Five Hokages vs 8 Gates Gai

[Apêx1]

Hirudora from 8th Gate Gai should wipe out a huge portion of SS.

 

[solorflare99]

Hirudora from 8th Gate Gai should wipe out a huge portion of SS.

Hype and fanfic.

 

[Apêx1]

Hype and fanfic.

Are you suggesting 8th Gate Gai lacks the ability to do something 7th Gate Gai can do, albeit on a far greater level?

 

[solorflare99]

Are you suggesting 8th Gate Gai lacks the ability to do something 7th Gate Gai can do, albeit on a far greater level?

Are you suggesting something we have never seen before based of hype and your fanfic?
I guess now we can say guy in 7th gate can do Morning peacock, and instead of 1000 punches 10,000 punches and has the AoE of 2 Kilometers. Speculation gets you no where without proof. People speculated that giving Minato KCM or SM would make him fast beyond comprehension but it did close to nothing for him.

 

[Apêx1]

Are you suggesting something we have never seen before based of hype and your fanfic?
I guess now we can say guy in 7th gate can do Morning peacock, and instead of 1000 punches 10,000 punches and has the AoE of 2 Kilometers. Speculation gets you no where without proof. People speculated that giving Minato KCM or SM would make him fast beyond comprehension but it did close to nothing for him.

This retard.. :Lol
Morning peacock is merely punching so fast you create enough friction in the air to generate fireballs. Unless you think 8G Gai's punches are slower then they are in 6th Gate, you have no point here. He punches 100 times as fast at the VERY LEAST. So if he made 1000, he'll make a 100,000 within the same time frame. That's how it is. Speculation with implication is the reason people debate. I don't need a specific manga scan to prove this, it's pure logic that idiots like you lack. Minato's Shunshin was never extremely impressive in the first place, so it was unquantifiable from day 1. It was a baseless assumption. Give v2 Ay a KCM cloak and I guarantee you it will add a HUGE speed boost just like it did to everyone else who used one (Ino became faster then Naruto, Lee kicked Madara in half.

 

[solorflare99]

This retard.. :Lol
Morning peacock is merely punching so fast you create enough friction in the air to generate fireballs. Unless you think 8G Gai's punches are slower then they are in 6th Gate, you have no point here. He punches 100 times as fast at the VERY LEAST. So if he made 1000, he'll make a 100,000 within the same time frame. That's how it is. Speculation with implication is the reason people debate. I don't need a specific manga scan to prove this, it's pure logic that idiots like you lack. Minato's Shunshin was never extremely impressive in the first place.

Damn your salty. Must resort to salt when you have no evidence. I should have known you would gone with that morning peacock analogy. The point of it is not that it wouldn't increase but that the increase is unknown and can not be judge, thus not used in a debate. Sure you can imply, but I can just imply as well, you get no where when everyone just start using their own fanfic. That's the whole reason we stick to feats. Not only that we have seen people increase in power only to see the increase not be very impressive in the end.

@bold Why did you have to pull the plug on your credibility? Minato was called the Yellow Flash for a reason, sure he had FTG but he was also one of the fastest shunshin users in all of the Narutoverse. Please show me some feats of Naruto in base shunshin even being better than mediocre.

 

[Narutimate Storm]

Ino became faster then Naruto.

Jesus

 

[Apêx1]

Jesus

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@solarflare not gonna bother replying. I never quantified Hirudora, I simply said it'd take out a large portion of SS which is easily implicative to even a borderline retard.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Ino became faster then Naruto

Did you even read that panel before you decided to say that Ino is faster than Naruto? Because he's referring to how she used Shintenshin before Naruto could arrive and save Choji. Has nothing to do with any speed boost.

 

[Apêx1]

Did you even read that panel before you decided to say that Ino is faster than Naruto? Because he's referring to how she used Shintenshin before Naruto could arrive and save Choji. Has nothing to do with any speed boost.

Nah don't know the page, someone linked me it in an argument

 

[solorflare99]

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@solarflare not gonna bother replying. I never quantified Hirudora, I simply said it'd take out a large portion of SS which is easily implicative to even a borderline retard.

Yes of course. You are basically saying 8th gate guy can spam Hirudora on the same level that a full Kurama spams Bijuu Damas. That is quite the jump from what he is capable of in 7th Gate wont you say? Such a bold claim needs proof. Again we have seen people get stronger only to see the increase of their feats not be impressive. Are you just going to deny KCM minatos existence?

 

[Rozari]

Gai looses; Kages win

 

[Narutimate Storm]

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@solarflare not gonna bother replying. I never quantified Hirudora, I simply said it'd take out a large portion of SS which is easily implicative to even a borderline retard.

Maybe read whole page firs in order to understood what going on in that panel

 

[Beans2]

Lol at something weaker than EE taking out a large portion of SS. Night Gai is barely strong enough to destroy PS

 

[Rιver]

@Apex: Is there proof that the AoE is big enough to cover large portion (say over half), of SS?

 

[KeyofDestiny]

gai loses quite badly going by feats and/or powerscaling and hype.

how he loses by portrayal

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going by powerscaling and portrayal, 8th gate gai is several tens of times stronger than the gokage at the time based on kakashis statement. the definition of "several" is more 2 but not many.
that would make gai at least 30x the power of the gokage, but thats lowballing it.
the exact benchmark number that would quantify as "many" is rather subjective, but nobody in their right mind would get the impression that gai is 100x gokage or more from "several". "several" to a lot of people would be 5-6 which would translate to 50x-60x in this case.
this is according to the original japanese trans.

going by powerscaling and portrayal, madara stated that the gokage at the time are nothing to him

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when he utilizes his full power which hashirama can match without his own full power.

this would give a much bigger impact on the reader, because the author is making it seem like the gap between madara and the gokage cant even be quantified, although nobody should be saying that a direct comparison between the 8th gate and madara is being made here by the author because there clearly isnt.

their power hype simply shares a common basis, that being where their power stands in comparison to the gokage. it stands though that madaras full power garners a greater hype when compared to the 5 kage than gais 8th gate.

madara is clearly at the very least several tens of times stronger than the gokage when you compare their full power.

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the gokages full power cant even come close to the sheer size of PS, while PS is chopping up mountain ranges that are miles away after cutting through the mass of 2 meteorites all in one stroke of its blade.

now by powerscaling, all of PS, mokujin and 8th gate would fit in a category of at the very least being "several tens of times" greater than the gokage though madaras PS did garner greater hype when compared to the gokage than the 8th gate.

hashiramas mokujin can match the strength of PS(which garnered greater hype against the gokage than 8th gate gai) and hashirama possesses a level of power even beyond that.

its a level of power beyond the level of being "several tens of times" stronger than the gokage, a level beyond the one to which they are "nothing" compared to.

how he loses by feats

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based on feats, gai cannot even beat hashirama much less all of the hokage working together as one unit.

gai attempted to blitz ten tails madara and failed. to put it bluntly, madara reacted to evening elephants initial assault perfectly.
a failed blitz attempt cant constitute an argument for gai blitzing hashirama instantly. that leads you to ridiculous conclusions and by this logic, minato also blitzes hashirama since he attempted to blitz ten tails madara and failed.

there is also nothing pointing to evening elephant being capable of destroying the mokujin much less shinsuusenju which absolutely nobody should even be suggesting is possible.

evening elephant does possess the strength to break through a truthseeker, just like a bijudama+susano arrow, however it still couldnt "destroy" ten tails madara whom doesnt even come close to perfect susano/mokujin/shinsuusenjus durability by feats.

quite frankly, night gai is the only attack in gais arsenal that does any sort of wide scale destruction even resembling anything close to hashiramas scale(and you would really need to be reaching to draw any sort of comparison).

if hashirama summons shinsuusenju, the match ends nigh instantly. chojo kebetsu levels the whole battlefield and creates VOTE 2 with gai being reduced to pulp. night gai isnt doing anything to shinsuusenju, not when it didnt destroy ten tail madaras body even when he didnt put up any form of guard or protection.

in conclusion, there isnt anything implying that gai is so fast that hashirama cant at least react to gais blitz initially and gai has nothing that can destroy hashiramas full power mokuton nor match its power.

against hashirama alone, gai loses. against all the hokage, its laughably one sided.

Just how durable do you think Mokujin is?

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Hirudora from 8th Gate Gai should wipe out a huge portion of SS.

SS can be in the explosion of it's attack colliding with Madara's BD barrage and still come out intact, but with all it's arms destroyed. How in the world is Hirudora, regardless of it being 8G Gai, going to wipe out half of it?

 

[Unorthodox]

LMAO ?????? we got kidgamer on his alt ?????? ??????

 

[Unorthodox]

LMAO ? we got kidgamer on his alt ? ?

 

[TheSages456]

Just how durable do you think Mokujin is?

idk. its durable and strong enough to withstand the physical strength of PS. it existed in a destroyed state after 4 super juubi bijudamas similar to the bijudama tree that fired them, so evening elephant or night gai tearing it apart doesnt seem likely.