Proof Naruto doesn't have Uzumaki Stamina (manga evidence inside)

SenseiSama · Jul 19, 2015

I'm sorry but I stopped reading at the title. Naruto used Kurama's chakra beyond Kushina's capability and combined it with SAGE MODE. SM requires more stamina than bijuu control btw.

1. Within minutes of mastering SM, he gradually improved in a high pressure fight agains a Rinnegan wielder, his stamina was reaching Nagato's level by that point and keep in mind he was still barely 15 years old.

2. Clan members don't necessarily have the same level of traits, if you learned about genetics you would have realized that there's a thing called variety. Each member has a trait that they're better at than other members.

Nagato had the best stamina, Karin has the best life force, Tsunade had the best healing, Naruto had the best chakra control. Same goes for Uchiha, Sasuke had the best ninjutsu skill, Madara had the best chakra prowess, Itachi had the best Genjutsu talent.

Dantee · Jul 19, 2015

shadowcb said:
We only know 2 uzumaki that don't red hair and both have shown to be power with their own power. Yes, Naruto is one of them. I already proved you wrong about Naruto's uzumaki traits. Yamato told us Naruto was able to handle the 9 tails poisonous chakra because of his ability -
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- The fact you continue to ignore this fact proves he don’t care facts.

One of them is half senju and NAruto isn't one. Yamato knows nothing about the seal and that was after Jiraya and Kakashi deductions. No shit sherlock he can handle the Kyuubi because their chakra has been mixing for far to long that he should logically be able to handle it to some extent now. I never ignored it I've said the same thing a million times.

Naruto was not at 100% when 9 tails was extracted from the body. Naruto was fighting and training non-stop for over 48 hours prior to the extraction. Deny it all you want, but it's clear the war has taken a toll on Naruto's body -
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Bro Kurama restored his stamina plenty of times and so did others in the war. Sure it took a toll on his body but compared to what Kushina did when she was extracted you have no point here just an excuse that is really bad.

The manga stated Naruto only received a tiny bit of the 9 tails chakra -
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- It said a tiny bit not a tiny percentage. There is a difference. Since the manga wasn't talking about percent it doesn't matter how much charka the 9 tail has, what's important is the amount he received. That amount was only tiny bit. A tiny bit of the 9 tails chakra won't increase Naruto charka to a large amount because he only received a tiny bit. The frog never stated Naruto large chakra comes from 9 tails.

Okay but the nine tails chakra is massive are you denying that? A tiny bit can have a huge influence like Naruto has shown. You are pretty much admitting I'm right so if you disagree that a bit of the Kyuubis chakra isn't alot then go right ahead. You are being ignorant because you can't accept the fact Naruto needed Kurama to have high reserves and is the root of his stamina (Kakashi and Jirayas words)

Kin and Gin bros are irrelevant because the manga doesn't state how much they received. They ate the 9 tails chakra for 2 weeks. They could have been eating as much as they could.

Fair enough

The manga has never stated healing ability comes from the 9 tails, but has stated powerful life force is a uzumaki trait. It's fact tail beast chakra enhances power/jutsu/ability. Logic tell use his healing ability comes from his Uzumaki traits since the manga has never stated the 9 tails gave him that ability.

It has been stated multiple times. Do I really need to get scans of that for you? The only one with healing abilities was Karin, Naruto and Kushina didn't have those traits. This should be common sense really.

Only three people have mentioned Naurto receiving chakra from the 9 tails. Jiraya, Kakashi, and Frog scroll.

That's more than enough yet you still deny it? O lawd :lmao:

Jiraya never stated Naruto large chakra comes from 9 tails nor does he mention the amount of charka he receives. His statement doesn't support your claim that Naruto's large charka reserve comes from the 9 tails -
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Jirayass words: The seal is set up so the nine tails and kids chakra combines. :lmao:

Kakashi did state that Naruto's large chakra reserve comes from the 9 tails, but he has never showed us he has any knowledge of the uzumaki traits or the 4 element seal. During he chunin exam he assumed Naruto's healing abilty came from the 9 tails -
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- that can be easily determined by his statement "he's surprise by the 9 tails power". That proves he doesn't have knowledge of the 9 tails power. Kakashi statement does support your claim, but he is not a very liable source.

You still think Naruto healed himself there with his Uzumaki powers? =You are blantly denying what 3 people have said based on fallacy. Kakashi obviously knew about the seal that was in place on NAruto, how would he not know being a top jounin, sensei of NAruto, student of the 4th? Even if you want to run with this How does this debunk Jirayas statement and Pas statement that supports it. How many times has 9 tails chakra healed Naruto please stop.

Scroll frog stated stated Naruto only received a tiny bit of the 9 tails chakra -
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- This frog is part of seal he has given us the most information about the seal and jin. His statement doesn't support your claim that Naruto's large charka reserve comes from the 9 tails.

What should we believe? The obvious answer is the frog scroll statement. Why, because he has he is part of the seal. He has more knowledge about the seal and jin than Jiraya or kakashi. Beside, that statement was made in part 2. Kishi made a lot of changes in part 2 and clarified some misunderstandings. This one of them.

Pa was talking about sage mode in general. Clearly he couldn't say Naruto didn't have large reserves because obviously he did once Naruto and Kuramas began to mix. You debunked your own argument. Have a nice day.

Aznkidd · Jul 19, 2015

' ~ Dantee ~ ' said:
Valid argument even tho Kushina had child labor and Naruto had kuramas chakra. Debatable but What do you think about the rest of my OP, everyone keeps picking at this one scan when a hefty amount of my argument has to do with Kurama and Narutos power mixing.

A new baby born can take half kurama and still lives while the hokage level say it is PHYSICALLY impossible to take the WHOLE thing.
Now lets do the logical math. A hokage level cant take the whole Kurama while a new born baby can take half of it. A hokage level and fully grown up man vs a new baby born.

It wasnt like all of his chakra mixed together with all of Kurama right from the start, but it was leaking from time to time. And it wasnt benefict for Naruto at all, the chakra itself is being described as poison/hatred and will harm Naruto whenever it has chance. (A swing of one tail to Sakura and hurt her arm for a very long time despite of being healed and her self is medic).

Dantee · Jul 19, 2015

ComplexCity said:
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so salty keep posting kid :lmao:

Aznkidd said:
A new baby born can take half kurama and still lives while the hokage level say it is PHYSICALLY impossible to take the WHOLE thing.
Now lets do the logical math. A hokage level cant take the whole Kurama while a new born baby can take half of it. A hokage level and fully grown up man vs a new baby born.

It wasnt like all of his chakra mixed together with all of Kurama right from the start, but it was leaking from time to time. And it wasnt benefict for Naruto at all, the chakra itself is being described as poison/hatred and will harm Naruto whenever it has chance. (A swing of one tail to Sakura and hurt her arm for a very long time despite of being healed and her self is medic).

Bro lets use common sense 1st. Where does it say sealing the Kyuubi inside someone guarantees death? (no where).
How can baby Naruto logically have more chakra than a hokage (no logic whatsoever).
why would Minato seal the Kurama inside his child with there was a chance he could die instantly?

What is actually logical here. The two seals used obviously, Minato used death reaper seal, Naruto got the Kyuubi as well with the eight trigrams seal. It was designed differently than death reaper seal.
It was beneficial to his stamina and reserves which was my main point. Never said it didn't hinder him as wwell.

Dantee · Jul 19, 2015

SenseiSama said:
I'm sorry but I stopped reading at the title. Naruto used Kurama's chakra beyond Kushina's capability and combined it with SAGE MODE. SM requires more stamina than bijuu control btw.

1. Within minutes of mastering SM, he gradually improved in a high pressure fight agains a Rinnegan wielder, his stamina was reaching Nagato's level by that point and keep in mind he was still barely 15 years old.

2. Clan members don't necessarily have the same level of traits, if you learned about genetics you would have realized that there's a thing called variety. Each member has a trait that they're better at than other members.

Nagato had the best stamina, Karin has the best life force, Tsunade had the best healing, Naruto had the best chakra control. Same goes for Uchiha, Sasuke had the best ninjutsu skill, Madara had the best chakra prowess, Itachi had the best Genjutsu talent.

Only agreed with that last point. Read the bottom of the thread for more info.

TrollingSage · Jul 19, 2015

Kakashi or someone else also said for one to become a jinchuriki they need large chakra reserves to fully surpress the bijuus chakra. Stupid thread is stupid

Aznkidd · Jul 19, 2015

' ~ Dantee ~ ' said:
so salty keep posting kid

Bro lets use common sense 1st. Where does it say sealing the Kyuubi inside someone guarantees death? (no where).
How can baby Naruto logically have more chakra than a hokage (no logic whatsoever).
why would Minato seal the Kurama inside his child with there was a chance he could die instantly?

What is actually logical here. The two seals used obviously, Minato used death reaper seal, Naruto got the Kyuubi as well with the eight trigrams seal. It was designed differently than death reaper seal.
It was beneficial to his stamina and reserves which was my main point. Never said it didn't hinder him as wwell.

It was said impossible to have the whole thing as a well experienced/skilled Hokage point of view.
Since he cant seal it as a whole one. Now lets talk about logic here. If he can divide half of it other than reaper seal, why would he sacrificed him self then ? It was obivous the only way to divide Kurama into half by reaper seal. So it was also obivous that he cant seal the whole Kurama with eight trigam seal.

So in the end it still point out A full grown up body with hokage level vs a body of a new born baby, why ?
Because logically if a "normal" baby can take half Kyubii, when that "normal baby" grown up with much much much better body and million power than when it was just a baby, it should able to take not only half but many many other half, may be four or five kyubii. See if this goes by ur logic, it will ended up like that, illogic.

You can only go with a half uzumaki has half power of uzumaki gen able to take half of kyubii logic.

Pukkake Pokayo · Jul 19, 2015

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Dantee · Jul 19, 2015

TrollingSage said:
Kakashi or someone else also said for one to become a jinchuriki they need large chakra reserves to fully surpress the bijuus chakra. Stupid thread is stupid

It was never said. It was a highly presumed but never actually backed up. Kushina was a good fit for the nine tails because of her chakra chains. That was the only thing factual about her as a jin but that doesnt apply for all of them.

Aznkidd said:
It was said impossible to have the whole thing as a well experienced/skilled Hokage point of view.
Since he cant seal it as a whole one. Now lets talk about logic here. If he can divide half of it other than reaper seal, why would he sacrificed him self then ? It was obivous the only way to divide Kurama into half by reaper seal. So it was also obivous that he cant seal the whole Kurama with eight trigam seal.]

Even Kushina questioned why he used the death reaper seal. It's an obvious plot plot imo. No doubt he couldn't seal the whole Kurama only Kushina can do that with her chakra chains. Kurama had to be split into two I'm glad we agreed on that.

So in the end it still point out A full grown up body with hokage level vs a body of a new born baby, why ?
Because logically if a "normal" baby can take half Kyubii, when that "normal baby" grown up with much much much better body and million power than when it was just a baby, it should able to take not only half but many many other half, may be four or five kyubii. See if this goes by ur logic, it will ended up like that, illogic.

No that makes no sense because nothing supports the latter @ bold. How can baby naruto have stamina and a body on par with the hokage cmon mate that makes no sense. There is also nothing to support the reason people die have the Kyuubi sealed in them when it comes to body type. It all depends on the sealing method.

Bee notes his seal was weaker than Narutos and call his seal high quality. The Uzamakis were known for that as well.

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You can only go with a half uzumaki has half power of uzumaki gen able to take half of kyubii logic.

Not at all when Naruto is a baby his reserves should logically not be on par with the hokages. Nothing even remotely supports that and there is still the missing evidence when it comes to the misconception large reserves stamina = suitable jinchurki

atharvg75 · Jul 19, 2015

You are talking like jealous sasuke fan . But sorry there is a manga fact too that when sasuke stole all naruto's chakra and the kurama's too , naruto hit back sasuke and in the end sasuke got lose too . Don't forget naruto fights much longer than sasuke in shinobi war in which many times he doesn't have kurama's chakra .

And yeah in the end he defeats sasuke with his own reserve after which sasuke got defeat ( on the same he got option of sage mode too but he uses his own reserve )