop saying "lol chakra" and actually look at the abilities.

I give up
I was iffy on this because Kamui is a bitch to deal with either way

But are you implying that Regular PS > Rikudo Hachibi

 

[Unorthodox]

Sasuke's PS equals BM Kurama in that area.

Its actually equal to BSM just saying.

All that matters is if bee can evade Kamui if he can he shits if he cannot he loses here and since i believe he cannot because gyuki has no damn legs i say Kakashi takes this high diff

I give up

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[KeyofDestiny]

Its actually equal to BSM just saying.

All that matters is if bee can evade Kamui if he can he shits if he cannot he loses here and since i believe he cannot because gyuki has no damn legs i say Kakashi takes this high diff

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Yall be letting kidgamer own yall

No it's not. Again. Why would it be BM when RSM is BM+Rikudo Sage Chakra? Not BM+Rikudo Sage Chakra+Nature Energy from the atmosphere.

Gyuki dies regardless of the ability to dodge Kamui snipe.

I give up
I was iffy on this because Kamui is a ***** to deal with either way

But are you implying that Regular PS > Rikudo Hachibi

No. I clearly said what was stronger than what in my post. A hypothetical PS w/o Rikudo's chakra used by the combination of Obito and Kakashi's chakra>Hachibi unless you believe that Obito's chakra is so much weaker than EMS Sasuke's that it is over 2x weaker.

 

[Unorthodox]

No it's not. Again. Why would it be BM when RSM is BM+Rikudo Sage Chakra? Not BM+Rikudo Sage Chakra+Nature Energy from the atmosphere.

This has nothing to do with RSM they're is plenty of flaws with your downscaling aswell. I was referring to BSM Naruto's speed because it seemed pretty even with Sasuke's v3 susanoo yet you stated BM Kurama when it was infact BSM Kurama

 

[KeyofDestiny]

This has nothing to do with RSM they're is plenty of flaws with your downscaling aswell. I was referring to BSM Naruto's speed because it seemed pretty even with Sasuke's v3 susanoo yet you stated BM Kurama when it was infact BSM Kurama

Why would it be BM Kurama when w/ Senjutsu it was matching BSM Kurama?

 

[Unorthodox]

Why would it be BM Kurama when w/ Senjutsu it was matching BSM Kurama?

Im confused now all i know is his susanoo was evenly matched with BSM Kurama. What do you mean your the one always using the shitty downscaling that his v3 susanoo would be his perfect susanoo level

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Im confused now all i know is his susanoo was evenly matched with BSM Kurama. What do you mean your the one always using the shitty downscaling that his v3 susanoo would be his perfect susanoo level

-Senjutsu V3 Kyuubi Susanoo=BSM Kurama.
-V3 Kyuubi Susanoo=BM Kurama.
-PS=V3 Kyuubi Susanoo.

Keep calling the downscaling shitty when you literally have no real counter argument.

 

[NarutoX28]

@KidGamer

Naruto is using BSM in conjunction to his RSM as seen here:

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The Frog eyes are an indication of that, so downscaling Naruto without his Hagoromo Yang Chakra and downscaling Sasuke without his Hagoromo Yin Chakra should give us EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto, so they are essentially equals (in raw power at least).

 

[KeyofDestiny]

@KidGamer

Naruto is using BSM in conjunction to his RSM as seen here:

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The Frog eyes are an indication of that, so downscaling Naruto without his Hagoromo Yang Chakra and downscaling Sasuke without his Hagoromo Yin Chakra should give us EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto, so they are essentially equals (in raw power at least).

No. Toad Eyes are because his Sage Mode is still learned from the Toads. The actual chakra is only Hagoromo's. There's no disputing this when he doesn't gather Nature Energy to enter SM.

 

[Unorthodox]

-Senjutsu V3 Kyuubi Susanoo=BSM Kurama.
-V3 Kyuubi Susanoo=BM Kurama.
-PS=V3 Kyuubi Susanoo.

Keep calling the downscaling shitty when you literally have no real counter argument.

your downscaling is shitty

when You claim BSM Naruto = V3 susanoo boosted = Sasuke perfect susanoo normally yet at vote you claim downscaled it was BM Naruto if that was true Sasuke would have been faster due to the fact he had already stalemated BSM Naruto and striking speed tracking speed and foot speed but that was not the case His susanoo was the same fast as Naruto's avatar then they'res also the fact that

Yin chakra > Yang when it comes to speed

Naruto km and minato km being equal footing even though Minato has better speed and reaction then sm naruto let alone bm naruto

 

[KeyofDestiny]

your downscaling is shitty

Zero proof.

when You claim BSM Naruto = V3 susanoo boosted = Sasuke perfect susanoo normally yet at vote you claim downscaled it was BM Naruto if that was true Sasuke would have been faster due to the fact he had already stalemated BSM Naruto and striking speed tracking speed and foot speed but that was not the case His susanoo was the same fast as Naruto's avatar then they'res also the fact that

False. Where did I say this? Not to mention that makes no sense. Sasuke never stalemated BSM Naruto w/ his own power. He matched BSM Kurama's speed and durability when he had Senjutsu.

Yin chakra > Yang when it comes to speed

Just a baseless assumption.

Naruto km and minato km being equal footing even though Minato has better speed and reaction then sm naruto let alone bm naruto

Your example conflicts with your point. Base Minato>>Base Naruto, but KCM Naruto<=KCM Minato. Naruto has the Yang Chakra. Minato has the Yin Chakra. Minato received the smaller speed boost. Once again, he has the Yin chakra.

 

[NarutoX28]

No. Toad Eyes are because his Sage Mode is still learned from the Toads. The actual chakra is only Hagoromo's. There's no disputing this when he doesn't gather Nature Energy to enter SM.

Except Naruto's Rikudou Sage Mode is a gift from Hagoromo's Yang Chakra likely because Hagoromo had Rikudou Senjutsu prior to sealing the Juubi, so ultimately, his Senjutsu would be similar to Hagoromo's. He uses his own Toad Senjutsu to enhance his own Chakras which molds with Hagoromo's own Chakra to yield a far more potent Rikudou Sage Mode.

He wasn't even using Rikudou Senjutsu against Juubidara (Pre-Shinju). He only used his own Toad Senjutsu and a portion of Kurama's Chakra in order to fend him off and he clearly had Toad Eyes as an indication of that.

How do I know?

1. Naruto's Yoton RasenShuriken was Senjutsu Enhanced as shown here:

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2. Naruto wasn't using Rikudou Senjutsu in that instance seeing as how Madara didn't comment on it until after his Shinju Absorption.

3. Not only that, but Madara pinpointed Naruto's usage of Rikudou Senjutsu towards his Cloak's artstyle (the Tomoes) as he commented on Naruto's RSM as shown here:

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Whereas SM + KN0 Naruto had no such thing when he confronted Juubidara (Pre-Shinju).

Therefore, he did combine his BSM with his Rikudou Senjutsu.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Except Naruto's Rikudou Sage Mode is a gift from Hagoromo's Yang Chakra likely because Hagoromo had Rikudou Senjutsu prior to sealing the Juubi, so ultimately, his Senjutsu would be similar to Hagoromo's. He uses his own Toad Senjutsu to enhance his own Chakras which molds with Hagoromo's own Chakra to yield a far more potent Rikudou Sage Mode.

The first part is true, and the rest is an assumption. One based of of nothing and impossible considering he doesn't take in Nature Energy like he does for regular Sage Mode.

He wasn't even using Rikudou Senjutsu against Juubidara (Pre-Shinju). He only used his own Toad Senjutsu and a portion of Kurama's Chakra in order to fend him off and he clearly had Toad Eyes as an indication of that.

Completely false again.

1. No pigmentation=Rikudo Senjutsu.

2. DB states that Rikudo Sage Mode is why he can kick the Gudo Dama.

3. Already explained why Toad eyes make no difference.

How do I know?

1. Naruto's Yoton RasenShuriken was Senjutsu Enhanced as shown here:

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Irrelevant.

2. Naruto wasn't using Rikudou Senjutsu in that instance seeing as how Madara didn't comment on it until after his Shinju Absorption.

False.

3. Not only that, but Madara pinpointed Naruto's usage of Rikudou Senjutsu towards his Cloak's artstyle (the Tomoes) as he commented on Naruto's RSM as shown here:

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Whereas SM + KN0 Naruto had no such thing when he confronted Juubidara (Pre-Shinju).

Therefore, he did combine his BSM with his Rikudou Senjutsu.

Irrelevant. Madara not piecing together the puzzles means nothing when all other established facts disagree with everything that you are saying.

 

[Unorthodox]

Zero proof.

I gave you proof nerd.

False. Where did I say this? Not to mention that makes no sense. Sasuke never stalemated BSM Naruto w/ his own power. He matched BSM Kurama's speed and durability when he had Senjutsu.

You always say that because you think that susanoo he showed there would be equal to his normal perfect susanoo thus the reason why you believe his susanoo is far below Madara's in thats what you down scale it to but if your downscaling was correct His susanoo at VOTE would be faster than the Avatar yet its not.

Just a baseless assumption.

Yes but backed up with logical feats as i explained about Kurama and the naruto thing and especially with hagoromo yin in theory = the body what is the body your physical attributes and it would make since to be stronger.

Your example conflicts with your point. Base Minato>>Base Naruto, but KCM Naruto<=KCM Minato. Naruto has the Yang Chakra. Minato has the Yin Chakra. Minato received the smaller speed boost. Once again, he has the Yin chakra.

Except that it does not because the kurama that RSM naruto posses is the one Minato had a previously.